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Xville
03-17-2025, 12:21 PM
Couple days until Wednesday so may as well fire this one up. Our old friend, Jonathan Powell, is already in the portal.

waggy
03-17-2025, 12:36 PM
I saw a 6-10 guy that averaged 16 ppg from Iowa entered the portal. Can't remember his name.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-17-2025, 12:37 PM
Couple days until Wednesday so may as well fire this one up. Our old friend, Jonathan Powell, is already in the portal.

Seriously? He got regular PT. I have to think this is more about NIL than anything else. He was valued there. Morgantown does suck as far as college towns go though. I don't know what WVU has available but for 30mpg, his numbers were decent for a freshman.

Owen Freeman is the 6'10 PF from Iowa that is transferring. Played 26mpg and averaged 16.7/6.7. I never watched Iowa so I have zero clue if he is any good or not.

Xville
03-17-2025, 12:43 PM
Seriously? He got regular PT. I have to think this is more about NIL than anything else. He was valued there. Morgantown does suck as far as college towns go though.

There were a lot of rumors last year about WVU offering big NIL deals, and the kids never getting paid. Dunno if that's what happened here, but hey could be the money, or could be he just doesn't want to stay in West Virginia for the rest of his college career.

I wonder how him and Miller left it , if it was on good terms. Could be a Foster Replacement just sayin.

Xavier
03-17-2025, 12:43 PM
I saw a 6-10 guy that averaged 16 ppg from Iowa entered the portal. Can't remember his name.

He is one of the bigger transfers. Sat out a bunch because of a hurt finger- but it was allegedly bc he already had a deal in place for his next school. “Internet rumors” I should say, likely disgruntled fans. Just what I saw on Twitter though

ArizonaXUGrad
03-17-2025, 12:47 PM
I just looked at the portal list. Some player from Virginia (Warley) already entered and committed to Gonzaga who is still playing. The portal is out of control.

bleedXblue
03-17-2025, 12:49 PM
Id love the kid from Virginia who we almost got a few years back.......McKneely....

nickgyp
03-17-2025, 12:53 PM
I just looked at the portal list. Some player from Virginia (Warley) already entered and committed to Gonzaga who is still playing. The portal is out of control.

Absolutely. Mercenary basketball is upon us. The highest bidder seems to win out but who knows? Maybe some will be content with their situations like Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills and not scream for more cash.

XUGRAD80
03-17-2025, 04:36 PM
Absolutely. Mercenary basketball is upon us. The highest bidder seems to win out but who knows? Maybe some will be content with their situations like Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills and not scream for more cash.

Everyone is going to want more money, even the ones that plan on staying.

drudy23
03-17-2025, 06:51 PM
I'm guessing the staff already has some insight as to who might enter and who they might target. I'd be shocked if they didn't.

You can almost guarantee the staff knows well before the portal entry is even made.

I'm sure the portal antics are just as corrupt as everything else.

JTG
03-17-2025, 08:09 PM
Seriously? He got regular PT. I have to think this is more about NIL than anything else. He was valued there. Morgantown does suck as far as college towns go though. I don't know what WVU has available but for 30mpg, his numbers were decent for a freshman.

Owen Freeman is the 6'10 PF from Iowa that is transferring. Played 26mpg and averaged 16.7/6.7. I never watched Iowa so I have zero clue if he is any good or not.

The last guy we got from Iowa worked out well for us. 16& 6 in the B1G is pretty good.

Xville
03-17-2025, 09:16 PM
Paul McMillan is once again in the transfer portal. Will be 4th team in 4 years. wtf is wrong with this kid?

GoMuskies
03-17-2025, 09:49 PM
Scored 20 a game at Canisius last year. Probably thinks he has a chance to go somewhere, play a lot and actually win a few games next year.

OTRMUSKIE
03-18-2025, 12:21 AM
Any chance we can get Milk Chamberlein to leave St Louis and play with conwell one more time ?

Xville
03-18-2025, 07:16 AM
Any chance we can get Milk Chamberlein to leave St Louis and play with conwell one more time ?

I wouldn't want him. I've watched a few of his games this year and he makes Free look like a defensive player of the year. I think he'd get eaten alive in the Big East.

noteggs
03-18-2025, 03:50 PM
Kam Craft in portal. Too bad because thought Miami was a good place for him.

Xville
03-18-2025, 03:53 PM
Kam Craft in portal. Too bad because thought Miami was a good place for him.

Interesting. I’ll be interested to see if he draws high major interest or not. Watching him, he still takes a long time to get his shot off. That’s fine in the mac, but may struggle against high level

MHettel
03-18-2025, 04:18 PM
Kam Craft in portal. Too bad because thought Miami was a good place for him.

No shock about this at all.

Drop down, start, put up some “prove it” numbers, the head back to the big leagues.

He seemed like a Nate Johnson kind of player. Catch-and-shoot 3 point specialist who pretty much just stands in the corner until the defense gets lost and then he putting one up.

That’s Steele’s offense, so I could see why it worked. Can’t see it working that well against longer, quicker wing defenders in the BIG 5 leagues. And, in another system I think he’s not going to get a shot off the dribble or attack the basket.

Bottom line is that he’s probably best suited for Miami/ MAC level but some big team will probably give him a look / pay him.

Xavier
03-18-2025, 05:14 PM
Maybe I’m wrong. But feel like for a guy like Craft- his best money making years will be in college. So makes sense to get what you can now.

Maybe he could oversees but just saying he might not get paid like he will be now. Tho I dunno if a “big time” school goes after him.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-18-2025, 05:52 PM
De Vries to Indiana, I have to think Powell will join him.

Craft, the guy just is not athletic enough to create his own shot and defend at a high D1 level. That could be from his injuries or just a general lack of quickness.

bjf123
03-18-2025, 06:02 PM
Has anyone ever tracked the number of players entering the portal who don’t get picked up by any other school?


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drudy23
03-19-2025, 09:31 AM
De Vries to Indiana, I have to think Powell will join him.

Craft, the guy just is not athletic enough to create his own shot and defend at a high D1 level. That could be from his injuries or just a general lack of quickness.

Powell already in portal, and we all know he will end up at IU.

And your thoughts on Craft are off - have you ever watched him play? He can 100% create his own shot. He may land at a power program because of what he did and how he did it this year.

Xville
03-19-2025, 09:51 AM
Powell already in portal, and we all know he will end up at IU.

And your thoughts on Craft are off - have you ever watched him play? He can 100% create his own shot. He may land at a power program because of what he did and how he did it this year.

I’ve seen him play quite a bit. I could certainly be off but I see a lack of athleticism at the high major level and a guy who takes a long time to get his shot off. He’s fine at the mac level, but I don’t see it at a bigger school. Maybe a bench spark plug.

He had some good games but he also had some stinkers. Let’s not act like he lit it up every game. He scored 13 points a game and did little else to affect games. We shall see if a high major is interested. He left it open to return so he’s probably just seeing what is out there in the “free agency” market.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-19-2025, 10:11 AM
I’ve seen him play quite a bit. I could certainly be off but I see a lack of athleticism at the high major level and a guy who takes a long time to get his shot off. He’s fine at the mac level, but I don’t see it at a bigger school. Maybe a bench spark plug.

He had some good games but he also had some stinkers. Let’s not act like he lit it up every game. He scored 13 points a game and did little else to affect games. We shall see if a high major is interested. He left it open to return so he’s probably just seeing what is out there in the “free agency” market.

I saw MAC on plus this year, I agree with Xville here. He looks good in the MAC and will probably at higher levels, but if he moves to a high D1 program that will change.

I got to sit one row back from courtside a few years back at a holiday tournament in Vegas. The early games were low D1 like 280+. They were big and looked fast to me. Then the high D1 teams rolled out, the difference wasn't massive. It was just enough to make a huge difference in game outcomes. Lanes close and open shots become contested a little quicker as the college level rises.

GoMuskies
03-19-2025, 10:16 AM
I thought Craft looked promising at Xavier in his limited minutes, but that was two years and multiple injuries ago, so who knows. He certainly won't end up back at Xavier, but I hope he finds his appropriate level and thrives, whether it's Miami or somewhere else (unless it's Dayton or UC; then I hope he fails miserably!).

MHettel
03-19-2025, 10:18 AM
Powell already in portal, and we all know he will end up at IU.

And your thoughts on Craft are off - have you ever watched him play? He can 100% create his own shot. He may land at a power program because of what he did and how he did it this year.

Powell entered the portal before Devries left. Not much before, but before.

I’m skeptical that Powell knew that Devries would leave. Why would he? That was a quick decision. Heck on Sunday, we all expected WVU would be playing this week.

So in my logic, Powell left both WVU and Devries. Hooking back up with Devries at IU seems illogical. But who knows…..

Xville
03-19-2025, 10:44 AM
Powell entered the portal before Devries left. Not much before, but before.

I’m skeptical that Powell knew that Devries would leave. Why would he? That was a quick decision. Heck on Sunday, we all expected WVU would be playing this week.

So in my logic, Powell left both WVU and Devries. Hooking back up with Devries at IU seems illogical. But who knows…..

It’s a rumor on x so take that for what it’s worth, but there’s a rumor that devries accepted the job months ago and that’s why Tucker sat out the rest of the season. It’s a stretch, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I’m sure that kind of backroom dealing happens all the time

ArizonaXUGrad
03-19-2025, 10:57 AM
It wouldn't sound so nefarious if you say different. Woodson stepped down in February. De Vries was injured in December. I could see dad telling his son to not come back and play too soon, but rather fully heal his shoulder upon taking the job in February or early March. He could have only had 2-3 weeks of games to work back to game shape.

IU's NIL should be higher than WVU. He will get his son and Powell.

GoMuskies
03-19-2025, 11:03 AM
That's if he wants Powell.

Xavier
03-19-2025, 11:06 AM
In three years, Sean has landed an all big east guard in each season. I really havent looked at much yet, but if that streak continued it would be a great start. (Conwell/swain/all big east guard).

MHettel
03-19-2025, 11:21 AM
It’s a rumor on x so take that for what it’s worth, but there’s a rumor that devries accepted the job months ago and that’s why Tucker sat out the rest of the season. It’s a stretch, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I’m sure that kind of backroom dealing happens all the time

That’s just insane. I don’t doubt it. I don’t necessarily believe it either. But most important I don’t rule it out.

