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If you think the NCAA is bad, they are nothing compared to the FDA and other gov't bureaucracies tying the hands of medicine and doctors. This a letter from the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons to Pres. Trump. This is a pretty eye-opening read: https://aapsonline.org/aaps-letter-t...march-21-2020/
Of course he will not and virus will not be gone. Not sure it’s such a bad thing to look at the data after 15 days to see how we should proceed. Not sure Trump was expecting your vote in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by xubrew
Not exactly the unbiased or objective source their name would have you think: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/th...ers-2016-12-01Quote:
Originally Posted by XU_Lou
So what?? Don't attack the group for their political beliefs - are you going to argue against any of the points they made??Quote:
Originally Posted by STL_XUfan
True. There are also plenty of flu cases that go unreported every year that would drive the flu number down as well. I’d be curious to know how many unreported cases of flu they think there are every year.Quote:
Originally Posted by bjf123
Reported number times 50
That’s why they normally do an estimated report and there’s a broad range.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
Another way to put this is ‘TRUMP INSISTS ON SCRATCHING THE POISON IVY WHILE IGNORING ALL MEDICAL EVIDENCE AND COMMON SENSE THAT DOING SO WILL MAKE IT WORSE AND MAKE IT LAST LONGER.’
https://apple.news/A8ptd3lE_QcyVttgkq6ZseQ
Liberty U. is getting things back up and running. That's.....probably not the right strategy.
Meantime, India has declared a total lockdown of their country for the next 21 days. No leaving home for any reason according to Modi (which can't be quite right since people have to eat).
Our new, state wide restriction is for groups of more than 3. (Assuming [?] it might not be that for a family).
Governor has asked law enforcement to break up any groups of more than 3.
Will they stop cars with 4 people in them?
This will keep those kids off the street corners like in the old days.
New York state needs 30,000 ventilators, the federal government sent 400. Wait to this thing spreads out more... yikes.
Ohio official numbers 3/24:
564 confirmed cases
49 counties (out of 88)
145 hospitalizations
8 deaths
I'm feeling completely unrealistically optimistic that this is not going to be as bad in the rest of the country as it is in California, Washington and NY.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
I wish I felt the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
I think it’s reasonable to think that this is where it will be the worst, and everywhere else should be better. Early social distancing seems to be working here too...Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Keep in mind, I've been drinking a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by xubrew
I'm really hoping.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
My concern is that those areas have more resources to deal with it then more rural areas. So while it will spread easier in NY due to population density, I have to imagine a rural hospital in Missouri would also be overwhelmed fairly quickly if there is any spread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun
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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z
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Originally Posted by GoMuskies
Ok, again. Not being a sarcastic smart-ass but just questioning.Quote:
Originally Posted by xubrew
We are almost halfway through the original 15 day “analyzation/stop” period. In Ohio, there have been 145 total Hospitalizations. I myself am now 13 days removed from New York City & me and all my group who went feel just fine with zero symptoms.
What did the “models” predict for this at this point and when are the hospitals going to be overrun?
And it’s not like Ohio is all rural. We have 3 major league cities and 2 other good size ones with 11.7 million people. dayton doesn’t qualify.
Genuinely curious, are you suggesting that NYC hospitals are not overrun right now? Or is this pertaining to Ohio
I too have been counting on the virus to be killed by alcohol. It’s been my plan all along......Quote:
Originally Posted by GoMuskies
I don't know. How many are hospitalized in New York, vs what the "models" predicted? And what about Ohio and every other state other than New York, New Jersey and California that have had less than 2,500 total cases? That includes all the mild symptom cases. Even Washington state that was allegedly the "hotbed' of this disease 2 weeks ago only has 2,221 total cases out of a total population of 7.8 million. And they have been at the forefront of testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by SemajParlor
Edit In: As of today, New York STATE has a total of 2,657 hospitalized cases of COVID. There are 53,000 hospital beds in New York CITY alone. Now, I know that there are numerous other diseases that have to be treated, but what number "overwhelms" the system? Even Cuomo today said that he thought that the cases in New York were "spiking" now. That would indicate that they believe that they'll start declining soon.
And tell us what the "models" were predicting rather than just fear-mongering "explosive growth". Right now in the total US only .0001398%, yeah that's one ten-thousandth of the population that has a case. And we're shutting the whole country down and discussing $2 Trillion bail outs while the media raves on.
Add edit. And please do not talk to me about Italy. I posted an accurate, unbiased article that describes why Italy is affected so much. Call it racist of you will, but there are 300,000 Chinese workers that go back and forth from the Wuhan area of China to work in the garment industry in Northern Italy for Prada and Gucci. That is why Italy is unique.
Taking your temp when you only have a meat thermometer doesn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by xu82
Again, due to major testing constraints for reasons nobody knows, actual numbers of cases reported is drastically diminished. I have a good friend who works in the ED in NYC and it sounds like a complete shit show... Ohio is doing a decent job at containing...
Wichita goes shelter in place starting tomorrow. Woo hoo! Just 30 days, though.
Fuck.
MOR: With all due respect, your argument would be right on point if we had accurate statistics. The problem right now is that there are not enough tests available for COVID-19 and people are being sent back to their homes without being tested. Also, the people being tested is because they had symptoms. Symptoms can arise up to 14 days after being infected. So that is up to 14 days of hanging around and infecting family and others. In short, at this time the statistics are not trustworthy. And it is not only Italy and China. Spain is also having a nightmare. Last night I was reading an article about COVID-19 in Russia. The problem Russia is having is that they are not showing many cases because of the lack of testing and the time is taking to get the lab results. Apparently they only have one lab that can perform the test for the whole country. I still can't believe that but that is what the article said.
