2025 Transfer Portal

[Xville]

As much as we want to think "we're building for the future", the future in the NIL world is right now. Even if you have success, guys are going to move, it's just the nature of the beast in chasing more money. Without some type of rule change, that's what it's going to be.

You can't assume a 3-4 year plan anymore. It has to be "right now". It's just icing on the cake if most stick around.

The guys that perform are going to seek an elevated pay day, and the guys that don't you may not want to even stick around. It's an annual re-build unless you start offering something that's unique and progressive, that's not cash, that no one else does.

It's not that much different than the annual decisions we all think about in terms of looking for a new company. It's more than money, but money is probably most important, especially when you're younger, and doubley especially since they have agents.

Someone is going to have to build some rules and guardrails, but who and when? At this point, I'm not even sure who would be responsible for that as it seems the NCAA has lost complete control.

Plenty of impact guys still out there.

This just isn't true for quite a few programs. Does it happen a lot? Sure. However, there have been quite a few programs that have shown the ability to attract, retain and develop. Florida, UCONN, Marquette are just a few that come to mind right off the top of my head. It can be done if you build a proper culture, get the right guys in that don't ONLY care about money, and have a coach with that strategy in mind.

[xu82]

As much as we want to think "we're building for the future", the future in the NIL world is right now. Even if you have success, guys are going to move, it's just the nature of the beast in chasing more money. Without some type of rule change, that's what it's going to be.

You can't assume a 3-4 year plan anymore. It has to be "right now". It's just icing on the cake if most stick around.

The guys that perform are going to seek an elevated pay day, and the guys that don't you may not want to even stick around. It's an annual re-build unless you start offering something that's unique and progressive, that's not cash, that no one else does.

It's not that much different than the annual decisions we all think about in terms of looking for a new company. It's more than money, but money is probably most important, especially when you're younger, and doubley especially since they have agents.

Someone is going to have to build some rules and guardrails, but who and when? At this point, I'm not even sure who would be responsible for that as it seems the NCAA has lost complete control.

Plenty of impact guys still out there.

They had better figure it out sooner than later. They are ruining what used to be a great thing, but I’m not sure who “they” are. Nobody is in charge of this dumpster fire.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

I doubt these guys even go to class any more in the traditional sense. My guess is that everything is done online. Could be wrong...maybe someone that has graduated in the least few years could substantiate that, but that's my assumption in today's world. With that said, I'd think he'd finish out the semester? But i dunno.

Sadly, to me, I think the players are "students" in name only. I relayed, on another thread, my observation at Senior Night. For every single senior, pep band, cheerleaders, dance team, when the student and parents were introduced, the student's major and, sometimes, minor course of study was announced. Not a single mention was made when the "senior" players were introduced. I noticed that when it happened and must assume that was not an oversight. I have no idea if players are still required to be pursuing a degree or if there are still academic advisors. I suspect any advising is oriented toward sustaining eligibility to play.

As fans we have sold our souls and in many ways incentivized the players to sell their own as well. A young man, like Ryan Conwell, is on his fourth college in as many years. I doubt he ends up with a terminal degree although I hope he does. Still, how can any of us advise him not to follow the money when the offers are well into seven figures?

[paulxu]

Many baseball players go straight from high school to the minors. We have become the minor league of basketball.

[xu82]

Sadly, to me, I think the players are "students" in name only. I relayed, on another thread, my observation at Senior Night. For every single senior, pep band, cheerleaders, dance team, when the student and parents were introduced, the student's major and, sometimes, minor course of study was announced. Not a single mention was made when the "senior" players were introduced. I noticed that when it happened and must assume that was not an oversight. I have no idea if players are still required to be pursuing a degree or if there are still academic advisors. I suspect any advising is oriented toward sustaining eligibility to play.

As fans we have sold our souls and in many ways incentivized the players to sell their own as well. A young man, like Ryan Conwell, is on his fourth college in as many years. I doubt he ends up with a terminal degree although I hope he does. Still, how can any of us advise him not to follow the money when the offers are well into seven figures?

I don’t mind them being compensated or having mobility. I just don’t enjoy the resulting product nearly as much. I don’t have any answers, I just have less interest.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Every offseason has become the equivalent of picking a new team at the Y, with the best guys going to the highest bidder. I don’t feel very connected to a team built that way.

I think it feels that way and compared to before it certainly is more that way. However, of our top 9 guys (Including Trey before he decided to sit out), 5 of them had been on X multiple years. I think if Miller hadn’t left many of the guys who left would have stayed but no way of knowing for sure.

Of those 5 guys from last year who had multiple years, I am sure all of them could have gone elsewhere to a program somewhere that would have paid them more instead of returning for last year (save Green likely).

So every year won’t be a total roster change like it is this year with the coaching change.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They had better figure it out sooner than later. They are ruining what used to be a great thing, but I’m not sure who “they” are. Nobody is in charge of this dumpster fire.

The problem for those who feel college sports are ruined is the people in charge are most concerned about $ and college sports are not seeing a decline in viewership or revenue etc. The tournament just had fantastic viewership numbers. The skill level is as high as ever with guys staying who otherwise may leave in past years.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sadly, to me, I think the players are "students" in name only. I relayed, on another thread, my observation at Senior Night. For every single senior, pep band, cheerleaders, dance team, when the student and parents were introduced, the student's major and, sometimes, minor course of study was announced. Not a single mention was made when the "senior" players were introduced. I noticed that when it happened and must assume that was not an oversight. I have no idea if players are still required to be pursuing a degree or if there are still academic advisors. I suspect any advising is oriented toward sustaining eligibility to play.

As fans we have sold our souls and in many ways incentivized the players to sell their own as well. A young man, like Ryan Conwell, is on his fourth college in as many years. I doubt he ends up with a terminal degree although I hope he does. Still, how can any of us advise him not to follow the money when the offers are well into seven figures?

Conwell is unique in a way because his coach has literally left first after every season he has played.

But yeah, what’s college mostly about? Getting an education to get a good job in order to make good money to have a good life. Well many of these guys are now able to make decisions to go to certain places and make more money in 1-2 years than most people might make in their entire working career.

And let’s be honest as fans those are most of the guys we are worried about and sad to see go, the Swains and Conwells. I don’t remember anyone being worried about Kam Craft losing credits or getting a degree when he left to transfer to the MAC and Miami.

So most the time fan “concern” with these issues really boils down to “well this sucks for my team who I cheer for”.

[GoMuskies]

But yeah, what’s college mostly about? Getting an education to get a good job in order to make good money to have a good life. Well many of these guys are now able to make decisions to go to certain places and make more money in 1-2 years than most people might make in their entire working career.

Sure, but why are colleges even involved anymore?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sure, but why are colleges even involved anymore?

The colleges certainly bring a lot of value as well in terms of the fans and the names on the institution that help the players as well. That’s why college sports are popular and the G-league has no fans.

However to your point I could see a time in the future where being a student and going to class isn’t required and the team has only an affiliation that the school leases out and benefits from as well. Not sure exactly how all that would work but don’t think it’s far fetched.

[GoMuskies]

The colleges certainly bring a lot of value as well in terms of the fans and the names on the institution that help the players as well.

Of course there's a ton of brand value there. That's what many "player advocates" missed over the years. But if the kids aren't even going to be students anymore, what are we doing?

[Xville]

Tre Carroll visiting this weekend. More I see from this guy, the more I want him. Would be nice to hear something from Pozzato......

[Caveat]

Sure, but why are colleges even involved anymore?

The better questions is at what point do colleges realize they shouldn't let their product leave to other "professional" leagues just because they've exceeded an arbitrary number of eligible years.

[xu82]

The problem for those who feel college sports are ruined is the people in charge are most concerned about $ and college sports are not seeing a decline in viewership or revenue etc. The tournament just had fantastic viewership numbers. The skill level is as high as ever with guys staying who otherwise may leave in past years.

It won’t happen overnight, for sure, but I missed some Xavier’s games this year that I would not have missed in the past. I had other options I preferred at the time. That would not have happened 5-10 years ago. The tournament will always have great numbers, it’s too exciting to miss. College is still better than the NBA, which I avoid with purpose.

[xu82]

The better questions is at what point do colleges realize they shouldn't let their product leave to other "professional" leagues just because they've exceeded an arbitrary number of eligible years.

A school like Xavier who used basketball to brand itself doesn’t really get the same benefit anymore the way I see it. There is no loyalty when you don’t know who this year’s crop of mercenaries are.

[XUBison]

Conwell is unique in a way because his coach has literally left first after every season he has played.

But yeah, what’s college mostly about? Getting an education to get a good job in order to make good money to have a good life. Well many of these guys are now able to make decisions to go to certain places and make more money in 1-2 years than most people might make in their entire working career.

And let’s be honest as fans those are most of the guys we are worried about and sad to see go, the Swains and Conwells. I don’t remember anyone being worried about Kam Craft losing credits or getting a degree when he left to transfer to the MAC and Miami.

So most the time fan “concern” with these issues really boils down to “well this sucks for my team who I cheer for”.

This is such a terrible take. There are what, like 1500 kids in the portal? And maybe 5% of them will receive money that could be considered life-changing? There are a great many of us who are concerned about the educational implications here. You can choose to ignore them, or to deride their concerns with cynicism, but that’s on you.

[XUBison]

The better questions is at what point do colleges realize they shouldn't let their product leave to other "professional" leagues just because they've exceeded an arbitrary number of eligible years.

This seems inevitable, doesn’t it?

[xu82]

This is such a terrible take. There are what, like 1500 kids in the portal? And maybe 5% of them will receive money that could be considered life-changing? There are a great many of us who are concerned about the educational implications here. You can choose to ignore them, or to deride their concerns with cynicism, but that’s on you.

I used to be proud of Xavier for graduating everyone who used up their eligibility. Stuff like that mattered to me and helped the image of the school, imo. That seems like a lifetime ago.

[Xville]

This is such a terrible take. There are what, like 1500 kids in the portal? And maybe 5% of them will receive money that could be considered life-changing? There are a great many of us who are concerned about the educational implications here. You can choose to ignore them, or to deride their concerns with cynicism, but that’s on you.

I guess my question to this is why are you concerned with the educational implications of these kids? I mean who cares, they aren’t my kid. If they can make money to put a ball thru a hoop what does it matter?

I know that at Xavier there was a “we graduate our players” thing going on, but does the fact that Xavier may no longer do that all that much hurt the image of the school? Doubt it. As long as we have a good bb program that is probably what most kids that are thinking of attending there care about as it relates to the bb program anyways

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is such a terrible take. There are what, like 1500 kids in the portal? And maybe 5% of them will receive money that could be considered life-changing? There are a great many of us who are concerned about the educational implications here. You can choose to ignore them, or to deride their concerns with cynicism, but that’s on you.

I look forward to you sharing your past posts on your concerns for Kam Craft, Dionte Miles, KyKy Tandy and the likes.

Anyway a couple points.

1. Your 5% number is way too low. We can certainly debate what is life changing and what isn’t but that will mean very different things for different people. Let’s just remember learning this year that the walkons got $50,000 each this year apparently.