But back to Powell, would he know with certainty that Devries was leaving? Seems like a great way to crush a locker room.

And, why did Powell find it necessary to enter the portal like first thing in the morning? Is there some sort of prize for being early? The timing is just curious to me.

94GRAD
03-19-2025, 11:29 AM
A Buttler friend of mine says they are #AllIn on getting Craft.

Also, I be surprised if Powell ended up at IU. There was a reported rift between him and DeVries.

drudy23
03-19-2025, 11:49 AM
Craft is sneaky athletic - coach's kid and a coach on the floor lol.

If Devries wants Powell, you can bet Powell knew he was leaving. I guess we will see.

I'm much more concerned about X landing some talented post scoring and physicality, as it is an obvious hole in next year's roster.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-19-2025, 12:13 PM
A Buttler friend of mine says they are #AllIn on getting Craft.

Also, I be surprised if Powell ended up at IU. There was a reported rift between him and DeVries.

If you can scheme to get him open shots, he will have some success. If not, he will be a defensive liability.

Xville
03-19-2025, 12:16 PM
That’s just insane. I don’t doubt it. I don’t necessarily believe it either. But most important I don’t rule it out.

But back to Powell, would he know with certainty that Devries was leaving? Seems like a great way to crush a locker room.

And, why did Powell find it necessary to enter the portal like first thing in the morning? Is there some sort of prize for being early? The timing is just curious to me.

Everything I have heard is that Powell and Devries don't see eye to eye. I guess we will see if that's true or not in a few days. However, I don't think Powell knew Devries was leaving, otherwise he would have just waited until it was publicily announced that he was gone and then went to the portal. Just my opinion anyways.

Xville
03-19-2025, 02:14 PM
Hopkins has entered the portal. Anyone wanna bet he ends up at gtown? Has a "Do not contact" tag.

JTG
03-19-2025, 02:22 PM
A Buttler friend of mine says they are #AllIn on getting Craft.

Also, I be surprised if Powell ended up at IU. There was a reported rift between him and DeVries.
Craft is the prototypical Butler player. White 3 pt shooter that does little else on the floor. It sounds like a good fit.

Xavier
03-19-2025, 03:07 PM
Hopkins has entered the portal. Anyone wanna bet he ends up at gtown? Has a "Do not contact" tag.

Seems likely. Kinda seems like a St Johns type of player, too- and they have no issue sniping the talent off other BE teams.

But still, gtown

xukeith
03-20-2025, 07:40 AM
I hope Miller and assistant coaches can take advantage of X getting good pr in NCAA tourney.
This can only help NIL $ and quality transfers for 25/26 season.

bleedXblue
03-20-2025, 09:13 AM
He averaged 14 at Miami. Lets not get carried away. He would be a nice bench peice and thats about it

ArizonaXUGrad
03-20-2025, 10:25 AM
Craft though does have two years of eligibility and will be 23 and 24 for his final years. Older guys help out, just look at us.

GIMMFD
03-20-2025, 11:02 AM
It’s a rumor on x so take that for what it’s worth, but there’s a rumor that devries accepted the job months ago and that’s why Tucker sat out the rest of the season. It’s a stretch, but nothing would surprise me anymore. I’m sure that kind of backroom dealing happens all the time

Also a rumor from some of the WVU insiders who are pretty well connected to the program, nothing confirmed with sources I fully trust, but that's insider chatter around Morgantown as well. May be sour grapes, but who knows.

Xville
03-20-2025, 11:49 AM
Lazar in the portal. Interesting. Think he could use one year as the 1st or 2nd option to see what he has. Will be interesting to see who wants him.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-20-2025, 12:51 PM
He should stay with Mack. I get why he is moving on, but he will now have to learn a new system and develop at the same time. He stays at Charleston and he would be one of their main guys and develop with more offensive freedom in a lower league.

He is thinking he moves now with two years left and can learn his new system as a more valuable two year transfer.

Xville
03-20-2025, 01:08 PM
He should stay with Mack. I get why he is moving on, but he will now have to learn a new system and develop at the same time. He stays at Charleston and he would be one of their main guys and develop with more offensive freedom in a lower league.

He is thinking he moves now with two years left and can learn his new system as a more valuable two year transfer.

He seems to have some maturity issues. Miller had some problems with him last year, and Mack suspended him a few games this year. Very Freeesque in terms of attitude at a younger age...he needs to grow up.

X-band '01
03-20-2025, 01:13 PM
Hopefully he doesn't pull a Paul McMillan and basically try to go on tour of every single school in the country in search of being an alpha scorer.

Caveat
03-20-2025, 03:23 PM
He should stay with Mack. I get why he is moving on, but he will now have to learn a new system and develop at the same time. He stays at Charleston and he would be one of their main guys and develop with more offensive freedom in a lower league.

He is thinking he moves now with two years left and can learn his new system as a more valuable two year transfer.

Maybe a reunion with Mack in Cincinnati?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2025/03/20/sean-miller-texas-coaching-candidate-rodney-terry-xavier-ncaa-tournament/82573147007/

Xville
03-20-2025, 03:28 PM
Maybe a reunion with Mack in Cincinnati?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2025/03/20/sean-miller-texas-coaching-candidate-rodney-terry-xavier-ncaa-tournament/82573147007/

Goodman is such a hack. Every “big” job he has linked to miller. Miller isn’t leaving for a school where bb is second fiddle.

OTRMUSKIE
03-20-2025, 04:21 PM
Miller isn’t leaving X unless he gets fired . He is here for life. Just my gut feeling. No way he is going to move again . Although when you’re that rich moving is prob a it easier .

JTG
03-20-2025, 04:43 PM
Everything I have heard is that Powell and Devries don't see eye to eye. I guess we will see if that's true or not in a few days. However, I don't think Powell knew Devries was leaving, otherwise he would have just waited until it was publicily announced that he was gone and then went to the portal. Just my opinion anyways.

The rumor in Indy is that IU contacted Devries in Nov @ the tournament they were at with WVU. Supposedly told Devries they were interested in him replacing Woodson. Crazy, 5 games into the season, IU is looking and Devries, who is new yo WVU is the target.

JTG
03-20-2025, 04:45 PM
Everything I have heard is that Powell and Devries don't see eye to eye. I guess we will see if that's true or not in a few days. However, I don't think Powell knew Devries was leaving, otherwise he would have just waited until it was publicily announced that he was gone and then went to the portal. Just my opinion anyways.

The rumor in Indy is that IU contacted Devries in Nov @ the tournament they were at with WVU. Supposedly told Devries they were interested in him replacing Woodson. Crazy, 5 games into the season, IU is looking and Devries, who is new to WVU is the target.

FishingXfan
03-22-2025, 09:32 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250323/390fd5b589d409b38e12c1d66f90ec56.jpg
Saw this on twitter fwiw. I had to screenshot still figuring this sight out lol.
Looks like it would be a nice get if possible…. 6 foot 10 240 and averaged 15 and 7 last year for the Nevada Wolfpack. Chances? Fit?


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bjf123
03-22-2025, 09:43 PM
I thought the portal didn’t open until Monday. Is that just the “official” date and players can say they’re entering the portal as an FYI kind of thing before then?


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noteggs
03-22-2025, 10:01 PM
I thought the portal didn’t open until Monday. Is that just the “official” date and players can say they’re entering the portal as an FYI kind of thing before then?


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“Yes”

Section 200
03-23-2025, 08:31 AM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250323/390fd5b589d409b38e12c1d66f90ec56.jpg
Saw this on twitter fwiw. I had to screenshot still figuring this sight out lol.
Looks like it would be a nice get if possible…. 6 foot 10 240 and averaged 15 and 7 last year for the Nevada Wolfpack. Chances? Fit?


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Wow - what list of schools - he will be expensive

UCGRAD4X
03-23-2025, 09:59 AM
Wow - what list of schools - he will be expensive

What does it say that X is on that list?

Section 200
03-23-2025, 10:49 AM
What does it say that X is on that list?

Good things! Means Miller is actively working on next year, we have funds & we are going for top talent. Good things

bjf123
03-23-2025, 10:50 AM
What does it say that X is on that list?

I like it, though I don’t think we can win a bidding war against some of those other schools.


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Xville
03-23-2025, 10:52 AM
Good things! Means Miller is actively working on next year, we have funds & we are going for top talent. Good things

Not really. Could mean miller is contacting on behalf of Texas. Mack did the exact same thing having taken the Louisville job before it was announced.

Not saying that’s what’s happening here, but I just wouldn’t put any stock in Xavier contacting guys as an indication that miller has any intention of staying

FishingXfan
03-23-2025, 11:35 AM
Well, I’m hoping this is a good sign that Sean isn’t leaving. But seems like a good get and we should have boatloads of cash with senior departures this year.


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xukeith
03-23-2025, 01:48 PM
How limited is X when looking for a starting power forward/center?
Experimenting with Ousmane, Hugely, Traore, East Europeans, seems the norm for X transfers.

NIL $ probably helps get a Top 30 or 40 Transfer?

bjf123
03-23-2025, 03:12 PM
Will we have anyone stay if the reports of Sean going to Texas are accurate? I’m thinking it might be a completely new roster next year, and I mean every player. We’ll see who enters the portal tomorrow.


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drudy23
03-23-2025, 03:15 PM
Will we have anyone stay if the reports of Sean going to Texas are accurate?


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Probably not, including the new recruits.

Complete rebuild and not near enough funds to fund an entire roster. It's going to be very ugly unless we bring in a coach that has a $7M+ posse of NIL supporters coming with him. I don't see that happening, because that same coach will demand a salary X can't afford.

Say goodbye to X basketball as you've known it.

xukeith
03-23-2025, 03:16 PM
I have hope for Swain staying. Maybe Conwell wants a B10 or SEC school. Miller probably brings Conwell to Texas.

xukeith
03-23-2025, 03:18 PM
Let's just go back to A10. We will win more often and make more NCAA tourney appearances.

drudy23
03-23-2025, 03:19 PM
I have hope for Swain staying.

There is a negative % chance this happens.

Xville
03-23-2025, 03:21 PM
Neither of them are staying lol. I’m sorry but even thinking that they might is ridiculous

Caveat
03-23-2025, 03:24 PM
Yeah, the entire roster including the recruits are gone. Everyone needs to accept that.

MHettel
03-23-2025, 03:49 PM
Anyone having second thought about their view of us paying Roddy Anderson NIL money to redshirt this year?

There was a point where I suggested that we just activate him and people were like “Sean can’t go back on his promise…”. Pretty laughable now, right?

Frankly I thought our roster was pretty awful the last 2 years. McKnight is a mid major level PG. we counted on Free last year even though his recovery was very much in question. Getting a guy like Hugley to play in our up and down system. Total whiff on the 3 euro guys.

The deal with Green being allowed to just not play, but we agree to support his sham redshirt.

Weak

drudy23
03-23-2025, 03:52 PM
Anyone having second thought about their view of us paying Roddy Anderson NIL money to redshirt this year?

There was a point where I suggested that we just activate him and people were like “Sean can’t go back on his promise…”. Pretty laughable now, right?

Frankly I thought our roster was pretty awful the last 2 years. McKnight is a mid major level PG. we counted on Free last year even though his recovery was very much in question. Getting a guy like Hugley to play in our up and down system. Total whiff on the 3 euro guys.

The deal with Green being allowed to just not play, but we agree to support his sham redshirt.

Weak

I don't even want to begin to imagine how much we're gonna suck next year.

xukeith
03-23-2025, 03:57 PM
Neither of them are staying lol. I’m sorry but even thinking that they might is ridiculous

For three offseasons, poster swore Freemantle was transferring. He wanted to leave. X had enough of Zach.

It never happened. I suspect you were one of those posters. It seems like I have not had a conversations with Swain nor Hugely nor Conwell. But you know things. You have a proven record. You're rarely wrong.

drudy23
03-23-2025, 04:01 PM
For three offseasons, poster swore Freemantle was transferring. He wanted to leave. X had enough of Zach.

It never happened. I suspect you were one of those posters. It seems like I have not had a conversations with Swain nor Hugely nor Conwell. But you know things. You have a proven record. You're rarely wrong.

Again, people with their heads in the sand.

Coaches provide the players the opportunity. We don't have a coach, which means the player doesn't have the opportunity.

You think they're just going to wait around and hope the new guy thinks enough of them to pay them and play them?

It's a completely different world people!

chico
03-23-2025, 04:19 PM
Nevermind

IM4X
03-23-2025, 09:46 PM
Again, people with their heads in the sand.

Coaches provide the players the opportunity. We don't have a coach, which means the player doesn't have the opportunity.

You think they're just going to wait around and hope the new guy thinks enough of them to pay them and play them?

It's a completely different world people!


That is unless there has been some dealing going on behind the scenes. I would be shocked if we don’t find our Sean and X have discussions about someone to replace him (maybe Mack) that Greg and the decision makers at X are good with taking over as head coach job… and I would not be totally surprised if part of the arrangement included Swain and maybe Conwell agreeing to play for the new coach at X with NIL deals in place for them to stick around at X.

Xville
03-23-2025, 10:03 PM
For three offseasons, poster swore Freemantle was transferring. He wanted to leave. X had enough of Zach.

It never happened. I suspect you were one of those posters. It seems like I have not had a conversations with Swain nor Hugely nor Conwell. But you know things. You have a proven record. You're rarely wrong.

Well, your suspicions are wrong so the rest of your post is moot. You can check my history if you want.

Regarding conwell and swain, it’s miller leaving for a bigger school. You want to point out any instances where a coach leaves for a bigger school and the best players on the team don’t leave whether it’s with the coach or to another school? If you do, fine I’ll retract
My statement, but what I said happens literally every single year.

drudy23
03-23-2025, 10:04 PM
That is unless there has been some dealing going on behind the scenes. I would be shocked if we don’t find our Sean and X have discussions about someone to replace him (maybe Mack) that Greg and the decision makers at X are good with taking over as head coach job… and I would not be totally surprised if part of the arrangement included Swain and maybe Conwell agreeing to play for the new coach at X with NIL deals in place for them to stick around at X.

There is zero chance a player would give that commitment in this situation. There's no chance all of that happened in that scenario, it's been too volatile.

You're just grasping.

There's also zero chance this gets leaked purposefully to the players first to negotiate. It would get out in 10 minutes.

IM4X
03-24-2025, 12:56 AM
There is zero chance a player would give that commitment in this situation. There's no chance all of that happened in that scenario, it's been too volatile.

You're just grasping.

There's also zero chance this gets leaked purposefully to the players first to negotiate. It would get out in 10 minutes.

Fair enough. It might be a stretch at this point to believe there had been any official negotiations with players. It is possible though that Sean might have agreed to encourage players like Swain and Conwell to stay with the program as part of the deal (which still wouldn’t mean those players would stay). I’m just trying to think out loud how Miller is going to leave X without pissing off everyone at the school or affiliated with it.

As bad as this looks for Sean on the surface (and it does look really bad), I would be shocked if something hasn’t already been discussed between Sean and Greg and figured out so Sean doesn’t ultimately leave looking like he is completely screwing the school. Right now, he looks like a lying, jackass who pulled the wool over Greg’s eyes just so he could get back on his feet in the coaching world.

I am so disturbed that Miller lied about staying at X for the remained of his career. At the same time, I have to believe we are missing a part of the story. I have to believe Sean is not so cold-hearted that he didn’t have something acceptable figured out for X - that he didn’t have conversations with his boss and during those conversations made sure there was going to be someone ready to take over the X job - someone X would be interested in having as their next head coach- someone who is as passionate about X as Sean seemed to be.

Is it possible Sean had Mack on his podcast this year to reintroduce him and test the waters, seeing if Xavier Nation would ever embrace him again? Heck, maybe even that’s a stretch. Anything is possible these days, though.

I could be naïve, but I just do not see Sean simply taking a new job and says “See you suckers.” There are just too many people at X with whom he has built good relationships. If Chris Mack (or some other high profile coach) is not already in the works to agree to be X’s next coach I would be shocked.

GoMuskies
03-24-2025, 08:25 AM
Right now, he looks like a lying, jackass who pulled the wool over Greg’s eyes just so he could get back on his feet in the coaching world.


That's mostly because he's a lying jackass who pulled the wool over Greg's eyes just so he could get back on his feet in the coaching world.

xubrew
03-24-2025, 08:31 AM
That's mostly because he's a lying jackass who pulled the wool over Greg's eyes just so he could get back on his feet in the coaching world.

I can't help but feel this is partially on Greg. Unless he knew all along that Miller was a lying jackass and was overruled by someone higher up the chain because of what all the donors and boosters felt was best.

Caveat
03-24-2025, 08:34 AM
https://x.com/JamieShaw5/status/1904146779341295652

Trey Green has entered the portal.

xu82
03-24-2025, 08:42 AM
I’ve stopped caring.

drudy23
03-24-2025, 09:38 AM
I’ve stopped caring.

Hate to say it, but I'm questioning if I want to continue to put my heart and soul into this.

It's been such a great ride since I was 5 years old. Part of our lives - it's sad honestly. We're losing the grip to our program and slipping off the cliff.

XUBand
03-24-2025, 10:12 AM
Swain has removed Xavier from his instagram.

GoMuskies
03-24-2025, 10:37 AM
Hate to say it, but I'm questioning if I want to continue to put my heart and soul into this.

It's been such a great ride since I was 5 years old. Part of our lives - it's sad honestly. We're losing the grip to our program and slipping off the cliff.

Just be careful about pulling back. Once a significant portion of the fanbase does that, it's really tough to come back from. I've seen the transition from loud, sold out crowds to half full snoozefests here in Wichita. It happened fast, and there doesn't seem to be much of a path back to relevance for them. And they have the name of one of the richest people in the world on their arena.

xavbball
03-24-2025, 10:51 AM
Swain has removed Xavier from his instagram.

It now has a CAA agency email (same agency that represents Sean). Looks like he will enter the portal and head to Texas.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-24-2025, 10:51 AM
So the reality here is, we will probably need 13 new guys.

I could maybe see Hugley/Traore/Fletcher/Anderson stay, but Conwell/Swain/Freshmen they will be gone. The good news is that you get a decent coach and some decent NIL we will remain well....decent. Miss on one or both and we become Butler.

This sucks, but it's our reality. I read some rumors that GC is interested in Mack and vice versa.

Xville
03-24-2025, 10:54 AM
So the reality here is, we will probably need 13 new guys.

I could maybe see Hugley/Traore/Fletcher/Anderson stay, but Conwell/Swain/Freshmen they will be gone. The good news is that you get a decent coach and some decent NIL we will remain well....decent. Miss on one or both and we become Butler.

This sucks, but it's our reality. I read some rumors that GC is interested in Mack and vice versa.

The positive about Mack is that 2-3 guys from Charleston could compete in the big East. Brzovic would be a nice get. He’d not dominate like he has at the caa level but he’d be a good starting point for the frontcourt

waggy
03-24-2025, 11:01 AM
Just be careful about pulling back. Once a significant portion of the fanbase does that, it's really tough to come back from. I've seen the transition from loud, sold out crowds to half full snoozefests here in Wichita. It happened fast, and there doesn't seem to be much of a path back to relevance for them. And they have the name of one of the richest people in the world on their arena.

I totally agree with this. It's very important that the fanbase keep the faith in spite of the obvious challenges. The challenges that X faces are the same that the majority of the programs in the country face, including many in the ACC, B12 and PAC/MWC.

murray87
03-24-2025, 12:01 PM
The Michigan PG is now in the portal while his team is still playing!!???

drudy23
03-24-2025, 12:04 PM
The Michigan PG is now in the portal while his team is still playing!!???

The sport has turned into complete chaos and stupidity.

xavbball
03-24-2025, 01:37 PM
Swain officially in the portal. https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1904240028609585300

MHettel
03-24-2025, 02:12 PM
Swain officially in the portal. https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1904240028609585300

Let me guess…it’s not about money he wants to play PG.

Hey maybe he can go to USC with Des Claude and they can rebuild the Pacific Palisades brick by brick.

XUBand
03-24-2025, 02:18 PM
let me guess…it’s not about money he wants to play pg.

