I recall and appreciated the support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Quarantining the sick make WAY more sense than quarantining the healthy, which is what a lock down is.
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I recall and appreciated the support.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Quarantining the sick make WAY more sense than quarantining the healthy, which is what a lock down is.
I sure hope your right. I read some of the results of the trials and see that too, but why wouldn't Fauchi be more bullish? Also if our vaccines are this close, why did Russia's vaccine claim get so quickly dismissed as fake? These things make my "bullshit detector" go off. I just can't decide where the bullshit is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
I would have to search the timeline for Fauci’s quotes so I could be wrong, but I believe he used the term “widespread” vaccine earlier. Recently I saw him say early 2021, so I imagine he is updating the timeline as more data comes in. Always better to err on side of later with drugs and vaccines of course...Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Regarding Russia, there would be raised eyebrows for anyone with a vaccine this early, and because it’s Russia it creates a shitstorm of skepticism. Perhaps it is a safe and effective vaccine, but it is innately impossible to go through that process in a few months.
More fear porn: CBS reports "third wave", with cases surging in the midwest and west. The only statistic cited was South Dakota daily totals increasing 58%. OK, I can buy that, but some context would have been nice. The highest daily total cases is 145. South Dakota's population is 882,000 - 0.016%. Yawn.
Obviously a poor example with 10.7 people per square mile.
They don't like Kristi Noem. That's why they chose them as a "bad" example of how to handle covid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Are you referring to the future first female president of the USA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Hey libs - if quarantines and masks are so important, why this:
"New York Governor Andrew Cuomo (D) announced he would allow rock stars and celebrities to bypass the state’s mandatory 14-day quarantine so that they can perform at the MTV Video Music Awards next week."
Also, just asking, do any of you wear goggles? Saint Fauci recommended them - don't you guys do everything he says??
https://i.imgflip.com/49advv.jpg
More examples of authoritarian government:
Premier extends Victoria's State of Emergency to 18 MONTHS
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Premier Daniel Andrews has extended Victoria’s State of Emergency beyond September 13 - for what will effectively be a total period of 18 months.
The State of Emergency provides the Chief Health Officer with additional powers to issue directions to help contain the spread of coronavirus and keep Victorians safe, according to the DHHS.
Under current legislation, each State of Emergency can operate for only six months at a time.
https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/healt...nths-c-1260869Quote:
“We will extend the State of Emergency provisions within the Public Health and Wellbeing act for a maximum of a further 12 months.”
Since March, the State of Emergency has been extended six times.
15 days to flatten the curve...
And more "false positives" (can't we just say WRONG?). And will those numbers be removed from the new "cases"?
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-teams-c...140204758.html
The longer this goes on, the more my Bullshit Detector is going off.
This is the first illness in my lifetime where you aren't sick, but "sick".
It'll magically be all over the day after the election.
I found this interesting, talking about evidence for aerosolized transmission, things to do to potentially adjust and decrease transmission.
https://time.com/5883081/covid-19-transmitted-aerosols/
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We should continue doing what has already been recommended: wash hands, keep six feet apart, and so on. But that is not enough. A new, consistent and logical set of recommendations must emerge to reduce aerosol transmission. I propose the following: Avoid Crowding, Indoors, low Ventilation, Close proximity, long Duration, Unmasked, Talking/singing/Yelling (“A CIViC DUTY”). These are the important factors in mathematical models of aerosol transmission, and can also be simply understood as factors that impact how much “smoke” we would inhale.
A CIViC DUTY first suggests that we should do as many activities as possible outdoors, as schools did to avoid the spread of tuberculosis a century ago, despite harsh winters. Given how much being outside reduces COVID-19 transmission risk, it is mind boggling that the U.S. National Guard is not busy setting up open canopy tents at every school around the country.
566 new cases at UA in addition to the 310 they had before classes began.
The more I've watched patterns of spread, the more it seems transmission is not just important, but the key mechanism for spread. But again, masks are completely ineffective against aerosols - this has been proven and is well documented by scientific studies. This is playing out in reality around the globe. Follow the science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Mostly asymptomatic and a few dozen students with a cold. Yawn.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
As long as we're talking about "revisionist science", how about what Fauchi said back in late January.
A CIVIC DUTY?!? Ugh, can a sick person just cough on me already so I can sit in my basement for two weeks and then forget about all this?
I’ve read several studies that show masks to be effective with aerosols. But the real answer is “it depends”... on material, fit, etc.
Why did Fauci day in January? It’s 48 minutes long...
I don't know when that interview occurred, but based on the graphic under that doctor, 45,000 more people have died since it was filmed.
And do you know what is the median age of the people who have died from Covid-19?Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/c....htm#AgeAndSex
That's why it's stupid to close schools, cancel sports, etc. If you're young, there is virtually no risk.
Keep the elderly safe and let everyone else go about their lives.