2. You nor I have any idea about the status of the credits/graduation rates for the players transferring. They still have to maintain eligibility and as others have mentioned many classes are done online now anyway. Have a much younger brother that is only a couple years removed from graduating I can tell you that is true for the average student as well not just athletes. So this is a made up concern with no facts behind it (unless you can show me otherwise) that is being masqueraded as concern for the “student”.

3. If anyone was concerned about the student athletes they would never allow UCLA and USC to joing the Big Ten Stanford to be in the ACC.

Save your faux outrage.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I guess my question to this is why are you concerned with the educational implications of these kids? I mean who cares, they aren’t my kid. If they can make money to put a ball thru a hoop what does it matter?

I know that at Xavier there was a “we graduate our players” thing going on, but does the fact that Xavier may no longer do that all that much hurt the image of the school? Doubt it. As long as we have a good bb program that is probably what most kids that are thinking of attending there care about as it relates to the bb program anyways

It only matters for him in the context of making NIL/portal wrong.

There’s a reason Conwell was brought up and not Kam Craft when this “concern” was being discussed.

[Jumpin_Jamal_Forever]

It only matters for him in the context of making NIL/portal wrong.

There’s a reason Conwell was brought up and not Kam Craft when this “concern” was being discussed.

I originally brought up Conwell because he is an example (and not the only one) of guys who have played just one year at each stop. Craft is currently on just his second stop.

Being ideological about every question is the easy way out. Instead of actually considering another argument, one can simply dismiss it in a very cynical manner. Most of us on this board support NIL and the portal. But that doesn't mean there aren't negative consequences and room to improve.

I'm not sure why you have quoted concern. What is your point? Do you have a point other than just criticizing anyone who doesn't wholly agree with you?

[xudash]

A school like Xavier who used basketball to brand itself doesn’t really get the same benefit anymore the way I see it. There is no loyalty when you don’t know who this year’s crop of mercenaries are.

I'm not sure about that. I get that our generation, more than others, will find all of this to be a big adjustment. I'm not sure that holds true with younger people, or certainly current - Xavier, in our case - students. This is what they know now. This will be the environment for those that follow.

It's going to more fully evolve into - it will need to become about - cheering for the name on the jersey. Then, if Richard is successful with what he wants to do, a certain mix of continuity and multi-year players will kick in. And maybe some level of sanity will eventually come back to all of this with respect to the compensation side of things, be that market driven or driven by regulation or both. Players certainly deserve to be paid. But 1-year deals for a kid in the amount of $2 million, as an example? I'm not sure that is sustainable long term, even with the most passionate, blinded, avid boosters from a school involved. Imagine a big donor Texas booster watching the Longhorn's stud freshman miss the back end of a 1 and 1 and a key shot towards the end of the Xavier game. Poof went the ROI on that one. And football pressure will only continue to affect basketball compensation.

A ranking of the Top 50 basketball programs in the modern era - defined as 1985 forward - popped into Facebook a couple of days ago. Xavier came in at #24. At least in my opinion, it still will very much be the front porch of the University.

None of us probably wanted this current mess or saw it coming to this extent, but we're here and in it now, and Xavier is set up to succeed in this new sandbox.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I originally brought up Conwell because he is an example (and not the only one) of guys who have played just one year at each stop. Craft is currently on just his second stop.

Being ideological about every question is the easy way out. Instead of actually considering another argument, one can simply dismiss it in a very cynical manner. Most of us on this board support NIL and the portal. But that doesn't mean there aren't negative consequences and room to improve.

I'm not sure why you have quoted concern. What is your point? Do you have a point other than just criticizing anyone who doesn't wholly agree with you?

Craft is in the portal again.

There is most definitely room to improve the portal and NIL.

Call me cynical, that is fine, I’m just calling BS on the issue being concern for credits transferring to a new school and whether a player is now on pace to graduate in 4 years vs the concern being “this guy is good, I don’t want him to leave our team” or “this stinks I don’t like cheering for different players every year” or anything inbetween. Which is why I say you don’t usually hear that concern brought up about the guys leaving X who didn’t play or were no good. And also why you don’t hear most fans bring up those concerns about the conference their team is in.

Also it seems silly to bring it up about someone who is about to make millions of dollars due to the switch. Again Conwell’s coach at every stop has left first before him. 1. Where is the concern/outrage about those coaches? 2. Each of Conwell’s transfers has made him more money and set him up for better success to make even more at the next stop. That actually seems to be something we should be congratulating him on. He’s going to leave college with a huge head start in life whether he graduates or not.

And again, we have no reason to believe he will not graduate with a degree. A lot of these guys end up graduating early with the classes they take each summer. So again, a lot of it seems like made up faux concern bc it’s not even based in any fact or data. (Unless there is some out there I haven’t seen and I would be happy to take a look at).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Double post

[xu82]

I'm not sure about that. I get that our generation, more than others, will find all of this to be a big adjustment. I'm not sure that holds true with younger people, or certainly current - Xavier, in our case - students. This is what they know now. This will be the environment for those that follow.

It's going to more fully evolve into - it will need to become about - cheering for the name on the jersey. Then, if Richard is successful with what he wants to do, a certain mix of continuity and multi-year players will kick in. And maybe some level of sanity will eventually come back to all of this with respect to the compensation side of things, be that market driven or driven by regulation or both. Players certainly deserve to be paid. But 1-year deals for a kid in the amount of $2 million, as an example? I'm not sure that is sustainable long term, even with the most passionate, blinded, avid boosters from a school involved. Imagine a big donor Texas booster watching the Longhorn's stud freshman miss the back end of a 1 and 1 and a key shot towards the end of the Xavier game. Poof went the ROI on that one. And football pressure will only continue to affect basketball compensation.

A ranking of the Top 50 basketball programs in the modern era - defined as 1985 forward - popped into Facebook a couple of days ago. Xavier came in at #24. At least in my opinion, it still will very much be the front porch of the University.

None of us probably wanted this current mess or saw it coming to this extent, but we're here and in it now, and Xavier is set up to succeed in this new sandbox.

I am sure that you are correct and current students and younger fans are less annoyed by this than I am. I pray that some level of sanity can be found, because right now it’s an unsupervised tire fire. But…...who is supposed to take charge?

[xuphan]

Tre Carroll visiting this weekend. More I see from this guy, the more I want him. Would be nice to hear something from Pozzato......

I’d rather have Pozzato than Carroll though I’d love to get both.

[Xavier]

It’s definitely not an either or. I think more likely both. But Pozzato based off: he and his dad following most X coaches (no other school) and current commits, BYU was interested and offered a lot- but another similar guy committed so they moved off him. Trilly thought we’d hear something very soon about it happening.

[xudash]

I am sure that you are correct and current students and younger fans are less annoyed by this than I am. I pray that some level of sanity can be found, because right now it’s an unsupervised tire fire. But…...who is supposed to take charge?

The four big conference commissioners were on Fox this evening with Brett Baier. All four of them I believe we’re calling for the United States Congress to step in, citing that this complete mess cannot continue if things are defined and governed at the state level.

It probably will take a season or two, but maybe this will get cleaned up to some degree at some point.

[XUGRAD80]

They need congress to step in and create some laws because every time the NCAA tries to do something, the courts shoot it down. But it’s going to take writing some laws that stand up to judicial review and over site. That won’t happen very quickly, if at all. I fear that this mess will continue for a long time. Hopefully the collegiate sports system can withstand it long enough.

[Xville]

It’s definitely not an either or. I think more likely both. But Pozzato based off: he and his dad following most X coaches (no other school) and current commits, BYU was interested and offered a lot- but another similar guy committed so they moved off him. Trilly thought we’d hear something very soon about it happening.

Kinda weird it’s taking this long with pozzato though, right? Must be a lot of negotiation on the money side?

[Xavier]

Kinda weird it’s taking this long with pozzato though, right? Must be a lot of negotiation on the money side?

That’s my concern as well. Why wait? Nebraska is the only other school but some of there insiders weren’t confident.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Has he visited? Maybe he wants to before he commits and he needs to wait bc of the dead period?

[Xville]

Has he visited? Maybe he wants to before he commits and he needs to wait bc of the dead period?

Visited a week or two ago that’s why I’m surprised why a decision has taken so long

[drudy23]

A school like Xavier who used basketball to brand itself doesn’t really get the same benefit anymore the way I see it. There is no loyalty when you don’t know who this year’s crop of mercenaries are.

I'm not saying this is youth and high school sports, but the identity of playing for your school has taken a back seat to exposure and "making a name" in the circuit, AAU, and travel leagues. Now, most kids still play for their schools, but it's kind of looked at as a second tier.

What happens if that starts in college, and all of these independent options (that can pay) start to pop up. It may be tough to beat the NIL money the schools are producing, but what if some of these donors begin to start their own leagues? It probably would never happen, but it would be tough to root for any team not connected to Xavier. I'd be a hard out at that point.

[XUBison]

I guess my question to this is why are you concerned with the educational implications of these kids? I mean who cares, they aren’t my kid. If they can make money to put a ball thru a hoop what does it matter?

I know that at Xavier there was a “we graduate our players” thing going on, but does the fact that Xavier may no longer do that all that much hurt the image of the school? Doubt it. As long as we have a good bb program that is probably what most kids that are thinking of attending there care about as it relates to the bb program anyways

Because Xavier is an academic institution. That’s what it is. If a kid is not concerned about his education, then so be it. But Xavier, as an academic institution, should be inclined to fulfill its purpose, rather than the business of tossing kids aside who are deemed a non-performing asset. To Go’s earlier point, if the bball players were to eventually become affiliated with X by brand only, then why would Xavier continue to be a necessary part of that equation?

And yes, the academic component is important to me— it is why Xavier basketball has been so meaningful, more than a simple pastime. Take the ‘04 run. Lionel Chalmers came in as a partial qualifier, yet he graduated in four years and was working on a Master’s degree during that fateful season. I remember reading an interview with Anthony Myles when he was playing in China, and he mentioned how proud he was to be the first person in his family to graduate. All of those kids on the ‘04 team graduated. I lived across the hall from some of those kids. I went to class with them, ate with them, partied at Dana’s with them. Yes, those things mean something to me. They are why I’m bonded to Xavier basketball in a way I am not to any other team, and it gets tiresome having to defend that perspective against shallow and vapid condescension.

[drudy23]

Because Xavier is an academic institution. That’s what it is. If a kid is not concerned about his education, then so be it. But Xavier, as an academic institution, should be inclined to fulfill its purpose, rather than the business of tossing kids aside who are deemed a non-performing asset. To Go’s earlier point, if the bball players were to eventually become affiliated with X by brand only, then why would Xavier continue to be a necessary part of that equation?

And yes, the academic component is important to me— it is why Xavier basketball has been so meaningful, more than a simple pastime. Take the ‘04 run. Lionel Chalmers came in as a partial qualifier, yet he graduated in four years and was working on a Master’s degree during that fateful season. I remember reading an interview with Anthony Myles when he was playing in China, and he mentioned how proud he was to be the first person in his family to graduate. All of those kids on the ‘04 team graduated. I lived across the hall from some of those kids. I went to class with them, ate with them, partied at Dana’s with them. Yes, those things mean something to me. They are why I’m bonded to Xavier basketball in a way I am not to any other team, and it gets tiresome having to defend that perspective against shallow and vapid condescension.