Hey maybe he can go to usc with des claude and they can rebuild the pacific palisades brick by brick.

lmao

Xavier
03-24-2025, 02:23 PM
Que everyone being shocked and angry at every X player announcing they are testing the portal.

GoMuskies
03-24-2025, 02:29 PM
Que everyone being shocked and angry at every X player announcing they are testing the portal.

Not this year. Swain and Conwell are gone, and I don't think anyone is particuarly interested in keeping any of the rest of the guys.

drudy23
03-24-2025, 02:33 PM
Complete rebuild. Just accept it.

GoMuskies
03-24-2025, 02:36 PM
Does the mullet guy have any eligibility remaining? We can build around that.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-24-2025, 02:42 PM
Fletcher, we hardly knew you. Good bye.

GIMMFD
03-24-2025, 02:53 PM
Complete rebuild. Just accept it.

Yup, going to have to start from scratch with a new coach, hopefully we can finalize it asap to get started on the roster.

xuphan
03-24-2025, 02:59 PM
Yup, going to have to start from scratch with a new coach, hopefully we can finalize it asap to get started on the roster.

Needs to be done by the end of the week. The new coach is going to have to buy a new roster for next year having to catch up with the portal beginning today. Scary time ahead I am afraid.

LOLmickcronin
03-24-2025, 03:07 PM
Good for dailyn. He seems like an awesome kid. I wouldn’t stick around for a rebuild either.

College basketball as we know it is completely dead. We need to realize that and mourn it. I’ll always love Xavier and be a fan but there will likely never be a player or coach that really means anything to the school and fans (and vice versa) beyond a name on a shirt again.

bjf123
03-24-2025, 03:48 PM
Will any future basketball players make the Xavier Hall of Fame? I doubt it. They won’t be here long enough.


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xuphan
03-24-2025, 03:53 PM
Good for dailyn. He seems like an awesome kid. I wouldn’t stick around for a rebuild either.

College basketball as we know it is completely dead. We need to realize that and mourn it. I’ll always love Xavier and be a fan but there will likely never be a player or coach that really means anything to the school and fans (and vice versa) beyond a name on a shirt again.

I wouldn’t say college basketball is dead but it is possessed by demons. There seems to be no control on any of the NIL and transfer portal stuff. Just let everyone do what they want. It needs to have some oversight and not be a MLB style free agency. I have always wondered why schools don’t sign players to multi-year NIL deals. Atleast protect your investments from leaving for free.

LOLmickcronin
03-24-2025, 07:02 PM
I wouldn’t say college basketball is dead but it is possessed by demons. There seems to be no control on any of the NIL and transfer portal stuff. Just let everyone do what they want. It needs to have some oversight and not be a MLB style free agency. I have always wondered why schools don’t sign players to multi-year NIL deals. Atleast protect your investments from leaving for free.

The way I understand it they can’t really do that. The players are not employees of the school or have a CBA or anything like that. The NIL deals are fairly tenuous from a legal standpoint which is also why you see schools burn the players and not pay them sometimes.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-24-2025, 07:06 PM
I am very curious what will come of Fletcher's lawsuit vs. Hamilton over unpaid NIL at FSU.

Xavier
03-24-2025, 10:17 PM
By the way, I have heard that X actually does a month by month thing. And so while everyone was up in arms that X was paying Green for sitting to save the year and transfer- he actually wasn’t getting paid during those months. Found that interesting and if true, probably how it played out with Craft or X learned there lesson and switched up strategy after Craft.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-25-2025, 10:28 AM
Hugley in the portal. I expect to read Conwell's decision today as well. I am just hearing it all at this point. No sense in this being anything other than noise. The new coach will hit the portal for new players and fill out a team.

How much energy does one put in getting to know who is on the team next season when half leave in the portal? I saw this among the ASU fans this past season. These were fans that have had tickets for decades and lived through torrid results, but it was the lack of roster retention (and coaching) that did them in. The guy I got tickets from didn't renew. These are fans that were fine buying tickets year after year to have success 1 every 4 years.

ASU is not a good program, but I think a lot of programs will experience that kind of apathy.

Xville
03-25-2025, 10:40 AM
Brzovic just hit the portal. Time to hire mack

xuphan
03-25-2025, 10:45 AM
Brzovic just hit the portal. Time to hire mack

Hire Mack because of one dude that he coached is now in the portal? Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

MHettel
03-25-2025, 10:47 AM
Does anyone have a link to the portal? There were a couple links last year.

Xville
03-25-2025, 10:48 AM
Hire Mack because of one dude that he coached is now in the portal? Can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

I’d rather have Mack than anyone else mentioned. Brzovic is a player, watched him several times this season. I want him regardless of who our coach is, Mack would just obviously help

Xavier
03-25-2025, 10:56 AM
A reminder to not get worked up over portal rankings- the kid from Wisconsin was “ranked” 300 in the portal. Turned into an all American.

As for Brzovic, he is entering the portal and getting a lawyer to try and get another year of eligibility. He played 2 in D2, but one of which he didn’t play at all so the hope is he gets granted that year back.

drudy23
03-25-2025, 12:28 PM
A reminder to not get worked up over portal rankings- the kid from Wisconsin was “ranked” 300 in the portal. Turned into an all American.

As for Brzovic, he is entering the portal and getting a lawyer to try and get another year of eligibility. He played 2 in D2, but one of which he didn’t play at all so the hope is he gets granted that year back.

Does he have a solid case for another year or simply grasping? He'd be a solid first piece if they can figure it out.

Xavier
03-25-2025, 12:34 PM
Does he have a solid case for another year or simply grasping? He'd be a solid first piece if they can figure it out.

Don’t have any idea but it seems like they are confidently moving forward as if he will be granted another year. But I’m just relaying the tweet about him pushing for it. I gotta be honest I’m not sure how he’d get it. I was wrong on my post earlier- he played a year in D2 and 3 at CoC. Maybe they are trying to say D2 is similar to Juco so it shouldn’t count? Complete guess on my end.

Xville
03-25-2025, 12:38 PM
Don’t have any idea but it seems like they are confidently moving forward as if he will be granted another year. But I’m just relaying the tweet about him pushing for it. I gotta be honest I’m not sure how he’d get it. I was wrong on my post earlier- he played a year in D2 and 3 at CoC. Maybe they are trying to say D2 is similar to Juco so it shouldn’t count? Complete guess on my end.

my guess? The NCAA loses every case, so probably a good chance he gets another year lol. I had no idea he had a year at a d2 school until today.

MHettel
03-25-2025, 01:15 PM
Don’t have any idea but it seems like they are confidently moving forward as if he will be granted another year. But I’m just relaying the tweet about him pushing for it. I gotta be honest I’m not sure how he’d get it. I was wrong on my post earlier- he played a year in D2 and 3 at CoC. Maybe they are trying to say D2 is similar to Juco so it shouldn’t count? Complete guess on my end.

So is there a chance that he has no eligibility left? Hate to bank on that situation.

GoMuskies
03-25-2025, 02:42 PM
ESPN ranks Swain as the #10 player in the portal.

GoMuskies
03-25-2025, 02:43 PM
Bennett Stirtz is in and out of the portal from Drake to Iowa. No real surprise there.

Xavier
03-25-2025, 03:31 PM
So is there a chance that he has no eligibility left? Hate to bank on that situation.

I’m not sure who is (banking on him) I don’t know that he’d come with Mack. No idea if they had a good relationship, he’d be sought after by a lot of big programs. Just sharing there’s some eligibility concerns they are working through.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-25-2025, 06:10 PM
Currently have three guys on the team. Conwell/Traore/Anderson, two of these guys did not play ball last year.

No way we get him, but Joson Sanon from ASU entered the portal and I would expect Jayden Quaintance to be in there as well soon. Sanon is going to be a good guard with the right coach. Quaintance is 17 and needs a ton of work but his defense is already on.

xuphan
03-25-2025, 06:59 PM
Currently have three guys on the team. Conwell/Traore/Anderson, two of these guys did not play ball last year.

No way we get him, but Joson Sanon from ASU entered the portal and I would expect Jayden Quaintance to be in there as well soon. Sanon is going to be a good guard with the right coach. Quaintance is 17 and needs a ton of work but his defense is already on.

Whoever the new coach is will have an extremely difficult task of bringing in the quality needed to compete next year. Filling the roster won’t be an issue but the new coach is going to have to hit on the players he does bring in. Extremely nervous for this offseason.

noteggs
03-25-2025, 08:00 PM
Does anyone have a link to the portal? There were a couple links last year.

https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferportalpositionranking/

GIMMFD
03-25-2025, 10:45 PM
I wouldn't mind Donovan Dent following Pitino here, just saying.

IM4X
03-25-2025, 11:11 PM
Darn Bennett Stirtz from Drake already committed to Iowa. Would have loved seeing him in an X uniform.

Hello Dent! We would love to have you at X!

Want to show a little love to our players too. Hoping Conwell and Traore Anderson will decide to stay a Musketeer and that Swain and Hugley the others in the portal decide to come back to X.

Xavier
03-25-2025, 11:14 PM
Swain does kinda fit what Pitino likes. Imagine swain/conwell/dent? We’d be the best team in the big east. That’s not a joke.

Now, I don’t think any of them are here. But I’ve shown the players Pitino has recruited to NM. They are great. He has a very good eye for talent, look forward to seeing what he brings to X

IM4X
03-25-2025, 11:19 PM
I wouldn't mind Donovan Dent following Pitino here, just saying.

It would be awesome if on the day they introduce Pitino, he finishes his speech by saying he wasn’t the only one who made the trip that day. Then Dent walks out with an X uniform on.

IM4X
03-26-2025, 12:28 AM
Well, Seth Greenberg seems to think Dent is coming to X with Pitino. Hmm.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44409279/sources-richard-pitino-set-leave-new-mexico-xavier

FishingXfan
03-26-2025, 01:53 AM
Well, Seth Greenberg seems to think Dent is coming to X with Pitino. Hmm.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44409279/sources-richard-pitino-set-leave-new-mexico-xavier

I hope your right!!! Is there anyone else on the Lobos he might bring or any of his incoming freshman?


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ArizonaXUGrad
03-26-2025, 10:55 AM
Greenberg is a tool, the other Pitino just got Joson Sanon from ASU. The guy is NBA level talent.

muskiefan82
03-26-2025, 11:58 AM
Darn Bennett Stirtz from Drake already committed to Iowa. Would have loved seeing him in an X uniform.

