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MLB wanted to. The players said no.
The only players that have agreed to a bubble are those in a short window involving a knockout tournament (So more and more athletes get to leave every week). I don’t blame athletes for refusing to relocate and live in a bubble for several months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
MLB would’ve been about 4 months from ‘summer camp’ to the World Series. The football season is over 5 months. I’ll add that the logistics of 15 baseball games every day is different from even the NBA where I think they are limiting it to 2 courts.
MLS has also successfully kept their bubble intact after sending Nashville and Dallas home at the start.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Yea I think they could have made it work in 4-5 bubbles. If a bubble doesn’t work for you or your family, then opt out. Is there any way the MLB season is completed with this current setup?
I would bet that yes, the season will be completed. It probably won't be the only time that a team misses a week of games but I think the full MLB season will be played.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Speaking further to the pointlessness of PCR tests to determine when someone is COVID-free:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....25.20162107v1
No one studied was found to have live COVID-19 virus after 9 days from infection, yet they still were shedding viral RNA up to 83 days after infection.
For some evidence of this, google Juan Soto COVID and you'll see a guy going insane from ridiculous test results.
Yes it’s a ridiculous policy seemingly put in place for no good reason. Trying to be “extra cautious” can sometimes backfire. The CDC recommendations do not support testing until negative for that reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
I'm still confused by the whole 'testing' thing with regards to how and when to get tested, as well as when somebody is 'clear' of COVID if they had it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
For example: My son (6yrs old) currently has a fever. This being the age of COVID we immediately called his Doctor and expected them to tell us to have him tested. The told us not to have him tested unless (1) his fever persists for 72 hours, or (2) he develops other symptoms indicative of COVID. I guess based on the low case incidence for my area it's much more likely that he does not have COVID, but I'm still surprised that they didn't want to test and potentially contact trace more proactively.
We are treating it as though he has COVID (all quarantining) and we have informed our neighbors that we have interacted with that he has a fever, but we don't think he has COVID at this point. The Doctor said that if he gets better we are fine to go back to normal 24 hours after the fever breaks. We will probably give it a lot more time.
I'm not sure how he got sick at all (COVID or not) as we have been pretty careful and he hasn't interacted with anyone outside of outdoors at our neighborhood pool. School is going to be a nightmare this year.
The approach with children is slightly different than adults for a few reasons. Children tend to get fevers more than adults in general, and if all children with a fever were tested it would be a slight burden to resources. From the disease-control side of things it would be ideal to have a home test for your family to do the next couple days, which would be more likely to reveal a positive test in a small cohort like a family. That would obviously be an incredibly costly thing to implement. Hope your son is ok btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
The article MID referenced has some good info on how long people are contagious. The CDC has recommendation based on similar data.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...isolation.html
https://twitter.com/govmikedewine/st...917575173?s=21
So the Ohio Board of Pharmacy restricts use for HCQ in treating COVID. The Governor recommends otherwise... should be interesting. I tend to agree with the Governor on this unless there is a shortage of HCQ, or overwhelming evidence of hoarding/poor prescribing. For instance, dentists prescribing this for their families is not appropriate but has happened on more than a few occasions.
Thanks. He seems to be feeling a bit better today (about 36hrs after first fever) and so far nobody else has gotten sick, but I would be lying if I didn't say it has been a bit stressful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
I just talked to a co-worker who lives in another part of the State and she was able to get a rapid test with no referral that results came back in 15 minutes for. Another neighbor took 5 days to get results. The variability in testing is insane.
A buddy has a 26 year old son living with them for now outside of Atlanta. He developed all kinds of scary issues and after 2 weeks got in for a test. He’s finally feeling better, but after 10 days he still has no test results.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Best wishes to you and the family!
We need to lock down to flatten the curve!
https://twitter.com/boriquagato/stat...814658/photo/1
And the only way to stop COVID is to stay locked down!
https://twitter.com/boriquagato/stat...937152/photo/1
Or maybe not.
As a young American, I struggle with the notion that everything has to be political. It’s like you are either a republican or Democrat. A conservative or a liberal. Shouldn’t we be American though? Shouldn’t we be independents that hold all parties accountable for their actions? The things these politicians get away with is just mind blowing. I would lose my job immediately if I acted/said some of the things they do on a regular basis. There really needs to be more accountability for the ways these elected officials act as their salaries come from taxpayer money.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Yes let’s compare NYC to Sweden to see if lockdowns work! I think we have ample evidence that “lockdowns” work here. We can’t be socially distant without them as a culture. Other cultures can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
Yeah. If you look at the overwhelming majority of Western Europe and how they are faring relative to the US it's stark and unflattering. Europe has much higher population density than we do and yet they have managed to contain COVID thus far. The most attributable differences being a more universal lockdown coupled with widespread mask wearing. Some relatively minor changes a while ago, for a short time, would have placed us in a dramatically better spot than we are in now. Instead we argued about masks and people took to the aisles of their local Costco to have a showdown over the 'right' to be a moron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
Asia is another example of an area with insanely high population density that has fared relatively well since the initial outbreak on Wuhan.