10 years ago, I'd think most would agree.

Now, it's gotten so far removed from that, what's the point? Who cares about that when they seemingly don't really seem to care about the integrity of the sport in any other capacity. Times have changed.

Part of the reason you can't hold onto the past. It's a completely different world where comparisons are a moot point.

Love to see the guys graduate and that is always an option for them. But outside of that, I don't care.

The President can say all she wants about keeping that as a priority, but it's pretty clear what the priority is for 99% of those involved. It just doesn't work that way anymore.

[XUBison]

Craft is in the portal again.

There is most definitely room to improve the portal and NIL.

Call me cynical, that is fine, I’m just calling BS on the issue being concern for credits transferring to a new school and whether a player is now on pace to graduate in 4 years vs the concern being “this guy is good, I don’t want him to leave our team” or “this stinks I don’t like cheering for different players every year” or anything inbetween. Which is why I say you don’t usually hear that concern brought up about the guys leaving X who didn’t play or were no good. And also why you don’t hear most fans bring up those concerns about the conference their team is in.

Also it seems silly to bring it up about someone who is about to make millions of dollars due to the switch. Again Conwell’s coach at every stop has left first before him. 1. Where is the concern/outrage about those coaches? 2. Each of Conwell’s transfers has made him more money and set him up for better success to make even more at the next stop. That actually seems to be something we should be congratulating him on. He’s going to leave college with a huge head start in life whether he graduates or not.

And again, we have no reason to believe he will not graduate with a degree. A lot of these guys end up graduating early with the classes they take each summer. So again, a lot of it seems like made up faux concern bc it’s not even based in any fact or data. (Unless there is some out there I haven’t seen and I would be happy to take a look at).

Are you a bot? No one criticized Conwell. No one blames these kids. As for players like Kam Craft, I have expressed my dismay that the current environment has supposed high-minded academic institutions dropping these kids like bad habits,and that we fans cheer it on. If Xavier were to announce tomorrow that it was cutting men’s basketball because it no longer aligns with its core tenets, I would be at total peace with that. Jesus, there are no doubt two ends to the “insufferable” spectrum.

[Xville]

Are you a bot? No one criticized Conwell. No one blames these kids. As for players like Kam Craft, I have expressed my dismay that the current environment has supposed high-minded academic institutions dropping these kids like bad habits,and that we fans cheer it on. If Xavier were to announce tomorrow that it was cutting men’s basketball because it no longer aligns with its core tenets, I would be at total peace with that. Jesus, there are no doubt two ends to the “insufferable” spectrum.

Xavier has always dropped non performing assets within their basketball program. It’s not different now than it was back then. X wasn’t in he habit of wasting scholarship money on a guy who couldn’t perform.

[drudy23]

Are you a bot? No one criticized Conwell. No one blames these kids. As for players like Kam Craft, I have expressed my dismay that the current environment has supposed high-minded academic institutions dropping these kids like bad habits,and that we fans cheer it on. If Xavier were to announce tomorrow that it was cutting men’s basketball because it no longer aligns with its core tenets, I would be at total peace with that. Jesus, there are no doubt two ends to the “insufferable” spectrum.

Cmon, they're going to take the moral high ground for the school's cash cow?

Xavier basketball elevated Xavier the academic institution. If basketball didn't have its success, the school is nothing more than every other regional liberal arts school that are struggling to keep their classrooms full.

[XUBison]

10 years ago, I'd think most would agree.

Now, it's gotten so far removed from that, what's the point? Who cares about that when they seemingly don't really seem to care about the integrity of the sport in any other capacity. Times have changed.

Part of the reason you can't hold onto the past. It's a completely different world where comparisons are a moot point.

Love to see the guys graduate and that is always an option for them. But outside of that, I don't care.

The President can say all she wants about keeping that as a priority, but it's pretty clear what the priority is for 99% of those involved. It just doesn't work that way anymore.

I mean, yep? Not to split hairs, but I am not that old— like I’m talking about some distant bygone era. And it has not been ten years since these things mattered, not to fans at least. It also seems like a cop out that America’s colleges and universities can’t find a way to maintain some semblance of academic integrity within athletics, but I mostly agree with your take and don’t hold out hope on that front. The point was just that there are people who express that their interest is waning because they do care about these things, yet, like moths to a flame, they are routinely critiqued as disingenuous by some ax-grinding robo-posters.

[XUBison]

Xavier has always dropped non performing assets within their basketball program. It’s not different now than it was back then. X wasn’t in he habit of wasting scholarship money on a guy who couldn’t perform.

That’s not true. My fandom began my freshman year in ‘97, and prior to five or so years ago, I can think of a small handful of players during that time that left the program, only a few of whom were dismissed.

[XUBison]

Cmon, they're going to take the moral high ground for the school's cash cow?

Xavier basketball elevated Xavier the academic institution. If basketball didn't have its success, the school is nothing more than every other regional liberal arts school that are struggling to keep their classrooms full.

No,of course they’re not. But I would not lose sleep if they did. That’s all I said. To your point, however, aren’t we at like 5,700 right now? We were bigger than that when I started almost 30 years ago, and I thought we had grown to like 8,500 not that long ago? Is the argument here that enrollment is not as sucky as it otherwise would be if we didn’t have basketball? Whatever- I’m not advocating for the termination of the program.

[Xville]

That’s not true. My fandom began my freshman year in ‘97, and prior to five or so years ago, I can think of a small handful of players during that time that left the program, only a few of whom were dismissed.

Are you kidding?

Khalil nixon
Jaison williams
Anthony Coleman
Angelo smith
Dupree Lucas
Boubacar coly
Adrion graves
Brian Walsh
Jay canty
Griffin mckenzie
Jordan latham
Brandon Randolph
Khamal Richards
Larry Austin
Makinde London
Elias harden
Keonte kennedy
Dontarius James
Dahmir bishop
Daniel ramsay


From about 2000-covid

[xukeith]

Are you kidding?

Khalil nixon
Jaison williams
Anthony Coleman
Angelo smith
Dupree Lucas
Boubacar coly
Adrion graves
Brian Walsh
Jay canty
Griffin mckenzie
Jordan latham
Brandon Randolph
Khamal Richards
Larry Austin
Makinde London
Elias harden
Keonte kennedy
Dontarius James
Dahmir bishop
Daniel ramsay


From about 2000-covid

about 2000-2020, 20 years and I counted 20 players whom you have listed. That is 1 athlete per year. Certainly that is not every player who left early?

[D-West & PO-Z]

That’s not true. My fandom began my freshman year in ‘97, and prior to five or so years ago, I can think of a small handful of players during that time that left the program, only a few of whom were dismissed.

Five years!? You are kidding yourself.

Ok l, got it, you truly really do care about the academic status of college kids you aren’t related to. That’s great. Unfortunately the college presidents, conference commissioners, and NCAA, have made it clear they do not care.

So there is a certain contingent of people who can’t accept the new reality and I guess will have to make a decision if they care to continue to watch and cheer for the team or not. I’d imagine based on your position you’ll soon decide you don’t care any longer and stop watching (and certainly stop posting here), especially considering you’ve stated if tomorrow X dropped the basketball program you really wouldn’t care.

[Xville]

about 2000-2020, 20 years and I counted 20 players whom you have listed. That is 1 athlete per year. Certainly that is not every player who left early?

There are others that left early but not due to bb performance, guys like dez wells, mark Lyons, churchill odia, lloyd price, Jason Carter, justin martin

I did miss a few

Mcintosh
Johnny Wolf
Charles Bronson

[paulxu]

If the #7 recruit in the country can "decommit" from Kentucky, are any playesr who have "signed" with a school really on board?
Or do you have to wait until November to be sure.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If the #7 recruit in the country can "decommit" from Kentucky, are any playesr who have "signed" with a school really on board?
Or do you have to wait until November to be sure.

Paul, what does the ranking and the school have to do with it? Maybe you are meaning if it can happen to a blue blood like UK it can to anyone?

I believe the kid decommitted bc UK brought in portal guys in his spot. So I don’t think UK was all that surprised.

But yeah, generally I have always paid very little attention to high school recruiting bc it’s never safe until I see them on campus in uniform.

[paulxu]

Yeah, I was just noting that nothing seems concrete until the opening tip off.
I can't follow all this portal/build a roster movement. That just seemed to indicate that everything is fluid anymore.
Commitments don't really mean anything I guess.

[Xville]

Hugley commits to Duquesne. Injuries just too much for him, or a complete lack of confidence? Hope he does well his last year but man did he drop off from that year at pitt

[xu82]

The four big conference commissioners were on Fox this evening with Brett Baier. All four of them I believe we’re calling for the United States Congress to step in, citing that this complete mess cannot continue if things are defined and governed at the state level.

It probably will take a season or two, but maybe this will get cleaned up to some degree at some point.

So, we are waiting and hoping that the government eventually steps up and saves us. That is not very comforting, to be honest.

[XUGRAD80]

I’ve been a fan since the early 1970’s, when I started HS and really started paying attention to college sports. I’ve followed both major college programs in Cincinnati. I’m not one that loves one and hates the others. I’ve attended both universities, worn the uniform of both, and attended sporting events of all types at both schools. My heart is with X, as is my diploma, but I enjoy watching both schools.

I do find that my emotional connection with the players is definitely waning. I’ll still watch the games. I’ll still read the boards and take an interest in what’s going on with the teams. But, unlike the players that I attended classes with, or got to know over their multiyear stints on campus, these players that come for a year and then leave I feel I have no connection with. I’ve become much more of a “casual” type fan, emotionally. Attending or watching games on TV, either at X or elsewhere, has become more of a social or entertainment activity. I certainly no longer live and die with each victory or loss, like once did.

Part of that is just getting old(er) and having sat through 50+ seasons. But part of it is certainly the changes that have occurred, and are still occurring, to the whole college sports world. I’ve never had the emotional attachment to the players of the Reds and Bengals that I’ve had to players from the colleges that I have proudly attended. But I’m getting to point where I don’t see much difference between either group.

Having said that…I do find it interesting to watch how Pitino is building a roster via the portal.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hugley commits to Duquesne. Injuries just too much for him, or a complete lack of confidence? Hope he does well his last year but man did he drop off from that year at pitt

I feel like maybe it’s more the injuries taking a toll. If there is one thing big John doesn’t lack, it’s confidence!

[hoopster68]

I’ve been a fan since the early 1970’s, when I started HS and really started paying attention to college sports. I’ve followed both major college programs in Cincinnati. I’m not one that loves one and hates the others. I’ve attended both universities, worn the uniform of both, and attended sporting events of all types at both schools. My heart is with X, as is my diploma, but I enjoy watching both schools.

I do find that my emotional connection with the players is definitely waning. I’ll still watch the games. I’ll still read the boards and take an interest in what’s going on with the teams. But, unlike the players that I attended classes with, or got to know over their multiyear stints on campus, these players that come for a year and then leave I feel I have no connection with. I’ve become much more of a “casual” type fan, emotionally. Attending or watching games on TV, either at X or elsewhere, has become more of a social or entertainment activity. I certainly no longer live and die with each victory or loss, like once did.

Part of that is just getting old(er) and having sat through 50+ seasons. But part of it is certainly the changes that have occurred, and are still occurring, to the whole college sports world. I’ve never had the emotional attachment to the players of the Reds and Bengals that I’ve had to players from the colleges that I have proudly attended. But I’m getting to point where I don’t see much difference between either group.

Having said that…I do find it interesting to watch how Pitino is building a roster via the portal.

I am wondering if your feelings/attitude may be widespread among the Muskie faithful. According to some XU has one of the oldest base of season ticket holders in the BE. If many hundreds are like you, what does this say for AFO contributions, season ticket sales and NIL monies going forward? Will the older (and possibly more affluent) choose to stay home and watch games on TV? Or, will a new generation of very affluent grads/supporters step up and provide needed dollars? Any insights?

[Xville]

Tre is on his official today...may hear something on him the next couple of days. Do we hear one way or another on Pozzatto today?

[Caveat]

So, we are waiting and hoping that the government eventually steps up and saves us. That is not very comforting, to be honest.

There's next to 0 chance that any bill regarding college athletics gets through Congress -- the Title IX politics alone would kill anything from getting enough support to pass a filibuster.

The good news is that I expect most, if not all, of the individual state laws governing NIL and college athletics to get struck down as clear violations of the Commerce Clause. It just will take a while for those to move through the court.

[atljar]

Interesting take. There are a lot of people thinking the bill is extremely likely to pass

[Caveat]

Interesting take. There are a lot of people thinking the bill is extremely likely to pass

The House v. NCAA settlement is very, very likely to be adopted by the federal courts -- but that's a federal court decision just on the aspects of if the NCAA regulations on athlete payment amount to anti-trust violations. It doesn't touch the portal or other things everyone wants to be more regulated.

Getting an act of Congress through regulating all things transfer portal, NIL and revenue sharing would likely require an anti-trust exemption being granted to the NCAA and some kind of clarification / carve out of Title IX for revenue share payments. Right now that's an incredibly gray area that the previous Presidential administration's DOE/DOJ thought would be an impediment to revenue share. There's a body of legal scholars and activists who believe male and female athletes should be paid the same in all circumstances (some even extend this to the pro game as well, which is bananas). As it stands right now, one of the first lawsuits that will be filed when the House settlement is approved will be to challenge revenue share on the basis of discriminatory treatment of female athletes (since the overwhelming majority of revenue share dollars will be going to football and men's basketball, where ther revenue is primarily generated).

Getting a legislative fix would require that to be addressed -- and you don't need to follow politics closely right now to know that Title IX is an insanely hot-button issue and you'll have a strong minority (if not majority) of people in the Senate who absolutely will not touch Title IX right now, especially not in a way that treats female athletes as anything less than equal to male athletes in terms of pay.

[bjf123]

I am wondering if your feelings/attitude may be widespread among the Muskie faithful. According to some XU has one of the oldest base of season ticket holders in the BE. If many hundreds are like you, what does this say for AFO contributions, season ticket sales and NIL monies going forward? Will the older (and possibly more affluent) choose to stay home and watch games on TV? Or, will a new generation of very affluent grads/supporters step up and provide needed dollars? Any insights?

I’m also class of 80 and feel the same as XUGRAD80. The connection with the mercenary players of today just isn’t there. I really enjoyed watching the kids develop over their 3-4 year career at X. That won’t happen in the NIL era as currently in effect. Given that X has already said that ticket prices and AFO required contributions are going up, I’m seriously considering not renewing. The amount of the increase will probably be the deciding factor. And this is after upgrading my seats last year to be 8 rows from the floor.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

I’m also class of 80 and feel the same as XUGRAD80. The connection with the mercenary players of today just isn’t there. I really enjoyed watching the kids develop over their 3-4 year career at X. That won’t happen in the NIL era as currently in effect. Given that X has already said that ticket prices and AFO required contributions are going up, I’m seriously considering not renewing. The amount of the increase will probably be the deciding factor. And this is after upgrading my seats last year to be 8 rows from the floor.


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I heard this same sentiment from a 30 year season ticket holder here at ASU. I posted it a couple of times, but I expect to read it and hear it a lot more.

[GoMuskies]

I heard this same sentiment from a 30 year season ticket holder here at ASU. I posted it a couple of times, but I expect to read it and hear it a lot more.

Maybe they'll be replaced by new fans who prefer things the new way. Guess we'll have to wait and see. I can tell you fan apathy is VERY high here in Wichita. Lots of people I know who lived and died with the Shockers back in the day don't even follow the team anymore, and what was always a full house (well before Marshall briefly turned them into a powerhouse) is about half full on average now. A sad situation here.

[drudy23]

I can understand the sentiment.

Winning will convince people to stay. While I'm open to a new path, the program success needs to get back to what it was (and hopefully better). But if the next few years are similar to the past 8, alot of people will be evaluating the same renewal decision.

[Xville]

This is from Goodman so take it with a grain of salt but this is what he came up with after speaking to 25 ish High Major Coaches:

Top 10-15 guys: 2.5 to 4 million
Projected All Conference: 1.5 to 2.5 million
Projected Starter: 500k-million
Bench: 200k-700k

5 million isn't what it used to be lol

[xu82]

Before Covid I used to get back to Cincinnati pretty much every year for a game. Covid ended that, obviously, and now I just don’t care enough to go to Cincinnati during the winter.

I hope we can get back to where I can enjoy this like I used to.

[Caveat]

This is from Goodman so take it with a grain of salt but this is what he came up with after speaking to 25 ish High Major Coaches:

Top 10-15 guys: 2.5 to 4 million
Projected All Conference: 1.5 to 2.5 million
Projected Starter: 500k-million
Bench: 200k-700k

5 million isn't what it used to be lol

Prices are inflated because this is potentially the last year of straight booster pay for rosters.

Incentive is heavy to spend big and cut all your checks before the House settlement potentially takes effect in July and booster-pay becomes illegal.

[Xville]

Prices are inflated because this is potentially the last year of straight booster pay for rosters.

Incentive is heavy to spend big and cut all your checks before the House settlement potentially takes effect in July and booster-pay becomes illegal.

Yeah I just don’t get it. Saw it’s estimated around 15 or so schools will be dropping 10 mil plus.

[Section 200]

Hugley commits to Duquesne. Injuries just too much for him, or a complete lack of confidence? Hope he does well his last year but man did he drop off from that year at pitt

This absolutely shocks me. I was hoping Hugley would return since I'm convinced you can never have enough big guys. Maybe Pinto let him know he wasn't part of the plan? Hopefully he scores 40 vs Dayton!

[Section 200]

Yeah I just don’t get it. Saw it’s estimated around 15 or so schools will be dropping 10 mil plus.

I'm interested to see when the football schools who are now basketball schools will switch back. Auburn had a great team but they finished at the bottom of the SEC football rankings. Alabama had a great basketball team but mised the football playoff. Certainly the basketball NIL could have been used for a receiver or DE or qb that would have improved the team.

[bjf123]

The ticket renewal emails went out today. Looks like my ticket prices are unchanged but the AFO amount went up $50 per seat. That’s not bad.


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[xu82]

Sportscenter is reporting the Tennessee QB is holding out of practice over his deal. Where does this end?

Why should I care?

[Xavier]

A new name X is showing interest in is Montana transfer Malik Moore. He had a scheduled visit with Maryland, he still could go there, but they just got a recruit that is the same style. Carroll seems like a given

Pozzato kid seems like X is leading it but for whatever reason it hasn’t happened yet which leaves me uneasy. But Trilly continues to say his sources saying it’s all but wrapped up and there are no other teams in a serious mix for him. To me, though, just seems like it’s a case where a random ass team pays him a ton and he commits to them. Only reason to wait is to find a time to make a big splash I guess?

[Xville]

A new name X is showing interest in is Montana transfer Malik Moore. He had a scheduled visit with Maryland, he still could go there, but they just got a recruit that is the same style. Carroll seems like a given

Pozzato kid seems like X is leading it but for whatever reason it hasn’t happened yet which leaves me uneasy. But Trilly continues to say his sources saying it’s all but wrapped up and there are no other teams in a serious mix for him. To me, though, just seems like it’s a case where a random ass team pays him a ton and he commits to them. Only reason to wait is to find a time to make a big splash I guess?

I hope pozzato comes, but at this point I’ll be shocked. No inside info, but this has been very very drawn out. Like you said, I think he’s just waiting for someone to swoop in and offer more money. Feel like a game is being played, otherwise like you said why would it take this long?

[XUGRAD80]

I am wondering if your feelings/attitude may be widespread among the Muskie faithful. According to some XU has one of the oldest base of season ticket holders in the BE. If many hundreds are like you, what does this say for AFO contributions, season ticket sales and NIL monies going forward? Will the older (and possibly more affluent) choose to stay home and watch games on TV? Or, will a new generation of very affluent grads/supporters step up and provide needed dollars? Any insights?

My feeling is that it could very well hurt attendance at the games, but I’m not sure which way donations will go. On the one hand, I do have more disposable income that can be used for donations if I don’t buy tickets. One the other hand, will I care enough to donate? I can’t answer that question for others.

As for me, I stopped getting season tickets many years ago when my job changed and I had an hour commute to and from work everyday. Hard to make a Tuesday evening game when you’re not getting home from work until 6:30 or so. I’m retired now, so that’s not a concern, but now my grandkids are playing sports in the evenings and my wife and I travel more often. Attending games in person is just not a high priority in my life. But I do watch every game I can on TV. Probably only miss a live broadcast 1-2 times a season, and I record them and watch them at a later time. I’d guess this is pretty typical for many people that use this forum.

A different perspective though…..I am a season ticket holder for UC FOOTBALL. I love college football, always have, and it’s pretty much the only game in town. I’ve been attending games there since my kids were all little, and they now have teenage kids themselves. So it’s been more than a minute. But football crowds are very different….in my view and based on what I see….from BB crowds. The whole pre-game experience around campus is totally different. The fact that there are only 6 home games a season…and they are usually on a Saturday… makes a huge difference. The games last longer. I see a generally much older crowd at football games than I do BB games. Not only older, but also much larger crowds too. The student section is much much larger of course, too. Football is much more of a SOCIAL activity than BB. Thousands of people spend hours and hours tailgating every home game. There’s a lot of planning that goes into the tailgating too! BB is usually just show up, watch a game, go home. Football is get there 3-4 hours early. Tailgate…eat, drink, play games, socialize…watch the 3 hour game, hang around after the game, drink a beer, let the traffic thin out, then go home. It’s a SOCIAL activity. Therefore, I don’t think that the NIL/transfer portal and all the stuff that goes along with it will effect the fandom of Football fans near as much as it will BB fans. An example is my buddy that is a season ticket holder for both UC football and basketball. He has already decided to let his BB tickets lapse for next year, but is keeping his football tickets.

[Xville]

Seeing a few crystal ball predictions for both Collins and pozzatto for x. If x gets both of those, that puts us in pretty good shape with a well balanced roster of 8 guys. Would be a great start

[Xavier]

Yep. I still think Moore is in play with those two. But if it’s Moore or someone else, I’d bet they still land another big impact player (or two).

Big impact meaning starter or top 7 in rotation.

[MHettel]

Seeing a few crystal ball predictions for both Collins and pozzatto for x. If x gets both of those, that puts us in pretty good shape with a well balanced roster of 8 guys. Would be a great start

Who is Collins and Moore?

[bjf123]

Tre Carroll has committed to X.

https://x.com/paulfritschner/status/1911084420565553627?s=46


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[xuphan]

Tre Carroll has committed to X.

https://x.com/paulfritschner/status/1911084420565553627?s=46


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Worst kept secret. Another piece to the puzzle. Really need the pozzato guy to commit. Also need to land a shot making guard.

[Xville]

Carroll is a great get. Pitino made it known that he was high priority from the jump. Senior leadership, high motor, thick, good shooter and aggressive.

Get pozzatto in and this will be the makings of a solid team

[MHettel]

So far.

PG: Anderson
SG: Wright
SF: Carroll
PF: 2 dudes from NM
C: dudes from UVA & UNLV

Is that right?

Pozzatto would be great and would shore up the 3/4 positions.

For sure need some more depth in the backcourt. Absolutely need a couple more ball handlers.

A more experienced Center would also let us know the plans for the 2 young guys.

Pitino had 10 guys that played in basically every game and played 7 minutes or more. But his top 4 played heavy minutes (31 average). I’ve heard him describe his style and he said guys have to be in shape.

So based on that I’m assuming we’re not done with just 7 guys that are currently ready to play.

The end of the bench might be difficult to fill with anything more than just some warm bodies. Take a guy like Hugley (not Hugley but that kind of guy), probably could be at the end of our bench or getting some PT and rotation minutes at a mid major. I assume most guys would take the latter.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Needs more guards, esp. PG, and 3pt shooters.

[xukeith]

So far.

PG: Anderson
SG: Wright
SF: Carroll
PF: 2 dudes from NM
C: dudes from UVA & UNLV

Is that right?

Pozzatto would be great and would shore up the 3/4 positions.

For sure need some more depth in the backcourt. Absolutely need a couple more ball handlers.

A more experienced Center would also let us know the plans for the 2 young guys.

Pitino had 10 guys that played in basically every game and played 7 minutes or more. But his top 4 played heavy minutes (31 average). I’ve heard him describe his style and he said guys have to be in shape.

So based on that I’m assuming we’re not done with just 7 guys that are currently ready to play.

The end of the bench might be difficult to fill with anything more than just some warm bodies. Take a guy like Hugley (not Hugley but that kind of guy), probably could be at the end of our bench or getting some PT and rotation minutes at a mid major. I assume most guys would take the latter.

Agree. Carroll also is a very good defender. He blocks shots, and is rarely picked on by oposing coaches. Our roster needed a scorer and so far I think he can average double figures.
I hope and wish Pazzato commits to X. Gabriel at the 2/3/4 and Carroll at the 3/4 seem ideal. I would be excited for those 2 plus our athletic and tall frontcourt. 2 more guards would be too much? Or we need a solid pg too?

[MHettel]

Agree. Carroll also is a very good defender. He blocks shots, and is rarely picked on by oposing coaches. Our roster needed a scorer and so far I think he can average double figures.
I hope and wish Pazzato commits to X. Gabriel at the 2/3/4 and Carroll at the 3/4 seem ideal. I would be excited for those 2 plus our athletic and tall frontcourt. 2 more guards would be too much? Or we need a solid pg too?

I have noticed that many of these guys have some “defensive numbers” in their stat line. Both centers could be described as rim protectors. The Filip guy is probably a glue guy and just plays defense within the system. Carroll has some steals and blocks in somewhat limited minutes (22).

With that said, I don’t see Carroll at the 4. 6’7” 233 is a solid, stout 3 in the Big East. He better be hard nosed and tough as nails too. I didn’t see elite athleticism on his highlight reel. Point being, I think he gets demolished as a 4 in the BE. But holds it down at 3.

I think the 2 dudes from NM will man the 4. 6’10” or so for both. Gotta have a 7 footer as your center….

On another note I realized that Pitino coached against Anderson in 3 games 2 years ago. You would think he would have some impression from that….

In 3 games Andersons stats: 83 minutes, 6-22 FG, 2-6 3Pt, 7-11 FT, 7 rebounds, 8 asst, 4 stl, 3 blk, 8 TOs, 13 Fouls, 21 points.

Based on that, I have to assume Pitino is looking to upgrade there. Unless Miller sold him on being on HELLUVA practice player.

[xukeith]

I have noticed that many of these guys have some “defensive numbers” in their stat line. Both centers could be described as rim protectors. The Filip guy is probably a glue guy and just plays defense within the system. Carroll has some steals and blocks in somewhat limited minutes (22).

With that said, I don’t see Carroll at the 4. 6’7” 233 is a solid, stout 3 in the Big East. He better be hard nosed and tough as nails too. I didn’t see elite athleticism on his highlight reel. Point being, I think he gets demolished as a 4 in the BE. But holds it down at 3.

I think the 2 dudes from NM will man the 4. 6’10” or so for both. Gotta have a 7 footer as your center….

On another note I realized that Pitino coached against Anderson in 3 games 2 years ago. You would think he would have some impression from that….

In 3 games Andersons stats: 83 minutes, 6-22 FG, 2-6 3Pt, 7-11 FT, 7 rebounds, 8 asst, 4 stl, 3 blk, 8 TOs, 13 Fouls, 21 points.

Based on that, I have to assume Pitino is looking to upgrade there. Unless Miller sold him on being on HELLUVA practice player.

Joe Tipton on Twitter says X landed Pazzato. If true, that would get me excited.

[FlagshipX10]

Gabriel Pozzato! Exciting pickup.

[bjf123]

Great day today with two solid commitments!


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[xuphan]

Great day today with two solid commitments!


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Props to Richard and staff. Putting together a nice portal class.

[Xville]

Boom! That’s the big one. Athletic as hell, can put the ball in the basket what a freaking start to the roster. Grab two more guards and then whatever to fill out the roster. Master class

[xukeith]

Word on the street says Pazzato was offered a ton of $ from BYU. BYU chooses another player and now X gets this huge get. Roster is filling out nicely today.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I wonder how much NIL $ is still available to get some guards.

[Three Point Pete]

On another note I realized that Pitino coached against Anderson in 3 games 2 years ago. You would think he would have some impression from that….

In 3 games Andersons stats: 83 minutes, 6-22 FG, 2-6 3Pt, 7-11 FT, 7 rebounds, 8 asst, 4 stl, 3 blk, 8 TOs, 13 Fouls, 21 points.

Based on that, I have to assume Pitino is looking to upgrade there. Unless Miller sold him on being on HELLUVA practice player.

If Roddie is our starting PG, Lord in heaven help us!

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[94GRAD]

If Roddie is our starting PG, Lord in heaven help us!

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Why do you think this? Have you seen him in practice?

[MHettel]

Why do you think this? Have you seen him in practice?

I mean, has Pitino?

[XUGRAD80]

This could end up being one of the more impactful days in recent Xavier U BB history.

[MHettel]

This could end up being one of the more impactful days in recent Xavier U BB history.

What, Hugley leaving?

I agree

[Xavier]

Word on the street says Pazzato was offered a ton of $ from BYU. BYU chooses another player and now X gets this huge get. Roster is filling out nicely today.

X offered more. (Reportedly, no inside info) But BYU did offer a lot and the conversation ended after BYU went another direction.

I still think Moore is the next target to keep an eye on.

[muskiefan82]

If Pitino can get an Olivari type guard, they might really have something

[D-West & PO-Z]

X offered more. (Reportedly, no inside info) But BYU did offer a lot and the conversation ended after BYU went another direction.

I still think Moore is the next target to keep an eye on.

Who is moore? First name and last school? Thanks!

[Xavier]

Montana transfer Malik Moore. Visiting Maryland, Illinois had a zoom call at some point. Didn’t dig much into it just saw X is a name that popped up later and is working on scheduling a visit.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dvAWiwPfVNY&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.com% 2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2F247sports.co m&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE

[Xavier]

With that said, I don’t see Carroll at the 4. 6’7” 233 is a solid, stout 3 in the Big East. He better be hard nosed and tough as nails too. I didn’t see elite athleticism on his highlight reel. Point being, I think he gets demolished as a 4 in the BE. But holds it down at 3.

I think the 2 dudes from NM will man the 4. 6’10” or so for both. Gotta have a 7 footer as your center….
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I think right now we’re seeing a bunch of guys that will be pretty versatile among traditional positions. Carroll is thick enough and tough enough to defend the 4, but definitely can defend and play the 3. The NM guys I mix up, but the younger one is described as basically a 6’10 SG. So I think he can play the 3 and 4.

Pozzato is solid enough at 6’7 to play the 2 and the 3, IMO.

All this before the roster is filled out, depending who else we get maybe more defined roles come but I just see a lot of different options and versatility. Also the Center from Virginia is only 6’10 but known to be a rim protector.

[Xville]

I’d like one more ball hander for sure and probably one more 2 pure sg. After that fill in wherever as needed.

Lou will love this. One of my buddies who I was hanging with tonight is very good friends with pitino’s sister, and he said he will not be here for the long haul. I don’t think that should really surprise anyone in today’s landscape but hey if he is here for 5-7 years and leaves the program better than he found it, that’s good for me. Get us back to perennially getting to the second weekend with chances at a final four and that’s good for me.

[xukeith]

Anybody know if X is pursuing a solid pg and/or sg besides Moore? Big Sky conference is extremely weak.

[Xavier]

Trilly has put the Moore prediction to X. Usually only does it if 100%. Some pretty high caliber teams (Maryland, Illinois, etc) had interest in Moore. Agree tough to tell with the completion but worth the shot IMO. Liked the highlights at least lol.

Never did I expect Pitino (or anyone) to be here for the long haul. I thought Mack would. Then when Miller came back I thought he could, too. Now I don’t really see it at all.

[Xville]

Trilly has put the Moore prediction to X. Usually only does it if 100%. Some pretty high caliber teams (Maryland, Illinois, etc) had interest in Moore.

Never did I expect Pitino (or anyone) to be here for the long haul. I thought Mack would. Then when Miller came back I thought he could, too. Now I don’t really see it at all.

Is he more of a 2 guard I assume?

Yeah I mean I don’t think we can expect anyone to stay at x long, and that’s ok. Just do everything you can while you are here and don’t have one foot out the door like miller obviously had as soon as he stepped on campus. Leave the place better than you found it. Yeah we made the tourney, but I don’t think miller left it better… fuck that guy. I really hope karma is coming for him.

[Three Point Pete]

Why do you think this? Have you seen him in practice?I just watched some video, and he didn't look like a BE point guard. Stats are not impressive, especially assists/turn over ratio.

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[Xavier]

Yeah, 2 guard. He did shoot 41% from 3. While agreed it’s hard to truly tell from Big Sky, I like the swing. Apparently it’s official now (his commitment) For having 0 players, I think the roster is looking solid. Frankly, I think the staff has taken some good swings on Wright/Pazzotto/Moore.

I’m diggin the potential size we can roll out.
PG- 6’3
SG-6’5
SF- 6’7
PF 6’10
C- 6’10 (or 7)

To put Moore into perspective- he was ranked 73 in the portal (#15 SG) while Pozzato was ranked 76. (Though I’m more excited about Pozzato)

[X Factor]

To put Moore into perspective- he was ranked 73 in the portal (#15 SG) while Pozzato was ranked 76. (Though I’m more excited about Pozzato)

Ya, I think Pozzato's potential is very high - NBA high if he continues to develop.

Malik will be needed next year though to provide some perimeter shooting, which it looks like can do at an excellent clip.

This team is going to look nothing like what we're used to seeing from an X team from a length and size standpoint.

Pitino hit the ground running and is putting together some excellent pieces for next year. Him and his guys have done great so far.

[FishingXfan]

Yeah, what a difference a day makes. Pozzato, Moore and Carrol in one Saturday awesome! I think we need a starting pg to compete with Anderson and I’d bet another senior on the cheap or two to round out the roster. Good job and congrats on the day coach Pitino!!! Let’s go X!


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[XUGRAD80]

This could end up being one of the more impactful days in recent Xavier U BB history.


I’ll say it again.

[Xville]

What a day! Fantastic job by pitino and staff. One more ball handler and the roster is pretty much set save for some fill ins. Amazing! All kinds of length, athleticism, shot makers. Don’t want to wish summer away but next year looks exciting!

[XUGRAD80]

We e not seen ANY of these players playing for X, or playing with each other. And there are probably at least 2 more players that will be added (I’ve no idea who!). But it’s nice to see a roster that shapes up to be on of the tallest in recent memory. A little more guard depth and I think that they are well set. With so many players on this roster moving up a level, I’ve no idea how competitive they will be against BE and other major college squads. It will also take some time for them to come together and become a real team that plays well together. Lastly, we really don’t know how the coaching staff will jive with the players and how quickly they can install a system and get the players playing it.

But I would think that Coach Pitino has to be thrilled with his roster at this point. It seems that he has landed darn near every player that they have targeted.

[94GRAD]

I mean, has Pitino?

Well, he played against him three times two years ago when he was at Boise and Rick was at New Mexico. He's also seen him enough shooting around and working out to offer him to stay. And the question was to Three Point Pete as to why we would be in trouble if Roddie is our starting PG. There is ZERO doubt in my mind he has NEVER seen him play/practice.

[94GRAD]

I just watched some video, and he didn't look like a BE point guard. Stats are not impressive, especially assists/turn over ratio.

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The great thing about being a good coach is that you can teach players to play better and smarter.

[Xavier]

Wasn’t his strength defense? Known as really solid on ball D, could drive a little but a poor shot. I think he’s a fine PG that matches the style defensively. Would be fine if he is starter but don’t doubt the staff will bring in another pg.

[Xavier]

Wasn’t his strength defense? Known as really solid on ball D, could drive a little but a poor shot. I think he’s a fine PG that matches the style defensively. Would be fine if he is starter but don’t doubt the staff will bring in another pg.

[MHettel]

Well, he played against him three times two years ago when he was at Boise and Rick was at New Mexico. He's also seen him enough shooting around and working out to offer him to stay. And the question was to Three Point Pete as to why we would be in trouble if Roddie is our starting PG. There is ZERO doubt in my mind he has NEVER seen him play/practice.

I’m the one that posted Roddies stats in those 3 games. It’s awful. So we can discuss observing practice all day, but Pitino watched 83 minutes of game action and saw 6-22 shooting, 8 TOs and 13 Fouls.

So there’s that

[Xville]

I’m the one that posted Roddies stats in those 3 games. It’s awful. So we can discuss observing practice all day, but Pitino watched 83 minutes of game action and saw 6-22 shooting, 8 TOs and 13 Fouls.

So there’s that

And yet he still kept him. So what’s that tell you? At worst, he sees him as a viable backup so maybe coaches know more than us? I’m sure pitino will get one more ball handler, who knows at what kind of level. Then our roster will be pretty much set. Love the job pitino and staff have done so quickly

[94GRAD]

I’m the one that posted Roddies stats in those 3 games. It’s awful. So we can discuss observing practice all day, but Pitino watched 83 minutes of game action and saw 6-22 shooting, 8 TOs and 13 Fouls.

So there’s that

He also saw tape of the other games he played in all year. What were his stats in those games? Again, Richard knows what he's getting and what more he can get out of him.

[MHettel]

He also saw tape of the other games he played in all year. What were his stats in those games? Again, Richard knows what he's getting and what more he can get out of him.

I’m not debating that he’s obviously got a role for next year. I think Anderson probably fits the defensive scheme Pitino wants to play. I’m simply wondering WHAT role Roddie will have.

We need another ballhandler, that much is clear. Will he be a guy that is an obvious starter and Roddie is just an experienced backup? Of vice versa. Or maybe a 2 headed monster where each guy pretty much split time with the other.

If we are playing ball pressure defense and want to run offensively, then depth will be a key advantage (or disadvantage if it’s lacking). I’d feel great if we brought in another PG that has at least 1-2 years as a starter on some lime major level. Let those 2 battle it out and the “loser” still get 17-18 minutes a game.

[Three Point Pete]

Wasn’t his strength defense? Known as really solid on ball D, could drive a little but a poor shot. I think he’s a fine PG that matches the style defensively. Would be fine if he is starter but don’t doubt the staff will bring in another pg.I remember that Sean said his strengh was his speed, and even faster than Dayvion from baseline to baseline. Agreed, he is a good defender. However, I would hope our PG can finish and score. I don't agree that he "would be fine" as starting PG. In my opinion, a "fine" PG like Posh Alexander, was able to average 10 pts. shooting 44%, and was 2+ in asst/TO ratio.


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[Xville]

Current Roster:

Borovicanin- 6'9
Carroll - 6'7
Moore - 6'5
Anderson - 6'3
Wright - 6'3
Robinson - 6'10
Pape - 7'0
Milicevic - 6'10
Pozzato - 6'7

May not have as skilled a team offensively, but lots of length for much better defense, rebounding and some toughness. Get one more ball handler, and maybe another 6'9 or 6'10 dude? This is going to be fun!

Gotta think we are close to that 5 million number...maybe another good ball handler with some skill but id think anything after that are going to just be fill ins unless a high dollar donor throws another million on the table.

[bleedXblue]

Current Roster:

Borovicanin- 6'9
Carroll - 6'7
Moore - 6'5
Anderson - 6'3
Wright - 6'3
Robinson - 6'10
Pape - 7'0
Milicevic - 6'10
Pozzato - 6'7

May not have as skilled a team offensively, but lots of length for much better defense, rebounding and some toughness. Get one more ball handler, and maybe another 6'9 or 6'10 dude? This is going to be fun!

Gotta think we are close to that 5 million number...maybe another good ball handler with some skill but id think anything after that are going to just be fill ins unless a high dollar donor throws another million on the table.

Hard to see an alpha dog on this team and a guy who wants the ball when we need a bucket. Of course, a lot of unknowns and next year may be a year of scoring by committee. Would like to see another scoring guard if something develops and a back up PG is still a need.

[Xville]

Hard to see an alpha dog on this team and a guy who wants the ball when we need a bucket. Of course, a lot of unknowns and next year may be a year of scoring by committee. Would like to see another scoring guard if something develops and a back up PG is still a need.

I think we have several alpha dogs..Carroll, Pozzato, Wright all have that kind of "it" factor you look for. Pozzato especially is going to be the guy that other teams love to hate. I agree though on the ball handler...probably need another. I'm sure wright and Moore can here and there but another primary pg would be nice to have.

[Caveat]

Current Roster:

Borovicanin- 6'9
Carroll - 6'7
Moore - 6'5
Anderson - 6'3
Wright - 6'3
Robinson - 6'10
Pape - 7'0
Milicevic - 6'10
Pozzato - 6'7

May not have as skilled a team offensively, but lots of length for much better defense, rebounding and some toughness. Get one more ball handler, and maybe another 6'9 or 6'10 dude? This is going to be fun!

Gotta think we are close to that 5 million number...maybe another good ball handler with some skill but id think anything after that are going to just be fill ins unless a high dollar donor throws another million on the table.

Feels a little like a Mick Cronin team.

Measurables off the chart, should defend and rebound a ton -- offense? Eh...

[GoMuskies]

We should have a pretty solid idea of whether this roster is any good in about....8 months.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I would not be surprised to see the team get another PG or two. Miller like Anderson here, not at Texas but certainly here. That said, Miller's talent evaluation was not that great. Pitino's staff and his evaluation of talent is very good. Just looking at the roster, I question how good they will be next year but I expect some to stay and improve every year. That is Pitino's model.

[drudy23]

I guess we will see how good Miller and his staff really were when it comes to roster construction. Was never really thrilled with his staff, tbh.

I think we all felt that it was pretty average, but will be a very interesting comparison.

If Miller floats around in mid tier Big 12, I think we can put to rest the "he's one of the best in the country". He has to do more to be in that conversation.

[94GRAD]

I guess we will see how good Miller and his staff really were when it comes to roster construction. Was never really thrilled with his staff, tbh.

I think we all felt that it was pretty average, but will be a very interesting comparison.

If Miller floats around in mid tier Big 12, I think we can put to rest the "he's one of the best in the country". He has to do more to be in that conversation.

That's going to be tough when he's playing in the SEC.

[drudy23]

That's going to be tough when he's playing in the SEC.

OK, even tougher.

[bleedXblue]

Feels a little like a Mick Cronin team.

Measurables off the chart, should defend and rebound a ton -- offense? Eh...

Agree 100%

I dont see a guy whos a proven scorer that we can go to. Would be nice to see us add that soon.

[Xavier]

I think we have a few guys who have shown they can score. All Wright averaged almost 16 a game and averaged 25 ppg in his conference tournament. As a Freshman I think that’s impressive regardless the conference.

But overall, I don’t think we have a guy that’s going to average 17. But like 4-5 guys that will end up between 9-13 ppg. Both Wright and Pozzato play with edge to them, I don’t see either being afraid to take the shots.

But in general, yeah. Mick ideology (defense, rebounding) +fast pace offense (NM was like 3rd in country in fast pace points)

[94GRAD]

Teams that have spent the most on TRANSFERS only so far this off-season.

https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1911830562555466059

[Xavier]

To be clear that’s an estimate, I don’t believe we’ve spent that. According to the spaces last night- X feels like they are in a good spot, they have money to make a big splash but are committed to not overpaying for a splash. But they certainly have the money left to get another solid player or two.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I hope X has enough $ left for a decent pg.

[IM4X]

Teams that have spent the most on TRANSFERS only so far this off-season.

https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1911830562555466059


We are on that list but Louisville is not? Hard to believe we’ve spent more than they did. Not saying it isn’t possible, but it looked like they were literally throwing money at some top tier transfers I thought I saw they picked up (including Conwell).

[Xville]

We are on that list but Louisville is not? Hard to believe we’ve spent more than they did. Not saying it isn’t possible, but it looked like they were literally throwing money at some top tier transfers I thought I saw they picked up (including Conwell).

My guess is that we are probably close...remember it said transfers only and they only signed three and they were all guards who are typically "cheaper."

My guess is that they have spent around 4 and X the same as far as transfers.

[MHettel]

Teams that have spent the most on TRANSFERS only so far this off-season.

https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1911830562555466059

Yawn.

This is just some guy that has decided that he’s capable of estimating the market value of these players in spite of basically no hard data actually coming from the market? So first, I’d give the estimates at least a 30% margin of error.

And second, why just focus on NIL for guys coming from the portal? I mean, had we kept Conwell and Swain, we would have spent about 2 M less of the guys we got (or whatever amount). But that doesn’t mean we didn’t spent AT LEAST 2M to keep those guys.

It’s just a dumb metric. We had 1 returning guy. Of COURSE we are going to spend a bunch in the portal.

But a team bringing back 8 guys may have already committed 5M to their roster and won’t be spending much in the portal at all.

I’m just looking at this and asking myself “and….”

[D-West & PO-Z]

While keeping in mind that it’s an estimate, I think it’s pretty useful for us to see specifically for Xavier as it’s gives us a relative idea of what X’s total NIL spending is since we needed to acquire a whole team. Good to see the numbers that have been floated out there of our total NIL amount being around 5.5 mil seem to be pretty accurate. Even if that’s off and we’ve spent less so far, with Roddy (already on the roster) and some additions still to be made, I think we can all feel good about Xavier’s NIL capabilities considering it’s at or above 5-5.5 million.

[GoMuskies]

Who are the people kicking in for this? I'm pretty surprised that Xavier's collective (or whoever is handling this) can put out a call and $5-5.5 million to pay players arrives.

[XUGRAD80]

Who are the people kicking in for this? I'm pretty surprised that Xavier's collective (or whoever is handling this) can put out a call and $5-5.5 million to pay players arrives.

I don’t think that it’s all just collective (the final 2%) money here. My guess that schools are moving forward with the idea that the legal settlement will be approved and that they will be able to pay the players directly from athletic department revenue, along with whatever it is that the collective raises. These totals are based on what a player will make over the course of the agreement, they are not lump payments. In the past the payments have been made on a monthly basis. I’ve no idea exactly when the payments begin, or when they end, either. My guess is that they begin when the players enroll in school and end when they no longer enrolled. But that’s just a guess.

[xukeith]

Would our GM and head coach (Pitino) want to spend every dime before July 1? I wonder if the NIL bank balance is withdrawn and distributed monthly or weekly?

[XUBison]

Who are the people kicking in for this? I'm pretty surprised that Xavier's collective (or whoever is handling this) can put out a call and $5-5.5 million to pay players arrives.

Right? Why couldn’t we keep our coaches?

[JTG]

$5.5 mil for X is not nearly as unbelievable as reports Butler has $5 mil. Butler has always been the poor cousin of the Big East. There is really nothing in Hinkle to generate money.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Traore to Texas, both teams I follow lost every single player. ASU and us, it's nuts. Neither kept any of their players form last year, the new guys are all mysteries.

[xudash]

$5.5 mil for X is not nearly as unbelievable as reports Butler has $5 mil. Butler has always been the poor cousin of the Big East. There is really nothing in Hinkle to generate money.

Had there been no Brad Stevens, there never would’ve been the A10 and then a rather miraculous uplift to the Big East. They have an historic arena. Good for them. I’ll take the Cintas Center all day long.

The Big East membership was a stretch for Butter and their results are tracking that fact.

[bjf123]

I think that’s going to be much more common unless they get into NIL or direct payment contracts with some teeth to them.


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[JTG]

Had there been no Brad Stevens, there never would’ve been the A10 and then a rather miraculous uplift to the Big East. They have an historic arena. Good for them. I’ll take the Cintas Center all day long.

The Big East membership was a stretch for Butter and their results are tracking that fact.

Which begs a question that's hard to figure. Why has DePaul been such a total failure for such an extended number of years? With all their resources and rich recruiting area, why are they such a disaster?

[xudash]

Which begs a question that's hard to figure. Why has DePaul been such a total failure for such an extended number of years? With all their resources and rich recruiting area, why are they such a disaster?

That’s a great and fair question.

Remember them not wanting to have anything to do with us during the early conference days?

[A Fan]

[QUOTE=XUGRAD80;803788]I don’t think that it’s all just collective (the final 2%) money here. My guess that schools are moving forward with the idea that the legal settlement will be approved and that they will be able to pay the players directly from athletic department revenue, along with whatever it is that the collective raises. These totals are based on what a player will make over the course of the agreement, they are not lump payments. In the past the payments have been made on a monthly basis. I’ve no idea exactly when the payments begin, or when they end, either. My guess is that they begin when the players enroll in school and end when they no longer enrolled. But that’s just a guess.[/QUOTE

At a place like Xavier, where there’s no football but solid men’s and women’s hoops and a pretty even mix of other sports, the Title IX stuff gets tricky fast. Once the school’s cutting checks — and especially if we’re moving from 1099s to W-2s — it’s not just NIL anymore, it’s official compensation. That means gender equity rules kick in, and schools are gonna have to watch how they spread that money around.The women are going to be hugely benefited by donors wanting to pay male basketball players .

[GoMuskies]

The Education Department has already said payment to athletes as revenue sharing will not be subject to Title IX requirements. So that should be good for the next four years.

[XUGRAD80]

At a place like Xavier, where there’s no football but solid men’s and women’s hoops and a pretty even mix of other sports, the Title IX stuff gets tricky fast. Once the school’s cutting checks — and especially if we’re moving from 1099s to W-2s — it’s not just NIL anymore, it’s official compensation. That means gender equity rules kick in, and schools are gonna have to watch how they spread that money around.The women are going to be hugely benefited by donors wanting to pay male basketball players .

The threat to universities in regard to TitileIX legislation is the having federal funds cut off because of the government determining that the university is not adhering to government policies. The PRIOR administration of the Department of Education said that it would lean toward including the payments to athletes in T9 considerations. The CURRENT administration says that they won’t.

[JEHARDI]

The threat to universities in regard to TitileIX legislation is the having federal funds cut off because of the government determining that the university is not adhering to government policies. The PRIOR administration of the Department of Education said that it would lean toward including the payments to athletes in T9 considerations. The CURRENT administration says that they won’t.

Not sure any of it really matters, the big football schools will break off and create their own rules at some point and their revenue advantage will make it impossible for schools without major football programs to compete with them.

[drudy23]

Not sure any of it really matters, the big football schools will break off and create their own rules at some point and their revenue advantage will make it impossible for schools without major football programs to compete with them.

Yup.

The power players always find a way to sway things to their advantage. That's what money does.

[Xville]

Not sure any of it really matters, the big football schools will break off and create their own rules at some point and their revenue advantage will make it impossible for schools without major football programs to compete with them.

I wish they would have a long time ago. That would have avoided a lot of this in terms of the gigantic mega conferences and things like the pac dissolving, and ucla/usc and Oregon being in the big ten.

[XUGRAD80]

I wish they would have a long time ago. That would have avoided a lot of this in terms of the gigantic mega conferences and things like the pac dissolving, and ucla/usc and Oregon being in the big ten.

I agree. I wish they already had. However, I do think that when they do they probably take most of the Tv money with them.

[A Fan]

The threat to universities in regard to TitileIX legislation is the having federal funds cut off because of the government determining that the university is not adhering to government policies. The PRIOR administration of the Department of Education said that it would lean toward including the payments to athletes in T9 considerations. The CURRENT administration says that they won’t.
You are correct what the prior and current administrations said about Title 1X. But what they said applied to payments from collectives. The issue is when the payments come directly from the university not a third party collective ( if you believe they are independent. ). Once payments start from the university they can’t hide behind a collective and the courts will decide.

[GoMuskies]

That's incorrect.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/43809645/dept-education-revokes-guidance-title-ix-athlete-pay

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don’t think that it’s all just collective (the final 2%) money here. My guess that schools are moving forward with the idea that the legal settlement will be approved and that they will be able to pay the players directly from athletic department revenue, along with whatever it is that the collective raises. These totals are based on what a player will make over the course of the agreement, they are not lump payments. In the past the payments have been made on a monthly basis. I’ve no idea exactly when the payments begin, or when they end, either. My guess is that they begin when the players enroll in school and end when they no longer enrolled. But that’s just a guess.

I don’t think so. It would be pretty shocking for X to make financial commitments to players hoping something happens that may or may not happen. Plus I don’t think the 5 mil number is far off what we have been paying which would only have been in NIL

[muskiefan82]

Skillings to Baylor? What has happened to Baylor?

[XUGRAD80]

I don’t think so. It would be pretty shocking for X to make financial commitments to players hoping something happens that may or may not happen. Plus I don’t think the 5 mil number is far off what we have been paying which would only have been in NIL

It’s not just them “hoping”. We fans don’t know how individual agreements are set up. All we can do is speculate on them. So I’m not going to say what is and what isn’t a fact. But everything that I’ve read points to the idea that universities expect the compromise made to be accepted by the court, and that they are moving forward with the expectation that it will go into effect in the very near future.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It’s not just them “hoping”. We fans don’t know how individual agreements are set up. All we can do is speculate on them. So I’m not going to say what is and what isn’t a fact. But everything that I’ve read points to the idea that universities expect the compromise made to be accepted by the court, and that they are moving forward with the expectation that it will go into effect in the very near future.

Yeah I understand that is the expectation but I don’t think that’s influenced what they’ve spent this offseason. I would maybe buy that if the number being reported was all of a sudden way higher than the numbers we’ve heard in the past but that 5mil is right in line. So they’ve previously (reportedly) spent that in previous season(s) and it was all NIL.

[Xville]

If Roddie's game equals what he has been doing on social media lately, he's going to be one hell of a fun guy to watch next year.

From what has been said, I think he's going to be a great fit for what Pitino wants to do...push push push and aggressive d. Do not discount the growth he has experienced with a full year of practice..learning to limit turnovers and develop his shot.

Paul mentioned on his show last night that he expects 1-2 more guys added to the roster...makes sense. One more ball handler i'd think and maybe another big?

[Xville]

Craft commits to ga tech. Will be interesting to see if he can play at this level.

[bleedXblue]

Craft commits to ga tech. Will be interesting to see if he can play at this level.

I think he's a spot up shooter that cant do much else......hope he finds some good PT

[drudy23]

Georgia Tech - talk about a program that's fallen off the face of the earth.

[Dblue]

If Roddie's game equals what he has been doing on social media lately, he's going to be one hell of a fun guy to watch next year.