.

You'll get to see him against players in an X uniform now that X is beginning a Home/Away series with Iowa beginning at Iowa next year

IM4X
03-26-2025, 12:31 PM
You'll get to see him against players in an X uniform now that X is beginning a Home/Away series with Iowa beginning at Iowa next year

I guess that’s a “glass half full” way to look at it. I believe it’s his last year of eligibility. He is like the Energizer Bunny who can do it all on the court. Hopefully Pitino can hold onto some X players and land some promising new ones in the portal so it’ll be a good game (and a good season for X).

IM4X
03-26-2025, 12:35 PM
Greenberg is a tool, the other Pitino just got Joson Sanon from ASU. The guy is NBA level talent.

All true, but I am not closing the door on the possibility. Dent obviously has a relationship with Pitino. It would be an upgrade in terms of the program (X) and the conferences ( BE). Maybe we have enough $ to persuade him, especially if he and Conwell start talking and decide they want to play together for a year.

X-band '01
03-26-2025, 01:12 PM
You'll get to see him against players in an X uniform now that X is beginning a Home/Away series with Iowa beginning at Iowa next year

Did they just announce this home-and-home today? Hadn't heard anything about Iowa being added to the schedule.

Xavier
03-26-2025, 01:13 PM
Did they just announce this home-and-home today? Hadn't heard anything about Iowa being added to the schedule.

Yea, though it was agreed to before both teams got new head coaches.

xuphan
03-26-2025, 07:54 PM
Yea, though it was agreed to before both teams got new head coaches.

Pitino getting right to work. He has reached out to Quinnipiac forward Amarri Monroe. Would be a great start to rebuilding the roster.

xuphan
03-26-2025, 08:17 PM
Pitino getting right to work. He has reached out to Quinnipiac forward Amarri Monroe. Would be a great start to rebuilding the roster.

Add former commit Jonathan Powell to that as well.

Xville
03-27-2025, 07:02 AM
I’m sure him and or his staff have reached out to a couple hundred at this point. Otherwise they’re not doing their job. I think at last count there were well over 1200 in the portal, and you’re realistically competing against 60-70 teams

Husman
03-27-2025, 08:03 AM
Richard’s Dad, Slick Rick is off to a fast start in the portal nabbing former top 25 high schooler Jason Sanon transfer from Arizona State.

Xville
03-27-2025, 09:23 AM
It's interesting that we haven't seen Conwell or Traore in the portal yet. Could we possibly get lucky here? I know with Des last year it was a few weeks before he went in, so not getting excited yet, but just wondering if anyone has heard anything with these two in particular. Maybe they are waiting to hear from Pitino to see what his thoughts are and see if there is mutual interest.

GoMuskies
03-27-2025, 09:26 AM
If Conwell and Traore by some miracle stay, that's a huge start to building the roster. I mean, I assume so. I've never actually seen Traore play, but I'm assuming he's pretty good (and still will be after the injury).

Xavier
03-27-2025, 09:36 AM
I kinda expect Traore to be back. If he’s what was sold to X fans (long, athletic, rebounder- good in transition) he fits what Pitino likes. Coming off an ACL, I dont know what his market might look like. I saw a rumor that UC is going to try and get conwell, but I think the only reason that started is bc he lives with his brother who goes to UC.

There are a couple players I’d bet come with Pitino.

Xavier
03-27-2025, 09:38 AM
Richard’s Dad, Slick Rick is off to a fast start in the portal nabbing former top 25 high schooler Jason Sanon transfer from Arizona State.

The buzz and momentum around St John’s+Pitino, +MSG. I think St John’s is going to be quite an attractive spot for top players. They should be rolling while Rick is coach.

Xville
03-27-2025, 09:41 AM
I kinda expect Traore to be back. If he’s what was sold to X fans (long, athletic, rebounder- good in transition) he fits what Pitino likes. Coming off an ACL, I dont know what his market might look like. I saw a rumor that UC is going to try and get conwell, but I think the only reason that started is bc he lives with his brother who goes to UC.

There are a couple players I’d bet come with Pitino.

Who are you thinking? Without any inside info, I think Washington comes here if Conwell leaves, may come even if he doesn't. The only other one outside of course Dent, which I'm not expecting, is Milivecic or however you spell it. Can't teach 6'10 260 and maybe he develops into something...would be maybe a rotational player.

Xavier
03-27-2025, 09:53 AM
Those two and Filip Borovicanin are the 3 I think are possible. All of which simply rotational guys. Numbers aren’t eye popping or anything. But I like bringing some guys that know the system and the culture Pitino wants to build with him. No inside sources either just think it helps build out the roster and culture by having a few guys come with.

Xville
03-27-2025, 10:14 AM
Someone else said it earlier, but I really like how experienced pitino’s staff is. Finally some guys who have been around the block a little bit. I really didn’t get the sense our assistants werent all that great. I know people love Dante, but I’d like to see him get away from miller and see if he’s a good coach or not. Maybe one day he comes back

GIMMFD
03-27-2025, 11:06 AM
It's interesting that we haven't seen Conwell or Traore in the portal yet. Could we possibly get lucky here? I know with Des last year it was a few weeks before he went in, so not getting excited yet, but just wondering if anyone has heard anything with these two in particular. Maybe they are waiting to hear from Pitino to see what his thoughts are and see if there is mutual interest.

I really want to keep Conwell, he's so fun to watch, and when he's on, he's really on. He'd be a good building block for the roster.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-27-2025, 11:07 AM
Most of these players enter the portal after they have significant interest from other teams. Look at Des, I think once he got concrete interest he threw his name and declared not long after. I would be willing to bet that Conwell's name is being floated around by whatever agent he has. If he finds a better landing zone he will enter and move on.

Strange Brew
03-27-2025, 11:24 AM
I really want to keep Conwell, he's so fun to watch, and when he's on, he's really on. He'd be a good building block for the roster.

He’ll probably end up at BYU.

XUGRAD80
03-27-2025, 01:07 PM
He’ll probably end up at BYU.

Why do you say that? Any inside info there?

I’m of the opinion that he will stay in this area…hopefully at X. But if not at X I doubt he goes far. He seems to be very family oriented and already did the long distance thing his freshman year at USF. I think he likes having family be able to come to his games.

GoMuskies
03-27-2025, 01:13 PM
Why do you say that?

It's a running joke about the Jimmer Fredette era Cougars being universally referred to as "fun to watch" in the media.

muskiefan82
03-27-2025, 02:39 PM
He’ll probably end up at BYU.

I got it. Love it

FishingXfan
03-27-2025, 04:43 PM
My opinion is Conwell is coming back. He knows he can get the money and be a huge piece on this team and not have to deal with moving or anything and just focus on ball. He would be our leader if so. No reason to leave if the money is right and you’re the man on the team and on campus. I wonder if he has a gf and if that comes into play? Idk!


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GIMMFD
03-27-2025, 05:52 PM
He’ll probably end up at BYU.

Lol public and private reps, that was great.


My opinion is Conwell is coming back. He knows he can get the money and be a huge piece on this team and not have to deal with moving or anything and just focus on ball. He would be our leader if so. No reason to leave if the money is right and you’re the man on the team and on campus. I wonder if he has a gf and if that comes into play? Idk!


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No idea about the girlfriend, but a brother that he's living with that attends UC may be a factor??

Xavier
03-27-2025, 06:33 PM
Was just thinking about this- Roddie Anderson transfers to X to redshirt with the idea he would learn and take over the following year. He had options last year to go and play. He committed to Sean’s vision.

Sean bolts, and most likely leaves Anderson in the dust.

Though his play style, from what we were told, was aggressive D and fast in transition/driving. So he could actually still be a good option for X. And in this situation, getting paid kinda takes some sting out of it.

MHettel
03-27-2025, 09:28 PM
Was just thinking about this- Roddie Anderson transfers to X to redshirt with the idea he would learn and take over the following year. He had options last year to go and play. He committed to Sean’s vision.

Sean bolts, and most likely leaves Anderson in the dust.

Though his play style, from what we were told, was aggressive D and fast in transition/driving. So he could actually still be a good option for X. And in this situation, getting paid kinda takes some sting out of it.

If he stays. And if he’s good.

Weirdly, I’m just reaping that LAST year I attended a game at Boise State vs New Mexico that featured Pitino, Anderson, Donovan and Toppin. Who knew?

Olsingledigit
03-27-2025, 09:37 PM
Lol public and private reps, that was great.



No idea about the girlfriend, but a brother that he's living with that attends UC may be a factor??
He is also from Indy so likely wants to stay close to home and where is family can travel to games.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 08:35 AM
He’ll probably end up at BYU.

Well played, lol.

drudy23
03-28-2025, 08:54 AM
Conwell officially in the portal.

Xville
03-28-2025, 08:57 AM
Conwell officially in the portal.

Ugh that sucks. I know it was a little bit of a longshot but thought we had a decent chance at keeping him. With this news, I think Washington is very much in play for us

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 09:02 AM
Not surprise but still disappointing.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:14 AM
Ugh that sucks. I know it was a little bit of a longshot but thought we had a decent chance at keeping him. With this news, I think Washington is very much in play for us

Who is Washington?

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:14 AM
Not surprise but still disappointing.

Why? More $$?

Can we not pay him what he wants? Geesh

Xville
03-28-2025, 09:16 AM
Who is Washington?

Tru Washington from New Mexico. He isn't a shooter like Conwell, but more athletic and better defender. Obviously we will need some shooters either way though

Xville
03-28-2025, 09:18 AM
Why? More $$?

Can we not pay him what he wants? Geesh

Not a surprise because his coach left. X has the money....two things at play here though...could end up at Texas with Miller and 2.) his brother goes to UC who he lives with. He'd instantly be one of the worst villians in Xavier college basketball lore if he makes that switch. I'd sincerely hope he wouldn't do that.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:18 AM
This fucking sucks. Seriously, who the hell wants this much turnover every year? The fans are going to grow tired of this at some point and stop spending their dollars. Does anyone case about that? I think I know the answer.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:20 AM
Not a surprise because his coach left. X has the money....two things at play here though...could end up at Texas with Miller and 2.) his brother goes to UC who he lives with. He'd instantly be one of the worst villians in Xavier college basketball lore if he makes that switch. I'd sincerely hope he wouldn't do that.