The Northeast US is another example frankly. They (we) still have relatively few new cases because we all locked down and have been universally wearing masks indoors since.
It might be as simple as an actual 'real' lockdown for 2-3 weeks followed by universal masks and extensive testing and contact tracing.
I see you're in Cherry Hill. Things are obviously more open now, but what more could've been locked down in Philadelphia for the month of April? Should we be closing grocery stores too?Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
Nothing. I think that they did the right things and fared pretty well for a large city. The rest of Pennsylvania and surrounding suburbs have seen a second wave, but Philly is still doing pretty well, I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by XU '11
You're confusing "political" and "partisan". If you replace "partisan" with "political", you're exactly right. I agree it's sad that everything is partisan, but then I hate both parties equally. Political means pertaining to public policy. So yeah, response to COVID is and always be political.Quote:
Originally Posted by xuphan
This has been covered. We have ample evidence that lockdowns work... if your goal is to destroy peoples lives. But if you're trying to stop the spread of a disease, not so much:
https://mobile.twitter.com/kylamb8/s...78514950459393
There may be some large urban v. rural skewing going on with those state comparisons.
Just a thought.
Also, that tweet is from May 16th. That's 2 1/2 months ago. I suspect things may have changed.
May 16 was at or near the end of lockdowns, after which this comparison can no longer be made. That's the final score.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Your source is a 2 month old post on a twitter feed?Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
That is not accurate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
For example: In New Jersey we have fluctuated between 3 and 5 new cases per 100K residents for a while now. We were nowhere near open on May 15th. We are just recently getting close to completely open, but still have restrictions on indoor dining, bars, and gyms. We are also wearing masks. I think that the masks might actually be doing more than the lockdowns, but it's hard to separate the two.
The response by Ohio Board of Pharmacy:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
“As a result of the feedback received by the medical and patient community and at the request of Governor DeWine, the State of Ohio Board of Pharmacy has withdrawn proposed rule 4729:5-5-21 of the Administrative Code. Therefore, prohibitions on the prescribing of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine in Ohio for the treatment of COVID-19 will not take effect at this time.”
I just checked one state. As far as I can tell, Florida
Shut Down April 1st
Began Reopening on May 18th.
By my calculation, that is 48 days.
Yet they're grouped in this guy's figures as a state between 20-37 days.
Trying to compare areas with a large variance of population density and urbanization is not going to get you far in discovering facts. There are too many variables and timeline shifts to know what’s true on May 16.Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton
And not to mention, look at their stats since ELIMINATING lockdowns.... it’s not good.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulxu
Saw that. Looks like there’re going to let doctors be doctors while gathering more information for themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
IMO, the Ohio Board of Pharmacy is trying to over extend their role...again. They do play an important function just wish they would stick to it.
I remember when they mandated a TDDD (Terminal Distributer License) for doctor offices who sampled insulin (nice revenue source for the board). They made a decision that insulin was to be classified as a dangerous drug. Yes it can be, but think you can say that about any drug. So a dr who prescribes insulin now needs a license to give them a sample? Of course a patient can just go to Walmart’s drive thru without a discussion with the pharmacist and get it without a doctors prescription or knowledge. Bazaar.
Yes unless there is a shortage of a medication I don’t agree with the initial mandate either.Quote:
Originally Posted by noteggs
Didn’t all states eliminate lockdowns? I mean no one still has a stay at home order, correct? The states that got crushed early are down now. And also since reopening, death rates are way down. Isn’t it a good thing to have more cases, but less deaths and build up some immunity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
My source is a detailed statistical analysis done at the end of the lockdowns. You know, the period in question.Quote:
Originally Posted by boozehound
These points and more were addressed in questions posed on the Twitter feed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
As long as I’m curing the selective amnesia some of you have about what a miserable failure the lockdowns were, here’s another oldie but goodie:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/gracemarieturner/2020/05/22/600-physicians-say-lockdowns-are-a-mass-casualty-incident/
And while I’m at it, here’s another reminder of what an idiot DeWine is, sadly this one isn’t months old but I wish it we’re:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.10t...e-85ea1071dfc1
Brilliant. We all know studies have proven that COVID is most active after 10:00 pm and it loves to frequent sports bars.
The only “second wave” we’re getting is a second lockdown.
Herman Cain would be proud...ohhQuote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Australia, which I have been told did it right because they completely locked down, are experiencing a second wave.
https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/...958649346?s=20
Wait....u mean to tell me the virus doesnt just disappear after a lockdown? These moron governors thought otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Juice
Yea and pretty much everywhere went up after reopening. More cases are probably not a good thing as we really don’t know the long term effects of this. There is a lot of data suggesting long term organ damage. It might be temporary but we just don’t know. You want that risk? Have at itQuote:
Originally Posted by xavierj
Yes I’ll be sure to sift through 800 replies on twitter. Population/urbanization is a major focal point of spreading. Right or wrong on long term benefit (which is a different discussion), lockdowns contained the disease from spreadingQuote:
Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton