2023 College Basketball Transfer Portal

I will not have you badmouthing the OG Rec League Champ mister.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Are you saying that Travis Taylor and Isiah Philmore were good at Xavier? Not my recollection.

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I remember his senior year travis taylor being pretty damn good. He was almost the only player worthwhile on that team his senior year outside of semaj.

Even in the rec league you might have to hit a one footer at the buzzer to prolong your career.

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Originally Posted by Xville

I remember his senior year travis taylor being pretty damn good. He was almost the only player worthwhile on that team his senior year

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Well, Samaj was on that team, so not quite. He was perhaps the second best player on the worst Xavier team of the 21st century. So that's...something I guess!

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Are you saying that Travis Taylor and Isiah Philmore were good at Xavier? Not my recollection.

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I'm saying that for the most these guys were similar at Xavier as they were at their prior school.

Philmore averaged 25 minutes a game at XU, after playing 36 as a soph at Towson. he took much fewer shots per minute at XU, but had a slightly better FG% . His rebounding, assist, blocks, TOs, Fouls, FTA,.....nearly EVERYTHING, were almost exactly the same as he did in Towson.

i didnt think he was a great player at XU. But i could have looked at his Towson stats and probably could have foreseen that. Remember , he was the leading scorer as a Soph on a Towson team that went 4-26. Is that good or bad...to be the top scorer on an awful team?

Taylor was similar. He didnt get the minutes as a Junior at XU (more on that below), but his Senior year was solid, averaging 12/9 and shooting 54%. he was a solid front court contributor. In his case, like Philmore, he was the top scorer as a Soph on a crappy 12-19 Monmouth team.

As a Junior at XU, Taylor played 15 minutes a game with TU (sr), Frease (sr), Lyons (jr), Dez Wells (Fr), Jeff Robinson (jr), Justin Martin (jr), Dee Davis (fr), and Andre Walker (sr), and a broken Brad redford (jr). Aside from Tu, Lyons, and Dez, that is a WHOLE LOT of average on that roster.

Andre Walker happens to be ANOTHER perfect example. A fifth year player, he had averaged 4 points & 3.6 rebs a game in 18 minutes in 84 games at vandy. In 28 Minutes at XU, he averaged 5 / 6 per game. What was it that we expected? We got exactly what he had shown he was able to do.

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Originally Posted by GoMuskies

Are you saying that Travis Taylor and Isiah Philmore were good at Xavier? Not my recollection.

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Taylor was pretty good his last year at X. 12ppg and 9 reb

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Originally Posted by MHettel

I'm saying that for the most these guys were similar at Xavier as they were at their prior school.

Philmore averaged 25 minutes a game at XU, after playing 36 as a soph at Towson. he took much fewer shots per minute at XU, but had a slightly better FG% . His rebounding, assist, blocks, TOs, Fouls, FTA,.....nearly EVERYTHING, were almost exactly the same as he did in Towson.

i didnt think he was a great player at XU. But i could have looked at his Towson stats and probably could have foreseen that. Remember , he was the leading scorer as a Soph on a Towson team that went 4-26. Is that good or bad...to be the top scorer on an awful team?

Taylor was similar. He didnt get the minutes as a Junior at XU (more on that below), but his Senior year was solid, averaging 12/9 and shooting 54%. he was a solid front court contributor. In his case, like Philmore, he was the top scorer as a Soph on a crappy 12-19 Monmouth team.

As a Junior at XU, Taylor played 15 minutes a game with TU (sr), Frease (sr), Lyons (jr), Dez Wells (Fr), Jeff Robinson (jr), Justin Martin (jr), Dee Davis (fr), and Andre Walker (sr), and a broken Brad redford (jr). Aside from Tu, Lyons, and Dez, that is a WHOLE LOT of average on that roster.

Andre Walker happens to be ANOTHER perfect example. A fifth year player, he had averaged 4 points & 3.6 rebs a game in 18 minutes in 84 games at vandy. In 28 Minutes at XU, he averaged 5 / 6 per game. What was it that we expected? We got exactly what he had shown he was able to do.

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Key point to all of this: Taylor and Philmore both had to sit for a year before playing for 2. That was part of the cost of transfers in the past. Now, they are eligible immediately.

I recall walkon Andy Taylor getting quality minutes in NCAA Tourney.
Tu's teammate and surprise player.

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Originally Posted by MHettel

I disagree with this. Nearly every transfer that has come to XU has essentially been the same player that he was at his prior schools. Go back to Travis Taylor, or Isiah Philmore, or Matt Stainbrook, or any number of other transfers to XU. You could argue that maybe Jason Carter didnt quite live up to his prior performance (Travis Steele), or maybe Kyle Castilin who came in as a role player.

But Freshmen? Its 50/50 at BEST. Obviously a Freshman must have had a HS and AAU performance that was good enough for us to visualize his as a productive college player and yet time after time we get freshmen that just completely fizzle out.

We have seen, and will continue to see, the lower level schools being used as a farm system for the big guys. Look at the key transfers from this year. Its FLUSH with players that were POY, or DPOY, or Freshmen of the year or First Team All Conference from the bottom 1/2 of conferences. the big boys are literally just poaching all of the top talent from the little guys.

if I'm a D1 coach, I'm trying to bring in maybe 1-2 Freshmen each year, then trying to grab 1-2 transfers with multiple years left and then 1 or 2 guys with one year left.

Do that for a couple years and you'll have a decent core of 5-6 guys that came in as freshmen, 3-5 guys that transferred in with multiple years left, and 1-2 guys that join the team as seniors. You can sustain that mix.

The 50-75% yearly roster turnover is not sustainable and results in ZERO chemistry or role expectations each year. No thanks.

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Again I didn’t say transfers were not good, I just think people over value them and many programs are over paying to get guys. You can find good players that can help you win without spending $400k. I am glad Xavier didn’t pay big bucks just to grab a Kerr Krisa or Paul Mulcahy. I mean in my opinion, UC grabbed some decent to average transfers, that may be fine players, but there are UC fans I know that think they are headed to the final 4 next year. They think they have a couple of NBA guys. That is a perfect example of fans overrating the transfer portal.

Daniel Ramsey has transferred to Georgia State from Tennessee Tech.
Go get it kid!