Yeah- hes left coaches too.....4 teams in 4 years. He had a great spot here and I am sure Pitino told him he wanted him to stay. These guys are getting some bad advice from their agents IMHO

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 09:23 AM
Why? More $$?

Can we not pay him what he wants? Geesh

I just think anytime someone's coach leaves it is not surprising that they will enter the portal. For all we know Pitino told him to take a hike, or hey I like you but not at what you were paid last year. Honestly we just don't know. But again, coach leaves, I expect pretty much all the players to enter the portal.

drudy23
03-28-2025, 09:23 AM
I doubt Ryan gives a flying f**k about the Crosstown Shootout if someone is willing to pay him close to $1M per year.

In any event, yes, this is all dumb and is unsustainable (for the sport and the fans).

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:23 AM
Maybe Dent and Washington are a package deal? A guy can hope right?

drudy23
03-28-2025, 09:25 AM
Pitino probably told him the same thing he told Dent "if you think you can get that, you should go to the portal". I'm guessing these agents have mad influence, and probably not in a good way.

Reading between the lines in that interview, it seemed pretty clear players aren't likely to get what some of these reports are suggesting.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 09:25 AM
This fucking sucks. Seriously, who the hell wants this much turnover every year? The fans are going to grow tired of this at some point and stop spending their dollars. Does anyone case about that? I think I know the answer.

If fans stopped spending money, absolutely they would care. That just isn't happening though.

Xville
03-28-2025, 09:26 AM
Yeah- hes left coaches too.....4 teams in 4 years. He had a great spot here and I am sure Pitino told him he wanted him to stay. These guys are getting some bad advice from their agents IMHO

No he hasn't. Every single time he's moved it's because his coach has left.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 09:26 AM
These guys are getting some bad advice from their agents IMHO

Curious, without literally knowing anything that went into his decision, how you could possibly comes to this conclusion about Conwell?

Xville
03-28-2025, 09:27 AM
Maybe Dent and Washington are a package deal? A guy can hope right?

one can hope...bring JT Toppin back too while we're at it.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 09:28 AM
Pitino probably told him the same thing he told Dent "if you think you can get that, you should go to the portal". I'm guessing these agents have mad influence, and probably not in a good way.

Reading between the lines in that interview, it seemed pretty clear players aren't likely to get what some of these reports are suggesting.

Not in a good way for who?

Dblue
03-28-2025, 09:55 AM
Not in a good way for who?

In the Grammer interview, he made the comment that Dent should make sure he's going to get what is promised. I took it as warning that not everyone is getting the payouts they were promised when they transfer.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 09:57 AM
I'm happy players are being compensated after years of seeing the value of their labor go elsewhere -- but there isn't a sport on the planet that operates successfully with this level of turnover every single season.

At some point, sanity is going to need to prevail.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 09:59 AM
Curious, without literally knowing anything that went into his decision, how you could possibly comes to this conclusion about Conwell?

Its an opinion.....what I do know is that he's liked at Xavier and would be a cornerstone for the team next year. Sure, no idea what Pitino thinks but would be shocked if that isn't the case.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 10:14 AM
Yeah- hes left coaches too.....4 teams in 4 years. He had a great spot here and I am sure Pitino told him he wanted him to stay. These guys are getting some bad advice from their agents IMHO


No he hasn't. Every single time he's moved it's because his coach has left.

This is pretty amazing and reason number 1 the old coaches can miss me with their whining about players transferring. Every year Conwell has played his coach has left after the season.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 10:20 AM
This is pretty amazing and reason number 1 the old coaches can miss me with their whining about players transferring. Every year Conwell has played his coach has left after the season.

That doesn't change the fact that he's in a great spot with us. He must think his value is higher somewhere else.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 10:25 AM
That doesn't change the fact that he's in a great spot with us. He must think his value is higher somewhere else.

We currently have no team and the coach isn't even on campus yet. What exactly makes X a great spot for Conwell, who probably wants to be in a position to win as many games as possible and advance in the tourney?

(I do think Pitino is going to figure out putting together a solid roster and at least be competitive, but to and outsider or a player, nothing currently is attractive about X except playing time and potentially money)

Xavier
03-28-2025, 10:27 AM
I bet he ends up at Indiana. This is another reason a guy like Pitino is good, he found great talent for way less at NM. I think he will do the same here

xuphan
03-28-2025, 10:45 AM
I bet he ends up at Indiana. This is another reason a guy like Pitino is good, he found great talent for way less at NM. I think he will do the same here

Maybe but he is being asked to basically build an entire roster from scratch. That’s 10+ players to bring in including a new starting 5. I have no doubt he can bring in rotation guys but it will be a big ask to outbid other schools for star players. Would be a big ask of any new coach. Hopefully he brings in a good balance of talent that can be competitive next season in the Big East.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 10:46 AM
Maybe but he is being asked to basically build an entire roster from scratch. That’s 10+ players to bring in including a new starting 5. I have no doubt he can bring in rotation guys but it will be a big ask to outbid other schools for star players. Would be a big ask of any new coach. Hopefully he brings in a good balance of talent that can be competitive next season in the Big East.

His pitch to the two incoming freshmen should be "minutes available immediately."

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 11:04 AM
We currently have no team and the coach isn't even on campus yet. What exactly makes X a great spot for Conwell, who probably wants to be in a position to win as many games as possible and advance in the tourney?

(I do think Pitino is going to figure out putting together a solid roster and at least be competitive, but to and outsider or a player, nothing currently is attractive about X except playing time and potentially money)

Yeah, LOL nothing is attractive except the two most important things to a player....

Anywhere you go, you have big question marks.......thats my point. He knows Xavier, its fan base, its close to home.......and playing time and $$ should be very solid......

Xville
03-28-2025, 11:25 AM
Guys, it could have easily been pitino that said thanks but no thanks when it comes to conwell. He’s not athletic, can’t keep his man in front of him, and isn’t tough. Knowing what pitino’s philosophy is on the offensive and defensive side of the ball it’s very possible he said for conwell to take a hike in so many words. Ya never know.

Maybe we wait and see what pitino puts together in a month or so before jumping off the ledge

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 11:27 AM
Yeah, LOL nothing is attractive except the two most important things to a player....

Anywhere you go, you have big question marks.......thats my point. He knows Xavier, its fan base, its close to home.......and playing time and $$ should be very solid......

He can probably get equal money almost anywhere AND be assured of more winning from a put together team. These guys don't give a shit about the fan base, lol. Relationship with the coach is a lot of times important too. Wish we knew what/if any the conversations were like with Pitino.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 11:30 AM
He can probably get equal money almost anywhere AND be assured of more winning from a put together team. These guys don't give a shit about the fan base, lol. Relationship with the coach is a lot of times important too. Wish we knew what/if any the conversations were like with Pitino.

Yeah, maybe. So much is changing with players in the portal and there are going to be a bunch more in the next 1-2 weeks. Wish Pitino was HERE and talking with him directly. Who knows.....frustrating

Xavier
03-28-2025, 11:32 AM
It was clear the roster would leave and each announcement people will throw there arms in the air like world is ending. Now when X does bring in talent, people will throw arms in air that it’s not good enough. Portal rankings don’t mean much. Hell, Pitino former player (tonje) was close to 300 in the portal, he’s an all American this year. Quincy was in the mid 200’s. Neither Boum nor Conwell were top 50. All three were all big east players.

Until you see the team on the court you don’t really know what to expect. Fun to speculate, I certainly will, but it’s impossible to say what you will get.

ArizonaXUGrad
03-28-2025, 11:33 AM
Yeah, maybe. So much is changing with players in the portal and there are going to be a bunch more in the next 1-2 weeks. Wish Pitino was HERE and talking with him directly. Who knows.....frustrating

I am with your earlier post. This isn't sustainable. Apathy will set in, people will stop going to games of the small teams and the bad teams first. I will start seeing it at ASU, really I already have. I know a booster who just gave up his tickets to basketball (30 year holder). That is a lot of bad teams he still went to see. His #1 reason was too much roster turnover. You don't get to see freshmen come in and develop anymore.

Xville
03-28-2025, 11:35 AM
I am with your earlier post. This isn't sustainable. Apathy will set in, people will stop going to games of the small teams and the bad teams first. I will start seeing it at ASU, really I already have. I know a booster who just gave up his tickets to basketball (30 year holder). That is a lot of bad teams he still went to see. His #1 reason was too much roster turnover. You don't get to see freshmen come in and develop anymore.

I’ll believe it when I see it. If the team is good, people will show up. That’s all it really comes down to imo.

GoMuskies
03-28-2025, 11:35 AM
it’s impossible to say what you will get.

Seems a bit like a box of chocolates.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 11:37 AM
I am with your earlier post. This isn't sustainable. Apathy will set in, people will stop going to games of the small teams and the bad teams first. I will start seeing it at ASU, really I already have. I know a booster who just gave up his tickets to basketball (30 year holder). That is a lot of bad teams he still went to see. His #1 reason was too much roster turnover. You don't get to see freshmen come in and develop anymore.

Yep and if Pitino doesn't put together a team for next year that the average fan has reason to believe is going to be able to compete at the top of the BE, you will see a drop in season ticket sales. Apathy is going to set it.

GoMuskies
03-28-2025, 11:37 AM
I’ll believe it when I see it. If the team is good, people will show up. That’s all it really comes down to imo.

Agree with that. However, there are a lot of programs where the fans even supported the team pretty well when they weren't winning. I think you will see that far less when there's also no real longer term connection to the players and the fans know that all the good players are leaving anyway.

Xville
03-28-2025, 11:41 AM
Agree with that. However, there are a lot of programs where the fans even supported the team pretty well when they weren't winning. I think you will see that far less when there's also no real longer term connection to the players and the fans know that all the good players are leaving anyway.

That’s probably fair. Who are these teams though? Having a hard time thinking of any

Caveat
03-28-2025, 11:45 AM
Sources told Musketeer Report that Conwell is fielding offers ranging from $1.5 million to $2 million in compensation from other programs.

The new rules on revenue sharing can't get here soon enough.

(NARRATOR: The new rules on revenue sharing never arrived due to endless lawsuits over Title IX and Anti-Trust.)