One thing that I have found helpful is to listen to the interviews of the doctors treating the covid patients. There are a bunch of interviews and recommendations from all over the world. All of the ones I have read/listen/view recommend to stay at home to prevent further spread. Right now, avoiding the virus (and praying) is your best weapon in this war. Until the medical industry can come up with a better answer that is what I am doing.
One more thing, in several markets there are a shortage of masks, gloves and/or antibacterial soap, hand sanitizer, wipes, etc. So keeping businesses open will mean many workers will be working without one or more of those essential articles and/or at a work space that is not properly clean. In my book, that would be too much risk and would not be right. But that is just me.
MOR: With all due respect, your argument would be right on point if we had accurate statistics. The problem right now is that there are not enough tests available for COVID-19 and people are being sent back to their homes without being tested. Also, the people being tested is because they had symptoms. Symptoms can arise up to 14 days after being infected. So that is up to 14 days of hanging around and infecting family and others. In short, at this time the statistics are not trustworthy. And it is not only Italy and China. Spain is also having a nightmare. Last night I was reading an article about COVID-19 in Russia. The problem Russia is having is that they are not showing many cases because of the lack of testing and the time is taking to get the lab results. Apparently they only have one lab that can perform the test for the whole country. I still can't believe that but that is what the article said.
One thing that I have found helpful is to listen to the interviews of the doctors treating the covid patients. There are a bunch of interviews and recommendations from all over the world. All of the ones I have read/listen/view recommend to stay at home to prevent further spread. Right now, avoiding the virus (and praying) is your best weapon in this war. Until the medical industry can come up with a better answer that is what I am doing.
One more thing, in several markets there are a shortage of masks, gloves and/or antibacterial soap, hand sanitizer, wipes, etc. So keeping businesses open will mean many workers will be working without one or more of those essential articles and/or at a work space that is not properly clean. In my book, that would be too much risk and would not be right. But that is just me.
Hey. I'm not advocating reopening things now. I would just like to see the Modeling projections, not just the fear mongering media throwing "exponential" numbers out there.
And some of the testing decisions are being made by the same medical professionals that say if you don't have any symptoms, don't get tested.
Point being. The "experts" who are saying that we're gonna be under these restrictions for Months more, are just as irresponsible and those that want to just throw open the doors. Yeah, we're not through this yet, but so far the hype exceeds the reality.
But there are papers to sell and ratings to get, ya know.
If there were enough tests everyone with symptoms or contact would be tested. That’s not the case so those with mild symptoms that are low risk are not being tested. They may however be spreading the virus, which again stresses the importance of widespread testing to squash this thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
Got you man. Traditional Media is not helping and social media is much worst. We have to really discern who are we reading/following. Unfortunately, this is one of those situations that there is no clear correct answer. Educated guesstimate is the best we can do. I dislike all politicians but we have to admit this is a difficult situation for them and all of us. Stay healthy.
One issue to ponder is this: the 3 hotspots of this disease are NY, Cali, and Wash St. What if the hot spots were Montana, Idaho and Alabama ? I'm guessing most businesses would be open, and the quarantine would be limited to those 3 states. But, the media is headquartered in NYC, and anything that happens there becomes of utmost importance to the entire country. A good portion of Nashville was leveled by a tornado a couple weeks ago. It was news for 3 days. People in NY get Corona , and all the news shows are calling for a total lockdown of the entire country. Aside from 3 states, this is not Armageddon, it just isn't. This isolation has to end by Easter at the latest, for the rest of the country. We need to go back to work. We can't do this every time there's a new virus.
Wichita, Kansas is locked down for 30 days starting tomorrow. That gets us well past Easter. And we're geographically as far away from NY, WA and CA as you can get.
But get past that 30 days.....and it's going to get bad. I don't think you'll keep people away from each other and businesses for much longer after that.
Funny, my meat thermometer died last weekend. I put digital thermometer on the list and since I do 99.9% of the shopping, that seemed adequate. Well, Mrs ‘82 got cabin fever so I can now check my temp in a variety of orifices, but I’m still guessing at the grill.Quote:
Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee
Side note: I don’t remember ever wanting to go out to eat more than I do these days. The little things....
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I don’t know where to start. I wish it was in Montana (no offense to Montana!). It’s a HUGE deal in extremely dense NYC (the financial capital of the world), and it spreads like wild fire. If the Nashville tornado were still spreading and devastating other major cities we WOULD still be talking about it. It’s because this virus will continue to spread that it is the story it is. It didn’t HAPPEN....it is HAPPENING.Quote:
Originally Posted by JTG
I get it, the media makes the most of everything. I lived in hurricane territory for decades, saw all the reporters look like they were struggling to stand up while the little old couple strolled down the beach behind them picking up sea shells.
I don’t know what the right balance is between the virus and the economy. I’ll just pray the scientists and the politicians miraculously get it right.
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The number of cases and deaths in the United States has doubled in the last three days and we are in a period where both are growing exponentially. I’m not sure what other model that anyone else would need to see. Do you think that it’s going to stop at the end of the 15 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by Masterofreality
https://topic.newsbreak.com/covid-19.html?s=web
Do the students at Liberty have to sign a "we won't sue you" form when they return to class?
Maybe...are you sure it won't ?Quote:
Originally Posted by xubrew