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Originally Posted by Xville

Well, let me rephrase a bit...had McCain not chosen an effing moron for a running mate, I think he would have stood a very good chance at winning the presidency. If he had, yes I believe it would have quelled some of the polarity.

Obama had a chance to quell some of this polarity, but I think in the latter years of his presidency, he caused an even greater divide thru what i stated earlier.

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Sarah Palin or not, he was not making up 96 electoral votes and 7 points in the final vote. McCain got rolled, all Palin did was distract voters from McCain's previous issues.

I do my best and vote for the best candidates. Often times in Az, they aren't Democrat. Dems tend to send out pretty crappy candidates here as people just don't vote for them. The Senate vote is interesting here. Sinema is a right leaning Democrat. She votes conservative 60% of the time. She could actually win, but it depends who makes it out of the other primary.

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Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

I do my best and vote for the best candidates.

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I hope you never voted for John Kyl, then. He was the worst.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

I hope you never voted for John Kyl, then. He was the worst.

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Never McCain (Keating 5), and certainly never Kyle. The opposing candidates were almost always the worst of the worst they could toss out. Sinema could actually be a decent centrist senator. The Pubs are Ward and McSally, both are hardcore Trump republicans. Arpaio is in there, but I have heard from some insiders he is building a campaign coffer to live on. He isn't a serious candidate.

To XVille, if Trump directed Cohen to pay off the Playmate and pornstar for the purpose of influencing the election then yes it's a violation and a crime. With Cohen's penchant for recording phone calls, I wonder if he has one of Trump stating exactly that.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Well, let me rephrase a bit...had McCain not chosen an effing moron for a running mate, I think he would have stood a very good chance at winning the presidency. If he had, yes I believe it would have quelled some of the polarity.

Obama had a chance to quell some of this polarity, but I think in the latter years of his presidency, he caused an even greater divide thru what i stated earlier.

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It was pretty well established back in 2008 that McCain had Sarah Palin pushed on him by the neo-con crowd (yes, Bill Kristol) who had the hots for Ms. Palin. McCain was basically told that unless he "chose" Palin, there would be a disastrous floor fight at the Republican Convention that itself would have doomed McCain's candidacy. So McCain got rolled by the pro-Palin crowd, the same group that now comprises much of the never Trump group. How ironic.

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Originally Posted by X-man

It was pretty well established back in 2008 that McCain had Sarah Palin pushed on him by the neo-con crowd (yes, Bill Kristol) who had the hots for Ms. Palin. McCain was basically told that unless he "chose" Palin, there would be a disastrous floor fight at the Republican Convention that itself would have doomed McCain's candidacy. So McCain got rolled by the pro-Palin crowd, the same group that now comprises much of the never Trump group. How ironic.

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Pretty well established? By who? Huffington Post? Where do you come up with this stuff?

But to help you out, Kristol did push for Palin. He didn't threaten a floor fight over her pick "that would have doomed McCain's candidacy". In short, Palin wasn't "forced" upon McCain.

The alleged threatened floor fight was if he picked Joe Lieberman as his VP. The floor fight would have been over Lieberman as VP, not naming some other Republican Presidential candidate.

Does anyone actually believe had McCain not chosen Palin he would have won? Obama was a once in a century candidate for the Democratic Party. Candidates who run because it's "their turn" never win. See: literally every single one.

He picked Palin as a Hail Mary. He was way behind, and she was a chance for him to get a nice bump, which he did when she was announced. Then Katie Couric interviewed her, and Obama went to the tailor to get fitted for his inauguration suit.

The Dems would have been a lot better off using your "their turn" policy though. You'd have had 8 years of Hillary followed by 8 years of Obama if Obama hadn't cut in front of Hillary. He probably would have been a better President with 8 more years of seasoning, too.

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Originally Posted by Caf

Does anyone actually believe had McCain not chosen Palin he would have won? Obama was a once in a century candidate for the Democratic Party. Candidates who run because it's "their turn" never win. See: literally every single one.

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Who knows if polls were correct but before the economic bailout and choosing Palin, McCain was neck and neck with Obama and was even ahead in some polls.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

He picked Palin as a Hail Mary. He was way behind, and she was a chance for him to get a nice bump, which he did when she was announced. Then Katie Couric interviewed her, and Obama went to the tailor to get fitted for his inauguration suit.

The Dems would have been a lot better off using your "their turn" policy though. You'd have had 8 years of Hillary followed by 8 years of Obama if Obama hadn't cut in front of Hillary. He probably would have been a better President with 8 more years of seasoning, too.

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Well, you were on a roll until you lobbed in that sentence. Then again, he could have only gotten better, since he was otherwise an abject failure when he was in office. The consummate politician: big smile, empty suit, teleprompter king, and form over substance with no guts.

Hey, 'dash, "better" is relative. :)