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 11:47 AM
The new rules on revenue sharing can't get here soon enough.

(NARRATOR: The new rules on revenue sharing never arrived due to endless lawsuits over Title IX and Anti-Trust.)

LOL, for a good college player who has not shot at the NBA? F this. I'm close to being done. This is insanity.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 11:48 AM
LOL, for a good college player who has not shot at the NBA? F this. I'm close to being done. This is insanity.

NBA Rookie minimum is $1.2M.

Just absolutely bananas out there right now.

94GRAD
03-28-2025, 11:50 AM
LOL, for a good college player who has not shot at the NBA? F this. I'm close to being done. This is insanity.

Then be done for goodness' sake. You've talked about it for 3 years now.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 11:52 AM
Then be done for goodness' sake. You've talked about it for 3 years now.

What are you talking about?

GoMuskies
03-28-2025, 11:53 AM
That’s probably fair. Who are these teams though? Having a hard time thinking of any

Wichita State filled the gym every night for years (even before Marshall had good teams). Apathy is DEEP here now.

Xville
03-28-2025, 11:55 AM
The new rules on revenue sharing can't get here soon enough.

(NARRATOR: The new rules on revenue sharing never arrived due to endless lawsuits over Title IX and Anti-Trust.)

I have a hard time believing the numbers believing the numbers being thrown around. Let’s say it’s 1.5, that means a pf/c is around 3. 4.5 spent on two players with a pool of about 8 million ( Louisville for example). I dunno. To me, that’s a real stretch. My opinion, agents are leaking numbers to do what is best for their client. It’ll never happen, but that’s what some transparency would be nice

94GRAD
03-28-2025, 11:59 AM
LOL, for a good college player who has not shot at the NBA? F this. I'm close to being done. This is insanity.


What are you talking about?

You've been complaining about NIL for 3 years. Either accept it, or stop following college basketball.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 12:00 PM
I have a hard time believing the numbers believing the numbers being thrown around. Let’s say it’s 1.5, that means a pf/c is around 3. 4.5 spent on two players with a pool of about 8 million ( Louisville for example). I dunno. To me, that’s a real stretch. My opinion, agents are leaking numbers to do what is best for their client. It’ll never happen, but that’s what some transparency would be nice

No idea. I just know it's unsustainable in the current model to have guys asking for NBA money from colleges on single year deals annually.

Also, Nyk Lewis decommitted. Has any coach in Big East history ever had to recruit an entirely new roster top to bottom in his first year?

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:00 PM
Nyk has asked and been granted release from his commitment. I wonder if pitino’s recruits will come and if they are good enough for this level. He had a pg in the top 120 committed.

XUBand
03-28-2025, 12:02 PM
Really beginning to think we might as well chalk next year up to a lost year at this point with no major news of guys actually COMING to X.

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:02 PM
No idea. I just know it's unsustainable in the current model to have guys asking for NBA money from colleges on single year deals annually.

Also, Nyk Lewis decommitted. Has any coach in Big East history ever had to recruit an entirely new roster top to bottom in his first year?

If the numbers are accurate, it will be extremely difficult for x. We will know in a month or so if what we are hearing is true based on who is on the roster.

As far as big East, I’m assuming DePaul and Gtown had to.

I’ll just add that if the money/resources weren’t there, no way that pitino comes here. He’s not stupid

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:02 PM
Really beginning to think we might as well chalk next year up to a lost year at this point with no major news of guys actually COMING to X.

It’s been like three days. Maybe some patience?

Xavier
03-28-2025, 12:04 PM
That’s probably fair. Who are these teams though? Having a hard time thinking of any

Depends on definition of winning, but Xavier has been selling out for years now despite 2 tournament runs in 7 seasons. Dayton, UC.

Numbers are always extremely inflated. But he will have substantially more at Xavier than he did at NM and his teams the last two years were better. So I’m not worried about it.

bleedXblue
03-28-2025, 12:05 PM
You've been complaining about NIL for 3 years. Either accept it, or stop following college basketball.

For 3 years? You sure about that?

Caveat
03-28-2025, 12:07 PM
It’s been like three days. Maybe some patience?

There's a real shot Pitino will have to fill all 15 spots on the roster with a budget of ~$5M.

There's next to no realistic shot this team will be competitive in 2025-26. You're really just trying to avoid the catastrophic 20+ loss season at this point.

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:09 PM
There's a real shot Pitino will have to fill all 15 spots on the roster with a budget of ~$5M.

There's next to no realistic shot this team will be competitive in 2025-26. You're really just trying to avoid the catastrophic 20+ loss season at this point.

Meh. It’s more like 10 and really need 5 guys with 3 off the bench. The rest are just fill ins

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:23 PM
I’ll believe it when I see it. If the team is good, people will show up. That’s all it really comes down to imo.

Yeah, I mean we are what 4 years into this already.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:26 PM
Really beginning to think we might as well chalk next year up to a lost year at this point with no major news of guys actually COMING to X.

No news of any players going anywhere at this point, only entering. Pump the brakes man.

MHettel
03-28-2025, 12:27 PM
Meh. It’s more like 10 and really need 5 guys with 3 off the bench. The rest are just fill ins

Yeah, cause injuries never happen.

Or guys that were brought into contribute just aren’t as good as we thought and he have nobody else to turn to (Hugley, Maddox, Ben Stanley, 3 Euro stiffs).

8 guys is not enough. We need 13 to fill the roster. Even if you want to go 10 deep, you can’t pay your#1 guy more than 20% of the pot.

I’m already scouting bridges over here.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:28 PM
There's a real shot Pitino will have to fill all 15 spots on the roster with a budget of ~$5M.

There's next to no realistic shot this team will be competitive in 2025-26. You're really just trying to avoid the catastrophic 20+ loss season at this point.

This is a hilariously defeatist take. Step off the ledge.

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:31 PM
this reminds me of last year when some were jumping off the ledge about Miller going on vacation, and then X picked up guys that people are now freaking out about losing.

I mean do whatever you want...if you want to be defeatist and jump off the ledge more power to ya i guess, but good gawd some are acting like the portal is closed and no one is on the roster. Chill the f out

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:31 PM
Yeah, cause injuries never happen.

Or guys that were brought into contribute just aren’t as good as we thought and he have nobody else to turn to (Hugley, Maddox, Ben Stanley, 3 Euro stiffs).

8 guys is not enough. We need 13 to fill the roster. Even if you want to go 10 deep, you can’t pay your#1 guy more than 20% of the pot.

I’m already scouting bridges over here.

Reportedly 20% would be 1 mil of Xavier's NIL budget.

I know for a fact we didn't pay any of our guys 1 mil last year. So there should not be a problem finding and paying talented guys to come here to fill out the roster. The biggest issue won't be getting the talent but getting guys who cohesively make sense together within Pitino's system.

That why Pitino makes the big bucks. As much as I am sure Xavier had to sell him on their resources, I would hope Pitino had to sell GC on his vision for navigating the portal and building a team in what clearly was going to be a roster of 0.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:33 PM
Has anyone hears any reliable information on what Miller's buyout was?

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:35 PM
Has anyone hears any reliable information on what Miller's buyout was?

I dunno about reliable, but ive heard it was absurdly low...2 million.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:40 PM
I dunno about reliable, but ive heard it was absurdly low...2 million.

I had heard low like that as well and I had also heard 6 million (thought not from a reliable source at all).

Wonder what it really was, and how that money could potentially be utilized.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 12:47 PM
This is a hilariously defeatist take. Step off the ledge.

It's being realistic, IMO.

Pitino took over UNM and they went 13-19. That's probably a good result to expect for Xavier next year. I think people here are seriously underestimating just how daunting a task that a total, ground-up rebuild is going to be of the program. It's in worse shape than when Steele left.

XUBand
03-28-2025, 12:48 PM
It's being realistic, IMO.

Pitino took over UNM and they went 13-19. That's probably a good result to expect for Xavier next year. I think people here are seriously underestimating just how daunting a task that a total, ground-up rebuild is going to be of the program. It's in worse shape than when Steele left.

Yup - no one is being realistic about it at all.

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:50 PM
We’ve been linked to Powell. So has like ten other teams lol but he’d be a nice get

ArizonaXUGrad
03-28-2025, 12:52 PM
We now have two guys. We need 11 more but really we need a full 13. Pitino has a MASSIVE problem to solve in the next 3-4 weeks.

MHettel
03-28-2025, 12:52 PM
this reminds me of last year when some were jumping off the ledge about Miller going on vacation, and then X picked up guys that people are now freaking out about losing.

I mean do whatever you want...if you want to be defeatist and jump off the ledge more power to ya i guess, but good gawd some are acting like the portal is closed and no one is on the roster. Chill the f out

I’m confused. Conwell was a great pickup. That’s it.

We may never know about Traore. Hugley just sucked. Maddox was a bench piece but not a starter. Foster was the definition of average. Fletcher was a waste of time and money. Maybe Anderson will be as well.

What I do know is that Miller took vacation and this is what we ended up with. What I don’t know is what it could have been had he been engaged in the most important part of the season when it mattered most.

It actually pisses me off little bit in retrospect. He leaves because he’s not getting enough money to buy a championship and then yet he decides to pull himself out of the game during crunch time.

Also, did he forget that he beat UConn twice in a year they won the NC?

Maybe just being a really good coach is the key to success, not just buying the best roster.

At AZ he had the blue blood brand and a thin set of competition out West. Now at Texas he just plans to outspend everyone.

Xville
03-28-2025, 12:56 PM
It's being realistic, IMO.

Pitino took over UNM and they went 13-19. That's probably a good result to expect for Xavier next year. I think people here are seriously underestimating just how daunting a task that a total, ground-up rebuild is going to be of the program. It's in worse shape than when Steele left.

That was a different world. I know we can't fully compare to these schools but here are a few first year coaches and how their teams did this past year with having to replace almost their entire roster:

BYU-Sweet 16
Louisville--tournament
Arkansas- Sweet 16
UK- Sweet 16
Michigan - Sweet 16
Drake- Round of 32
Vandy- tournament
Utah State - Tournament


I'm just saying, its not as daunting as it would have been 4 years ago. Let's see what the roster looks like in a month.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 12:56 PM
Calipari (a lot more money I know) had 0 players and was a late game collapse away from the Elite 8.