Sorry, it starts at minute 44. He said very emphatically, and I roughly quote: "In all the history of respiratory-borne illness of any type, the asymptomatic transmission is never a driver for major outbreaks. The driver of outbreaks is always a symptomatic person.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
I have argued on this thread that there should be enough data on covid and the demographics of who is getting sick and what they did that caused the infection that publication of such information would be extraordinarily helpful to each of us trying to decide the risk level each of us faces at various activities. Such a calculation is critical for making good decisions as to what each of us might choose to do weighing benefits and costs. An economist at Brown, Emily Oster, is advocating doing just that, and is working to get such a database available. Emily is an extraordinary economist, and one whose work I have followed ever since she wrote her doctoral dissertation at Harvard on why standard AIDS policy recommendations make no sense when it comes to much of Africa. I predict that she will win the Nobel Prize in economics some day.
Here is the link: http://https://www.washingtonpost.co...ge%2Fstory-ans.
Your link is broken. Maybe one too many http/https?
Is he now saying asymptomatic people are the main drivers of outbreaks? Even if he is, there is a first time for everything. I’m not sure asymptomatic people are the main drivers of outbreaks in this though either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Edit: here is a study that approximated half of cases due to asymptomatic and presymptomatic people. Probably not constitutes as THE driver for outbreaks but A driver of outbreaks.
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Our results indicate that silent disease transmission during the presymptomatic and asymptomatic stages are responsible for more than 50% of the overall attack rate in COVID-19 outbreaks. Furthermore, such silent transmission alone can sustain outbreaks even if all symptomatic cases are immediately isolated.
Yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Turns out the answer was shit all along:
https://www.kold.com/2020/08/27/wast...cases-ua-dorm/
In all seriousness hopefully this idea works and can be implemented at more colleges.
For those that are interested in epidemiology, virology, prevention of the thing, here's a great link: UpToDate: COVID 19, this is the link for clinicians, but what UpToDate is basically is a database that compiles the most recent information and makes it basically like a Wikipedia page with it's sources pulled from medical research journals. It's a quick way to make sure you're well.. up to date on something, it's pretty beneficial in practice when you see a zebra every now and then. They made the COVID information completely free, and it'll be quicker to reference stuff for you guys about respiratory droplet transmission/how long it survives on surfaces/etc.
And if anybody wants the patient/societal information, here's a link to where you can scroll through and click on the particular question you may have, absent of all of the fun whacky medical words we like to throw in. Society guideline links: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Resources for patients
"The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) website disclosed the shockingly small number of people who died from only the Wuhan coronavirus, with no other cause of death mentioned. Hold on to your hat because here it is: out of the 161,392 deaths in the CDC data, just six percent, about 9,700 deaths, were attributed to the coronavirus alone. According to the CDC, the other 94 percent had an average of 2.6 additional conditions or causes of deaths, such as heart disease, diabetes, and sepsis."
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronso...virus-n2575306
Astonishing the leaders of this country would wreck the economy, people's livelihoods, mental health, etc. because of this virus, but they sure did, and continue to do do.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
Just incredible..............and don't hold your breath waiting for the drive-by media to report this.Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor
How bizarre that you, and our "dear leader", make such a claim. It's false (see link:https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/30/polit...ump/index.html ), and Trump's retweets on this have been taken down.Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor
Under this line of reasoning, the true covid death rate is 0 because we all are going to die eventually anyway so the fact that covid merely hastens us to death doesn't mean it "caused" the death.
You, Murray87, and XU_Lou need to back away from all the QAnon conspiracy garbage.
Teue..I think what this does say though is that if you are a healthy individual and you get covid, chances are extremely strong that you will be fine...if you are not healthy, chances are you are going to be in trouble if you get covid. Based off of that, I think the country really effed up in the way they handled this disease and I'm not blaming one side or the other...blaming everyone involvedQuote:
Originally Posted by X-man
The new task force advisor is recommending the herd immunity route.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...392_story.html
I agree with this statement. But keep in mind how little we knew in the beginning about covid's lethality. In the face of that ignorance, the lockdown made total sense IMHO, and I totally supported Gov. DeWine's actions here in Ohio. As we learn more, it makes sense to reopen, as we are doing. But also keep in mind that there is still a lot we don't know about covid's long-term effects. And so I believe that it still makes sense to proceed slowly with reopening. And if the economic recovery is as fast as Trump says it will be, then the economic costs of shutting down and gradually reopening will be less than everyone has feared.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xville
True. I completely disagree with trump on this though...the economic recovery is going to be slow ( just in louisville 300 small businesses have closed since march, of course not all covid related but still) and the mental and emotional damage that this has done is ever increasing in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-man
It's not just the economy. Look at how suicide rates have skyrocketed ever since the lockdowns began. Cancer screenings are way down over the same period which means people are going to get diagnosed at later stages of cancer. Sexual abuse cases in the home are up. But on the economy, lockdowns have destroyed countless numbers of small businesses, and ruined a lot of lives.Quote:
Originally Posted by X-man
This is the first pandemic where the healthy have been quarantined. It makes no sense to lock down healthy individuals. Yes, quarantine the sick. Quarantine the elderly. But why quarantine healthy people?
Sadly, because of the botched testing in this country, we have very little idea as to who is healthy and who is sick.Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor
But wait...people were going to die anyway. So the lockdown didn't cause these problems!Quote:
Originally Posted by X Factor