I posted before, 44% of 1st year power conference head coaches in the NIL/portal era make the NCAA tourney in their first year. I don't know all of them off the top of my head but I am sure some had more resources than X and some had less and some had complete roster turnover and some retained some players.

I swear some people act like X is some little sisters of the poor program. Don't let all the talking down Miller has done to make himself look better about bolting cloud where the program really is.

I am not saying we will be a tournament team next year. I am saying Pitino will field a competitive team or he wasn't the right hire.

GoMuskies
03-28-2025, 12:58 PM
Did Drake bring back anyone last year? They won 34 games?

Xville
03-28-2025, 01:02 PM
Man I hope we get a couple of "average" guys like Foster and Maddox for the team this year...ya know the guys that shot 41 and 40% from 3, Traore a guy that averaged a double double, and Conwell an all Big East player. Maybe Pitino should take a vacation now.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:02 PM
Did Drake bring back anyone last year? They won 34 games?

Not sure. I know they had several D2 players from the coaches last school.

JEHARDI
03-28-2025, 01:03 PM
Not a surprise because his coach left. X has the money....two things at play here though...could end up at Texas with Miller and 2.) his brother goes to UC who he lives with. He'd instantly be one of the worst villians in Xavier college basketball lore if he makes that switch. I'd sincerely hope he wouldn't do that.

Rumor is IU which would make sense for him at approx $1.5.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:03 PM
Man I hope we get a couple of "average" guys like Foster and Maddox for the team this year...ya know the guys that shot 41 and 40% from 3, Traore a guy that averaged a double double, and Conwell an all Big East player. Maybe Pitino should take a vacation now.

Ha, right?

Of too Italy with ya Richard!

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:04 PM
Rumor is IU which would make sense for him at approx $1.5.

No idea how accurate these numbers are (my guess is, somewhat inflated by the agents) but if you told me I could have Conwell at 1.5 or two players who were at 750,000, give me the 2 guys at 750 all day.

Xville
03-28-2025, 01:08 PM
No idea how accurate these numbers are (my guess is, somewhat inflated by the agents) but if you told me I could have Conwell at 1.5 or two players who were at 750,000, give me the 2 guys at 750 all day.

I agree. Conwell is a heck of a player in that he can shoot lights out, but can anyone else tell me something he does well? Not saying the guy is Brad Redford, but i'd like maybe a more well rounded player that maybe shoots 35%, can play some d and not miss bunny after bunny at the rim.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 01:10 PM
Calipari (a lot more money I know) had 0 players and was a late game collapse away from the Elite 8.

I posted before, 44% of 1st year power conference head coaches in the NIL/portal era make the NCAA tourney in their first year. I don't know all of them off the top of my head but I am sure some had more resources than X and some had less and some had complete roster turnover and some retained some players.

I swear some people act like X is some little sisters of the poor program. Don't let all the talking down Miller has done to make himself look better about bolting cloud where the program really is.

I am not saying we will be a tournament team next year. I am saying Pitino will field a competitive team or he wasn't the right hire.

It's a unique situation this year too because it is -- theoretically -- the last year of booster-paid NIL. If the settlement goes through in the House case, starting next year athlete comp will be handled via revenue sharing and all NIL deals will go through a third-party clearinghouse to ensure it reflects FMV and not simply pay-to-play from boosters.

Now, I'm skeptical that the settlement is going to actually hold up, but there's some chatter out there that money is gonna be stupid this year to get players into buildings ahead of the restrictions going into effect.

Point being, it could be a lot more difficult to shop for a roster THIS year than it will be in future years.

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:12 PM
It's a unique situation this year too because it is -- theoretically -- the last year of booster-paid NIL. If the settlement goes through in the House case, starting next year athlete comp will be handled via revenue sharing and all NIL deals will go through a third-party clearinghouse to ensure it reflects FMV and not simply pay-to-play from boosters.

Now, I'm skeptical that the settlement is going to actually hold up, but there's some chatter out there that money is gonna be stupid this year to get players into buildings ahead of the restrictions going into effect.

Point being, it could be a lot more difficult to shop for a roster THIS year than it will be in future years.

I have not heard that theory or thought about that but fair enough and if true point taken on this year being unique. Not 100% sure why getting them in the building matters if they can enter the portal without restriction again the following year, other than I guess maybe better chance of retaining them if the money will be similar everywhere?

How is FMV determined for an individual player?

Caveat
03-28-2025, 01:26 PM
I have not heard that theory or thought about that but fair enough and if true point taken on this year being unique. Not 100% sure why getting them in the building matters if they can enter the portal without restriction again the following year, other than I guess maybe better chance of retaining them if the money will be similar everywhere?

How is FMV determined for an individual player?

There's a lot of uncertainty and we may get some clarity in the next few days since there's another court date to approve the settlement on 4/7/25.

My understanding is that FMV is determined based on review of other similar deals, market conditions, etc. The idea is to prevent a QB from being signed up to be a spokesperson for a company that does 0 marketing and getting paid $500,000 for existing.

JEHARDI
03-28-2025, 01:26 PM
No idea how accurate these numbers are (my guess is, somewhat inflated by the agents) but if you told me I could have Conwell at 1.5 or two players who were at 750,000, give me the 2 guys at 750 all day.

$1.5 is excessive but he was 41% from 3 , 51% from 2 (and got to hoop and finished much better as the season went on) 83% from line and average 2.5 assists a game. Super productive all around. He will make at least $1M somewhere. With all the needs, it was going to be tough to give him what he is looking for.

XUBison
03-28-2025, 01:29 PM
I have not heard that theory or thought about that but fair enough and if true point taken on this year being unique. Not 100% sure why getting them in the building matters if they can enter the portal without restriction again the following year, other than I guess maybe better chance of retaining them if the money will be similar everywhere?

How is FMV determined for an individual player?

Maybe you saw this already, but someone posted this article a few days ago. It (sort of) describes the FMV component, and what’s to come in general.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

MHettel
03-28-2025, 01:29 PM
No idea how accurate these numbers are (my guess is, somewhat inflated by the agents) but if you told me I could have Conwell at 1.5 or two players who were at 750,000, give me the 2 guys at 750 all day.

What if it was Hugley, Fletcher, Anderson and 3 walk ons?

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:31 PM
Miller said at a chalk talk last fall I went to that only 3 players in the BE made 1 million a year in NIL.

Richmond
Kalkbrenner
Dixon

If that’s true and other conferences have teams that pay multiple players on the same team that, this new revenue sharing can’t come soon enough for the Big East.

MHettel
03-28-2025, 01:32 PM
It's a unique situation this year too because it is -- theoretically -- the last year of booster-paid NIL. If the settlement goes through in the House case, starting next year athlete comp will be handled via revenue sharing and all NIL deals will go through a third-party clearinghouse to ensure it reflects FMV and not simply pay-to-play from boosters.

Now, I'm skeptical that the settlement is going to actually hold up, but there's some chatter out there that money is gonna be stupid this year to get players into buildings ahead of the restrictions going into effect.

Point being, it could be a lot more difficult to shop for a roster THIS year than it will be in future years.

Yeah. And the fact that no only have the seniors left, so have the last of the Covid players. We have much higher than usually number of roster spots to fill this year. This is the BOOM opportunity for players to transfer. Sellers market.

And we have to land an entire team. Fun

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:32 PM
What if it was Hugley, Fletcher, Anderson and 3 walk ons?

Those guys would add up to 1.5 mil?

Then I’d say someone f’ed up the roster construction, lol

D-West & PO-Z
03-28-2025, 01:33 PM
Maybe you saw this already, but someone posted this article a few days ago. It (sort of) describes the FMV component, and what’s to come in general.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

Thanks I’ll take a look.

MHettel
03-28-2025, 01:34 PM
I have not heard that theory or thought about that but fair enough and if true point taken on this year being unique. Not 100% sure why getting them in the building matters if they can enter the portal without restriction again the following year, other than I guess maybe better chance of retaining them if the money will be similar everywhere?

How is FMV determined for an individual player?

Willing buyer / willing seller. Basics of FMV.

Remove the specific example and then ask the question “would a willing buyer pay this much”. If yes, it’s FMV. If no, it’s not.

Once you get so data, it kinda regulates itself

Xville
03-28-2025, 01:36 PM
The nil part of this doesn't bother me...I mean get whatever you can at the time that you can get it.

However, is there ever any chance of putting up some guardrails around the portal? I'd really like a one-time free portal entry, with a sit out year if you switch again unless there is a coaching change. That would really alleviate a lot of the challenges we are seeing today.

I assume it would take some acts of congress to be able to implement something like this, so i'll just concede its never going to happen lol

Caveat
03-28-2025, 01:38 PM
Maybe you saw this already, but someone posted this article a few days ago. It (sort of) describes the FMV component, and what’s to come in general.

https://sports.yahoo.com/college-basketball/article/could-impending-rev-share-changes-help-cinderellas-in-the-future-everybody-will-be-in-the-game-130005097.html

This is also a good read:

https://www.knightcommission.org/wp-content/uploads/KnightCommissionBrief_HousevNCAA_182025.pdf

MHettel
03-28-2025, 01:38 PM
Those guys would add up to 1.5 mil?

Then I’d say someone f’ed up the roster construction, lol

I don’t know what it adds up to. But I woulda taken all of it and spent it one dude.

What the hell were they thinking on Hugley by the way. He was awful. Didn’t anyone watch any game tape on that guy? Did he just suddenly have 2 left feet and mittens on his hands? He was AWFUL.

I can only imagine how many more wins we would have had with Abou. 2-3 at least. Free goes to his natural position and Swain or Foster are 6th man along with Hunter and Maddox off the bench.

Caveat
03-28-2025, 01:40 PM
The nil part of this doesn't bother me...I mean get whatever you can at the time that you can get it.

However, is there ever any chance of putting up some guardrails around the portal? I'd really like a one-time free portal entry, with a sit out year if you switch again unless there is a coaching change. That would really alleviate a lot of the challenges we are seeing today.

I assume it would take some acts of congress to be able to implement something like this, so i'll just concede its never going to happen lol

Act of Congress or a CBA of some sort between a unionized players association and the NCAA / D1 schools.

So yeah, not happening.