From what has been said, I think he's going to be a great fit for what Pitino wants to do...push push push and aggressive d. Do not discount the growth he has experienced with a full year of practice..learning to limit turnovers and develop his shot.

Paul mentioned on his show last night that he expects 1-2 more guys added to the roster...makes sense. One more ball handler i'd think and maybe another big?

I watched Paul's show this morning, there were several things I found encouraging for Roddie as PG next year. Roddie admitted freshman year was just playing with his talents, Boise St was about learning how to be a point guard but wasn't his style of basketball, last season he learned a lot from practicing against McKnight (getting back on defense quickly, pushing the ball and not just going fast). He also made reference to the work on his jumper and how much it is improved from putting in the work this past year.

The other thing that caught my attention was in looking forward to playing UC at 5/3 in 2 years!

[X-band '01]

Georgia Tech - talk about a program that's fallen off the face of the earth.

They didn't do jack until Bobby Cremins built up that program anyway. Paul Hewitt getting them to the national championship game in 2004 now seems like a complete aberration.

[drudy23]

Paul Hewitt getting them to the national championship game in 2004 now seems like a complete aberration.

I honestly have zero recollection of this.

[GoMuskies]

I honestly have zero recollection of this.

I remember it all too well, because I was in Atlanta for the Final Five as they won their regional.

[paulxu]

I remember it all too well, because I was in Atlanta for the Final Five as they won their regional.

:cursingmad::cursingmad:

[D-West & PO-Z]

I remember it all too well, because I was in Atlanta for the Final Five as they won their regional.

Me too!

[SkyWalker]

Anyone have names that X may still be interested in from the portal? Haven't seen any names lately.

[muskiefan82]

Hope they are at least looking at Xaivian Lee

[94GRAD]

Hope they are at least looking at Xaivian Lee

Xaivian's price tag is going to be in the 2mil range

[muskiefan82]

Xaivian's price tag is going to be in the 2mil range

If they have it, he is worth it

[xu82]

If they have it, he is worth it

There is a search party looking under all the couch cushions as we speak!

I enjoyed it more when this didn’t feel so desperate and financial. I generally like transparency, but not when they are making this particular sausage.

[FishingXfan]

I heard the Xavian Lee kid signed with the Gators.


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[Three Point Pete]

I heard the Xavian Lee kid signed with the Gators.


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[Olsingledigit]

I thought X had two freshman recruits. I know one withdrew but what happened to the second one?

[profson]

I thought X had two freshman recruits. I know one withdrew but what happened to the second one?

same

[XUGRAD80]

I thought X had two freshman recruits. I know one withdrew but what happened to the second one?

Both have decided to reopen their recruitments.

[xuphan]

Both have decided to reopen their recruitments.

Is X going after the former New Mexico PG commit? Think he is a top 150 recruit in the 2025 class.

[Xville]

Is X going after the former New Mexico PG commit? Think he is a top 150 recruit in the 2025 class.

He already committed to Stanford.

[XUGRAD80]

Is X going after the former New Mexico PG commit? Think he is a top 150 recruit in the 2025 class.

West coast kid. As Ville said, he is going to Stanford.

I don’t expect any freshman recruits this year. It’s going to take Pitino a little time to build up his eastern contacts. I image that is one of the reasons that the transferred he has gone after (and gotten) tend to have multiple years of eligibility left.

[A Fan]

There is a search party looking under all the couch cushions as we speak!

I enjoyed it more when this didn’t feel so desperate and financial. I generally like transparency, but not when they are making this particular sausage.



I’ve followed Xavier basketball for years, and I guess paying the “student-athletes” — are we still calling them that? — is finally starting to settle in. I’m just glad I don’t have to personally fund our guys to put on a Xavier jersey. They must be worth what they’re getting paid if someone’s willing to pay it. Tu I:am happy/I don’t know what they are actually getting paid. I would divide their compensation by the number of games they play and after each game ask whether a 21 year old kid deserved [ $ 50 K +] for that performance knowing that most 21 year old college graduates won’t make $ 50 K their first year out of college.

[drudy23]

I’ve followed Xavier basketball for years, and I guess paying the “student-athletes” — are we still calling them that? — is finally starting to settle in. I’m just glad I don’t have to personally fund our guys to put on a Xavier jersey. They must be worth what they’re getting paid if someone’s willing to pay it. Tu I:am happy/I don’t know what they are actually getting paid. I would divide their compensation by the number of games they play and after each game ask whether a 21 year old kid deserved [ $ 50 K +] for that performance knowing that most 21 year old college graduates won’t make $ 50 K their first year out of college.

Well, I would also argue greedy people pushed the envelope too far when it came to making boatloads of money off of other's talents.

I get both sides, but paying these players isn't as taboo as people make it out to be. Most entry level college graduates don't have insane, top 2% basketball skills either. I'd imagine the top 2% of every industry is doing just fine coming off of graduation.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

For Pitino, I would guess with 9 total players he is going to look for more value with his last four spots. I know Maddox was a guy we grabbed late who thought he would get a bigger role. I think with the number of players in the portal there will be a few like him later in the process.

[Xville]

For Pitino, I would guess with 9 total players he is going to look for more value with his last four spots. I know Maddox was a guy we grabbed late who thought he would get a bigger role. I think with the number of players in the portal there will be a few like him later in the process.

Paul and Rick have said there will be 1-2 players max left. I think because one they want everyone to "eat" a bit next year to keep them engaged and in the program, and two they are probably close on the money left available aside from one more impact player.

[Olsingledigit]

Paul and Rick have said there will be 1-2 players max left. I think because one they want everyone to "eat" a bit next year to keep them engaged and in the program, and two they are probably close on the money left available aside from one more impact player.

That’s ok if you have no injuries like Traore last year.

[Xville]

That’s ok if you have no injuries like Traore last year.

True. We will end up with 10-11 guys and multiple guys at every single position. One thing miller did not do in the three years he was here was account for injuries plus he’s a pos. pitino has loaded up with several guys in he frontcourt, so I’m not as worried if one guy goes down.

With that said, we are due for some good luck on that front!

[XUBison]

True. We will end up with 10-11 guys and multiple guys at every single position. One thing miller did not do in the three years he was here was account for injuries plus he’s a pos. pitino has loaded up with several guys in he frontcourt, so I’m not as worried if one guy goes down.

With that said, we are due for some good luck on that front!

Knock on wood, please.

[Xville]

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4897261/isaiah-walker

Another committ. This is tyrice walkers son.

Another guard…kinda strange pick tbh with who is already in the fold. Not a great shooter, not a ballhandler from what I can tell. Good rebounder for his position. This is the first commit that I haven’t really understood. Just seems like a jag.

[muskiefan82]

Okay if this is a depth guy with an X dad who just wanted to come home

[FishingXfan]

I like the pick up, good developmental piece. Can we get another scoring pg please. A sr maybe. Who can score lol.


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[Xville]

I like the pick up, good developmental piece. Can we get another scoring pg please. A sr maybe. Who can score lol.


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Next year is his last, so not really developmental. Depth piece I guess, just doesn’t really seem like he fills a need, but whatever

[Xavier]

Seems like a guy that has length and size. He was a solid rebounder and was the teams best defender. Honestly seems like a good depth piece if he is here strictly for Defense/rebounding role. He can come in a play multiple positions with his size. Not someone I’d expect a big role in. But again, with his size he should be able to play two positions so good piece for foul trouble Situations.

Is Wright going to be PG? From his highlights it seemed like he some decent stuff off the dribble.

[FishingXfan]

Next year is his last, so not really developmental. Depth piece I guess, just doesn’t really seem like he fills a need, but whatever

You’re right I just read he will be a senior next year. I’m guessing he may have came home for a hometown discount considering his dad went to Hamilton High School, then went on to X. I have no inside info at all here, but maybe he reached out to X and coming home to play where his dad did, not to mention he grew up in Wyoming and played at LaSalle. Doesn’t seem like a future pro. So this could set him up for the future here in Cincinnati like his dad. I believe his dad may have transferred in from somewhere, graduated and has a successful realty business. Or used to. Not sure.


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[Three Point Pete]

Seems like a guy that has length and size. He was a solid rebounder and was the teams best defender. Honestly seems like a good depth piece if he is here strictly for Defense/rebounding role. He can come in a play multiple positions with his size. Not someone I’d expect a big role in. But again, with his size he should be able to play two positions so good piece for foul trouble Situations.

Is Wright going to be PG? From his highlights it seemed like he some decent stuff off the dribble.Isaiah is listed as the shooting guard, but he is quick. Maybe we could think of him as Adam Kunkel 2.0.

If you watch his You Tube highlights video, he made a high arcing three pointer over the jumping All Wright in a Valpo game. And a cool transition finish in the Evansville game when Pozatto chases him all the way back across the timeline, and is about half a step too late.

Agree he will play both positions, and maybe disrupt on defense kinda like Foster.

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[XUGRAD80]

You’re right I just read he will be a senior next year. I’m guessing he may have came home for a hometown discount considering his dad went to Hamilton High School, then went on to X. I have no inside info at all here, but maybe he reached out to X and coming home to play where his dad did, not to mention he grew up in Wyoming and played at LaSalle. Doesn’t seem like a future pro. So this could set him up for the future here in Cincinnati like his dad. I believe his dad may have transferred in from somewhere, graduated and has a successful realty business. Or used to. Not sure.


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His dad was not a transfer. He came as a freshman and played 4 years at X.

[xukeith]

Tyrice Walker played on X's 1990-1993 team as a small forward. He started I believe his senior year. He was athletic and a slasher/dunker. Played with Gladden, Grant, Williams and Gentry.

[webxu]

Isaiah is listed as the shooting guard, but he is quick. Maybe we could think of him as Adam Kunkel 2.0.

If you watch his You Tube highlights video, he made a high arcing three pointer over the jumping All Wright in a Valpo game. And a cool transition finish in the Evansville game when Pozatto chases him all the way back across the timeline, and is about half a step too late.

Agree he will play both positions, and maybe disrupt on defense kinda like Foster.

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Kunkel shot 40% from 3.. Walker shoots 32%, cant imagine that gets much better with a step up in competition, but would be nice to have a Kunkel 2.0

[D-West & PO-Z]

You’re right I just read he will be a senior next year. I’m guessing he may have came home for a hometown discount considering his dad went to Hamilton High School, then went on to X. I have no inside info at all here, but maybe he reached out to X and coming home to play where his dad did, not to mention he grew up in Wyoming and played at LaSalle. Doesn’t seem like a future pro. So this could set him up for the future here in Cincinnati like his dad. I believe his dad may have transferred in from somewhere, graduated and has a successful realty business. Or used to. Not sure.


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He played at Wyoming, not LaSalle.

[bleedXblue]

Kunkel shot 40% from 3.. Walker shoots 32%, cant imagine that gets much better with a step up in competition, but would be nice to have a Kunkel 2.0

hes insurance and a bench guy and likely pretty cheap. Gets to come home and play in front of parents and family

[MHettel]

Tyrice Walker played on X's 1990-1993 team as a small forward. He started I believe his senior year. He was athletic and a slasher/dunker. Played with Gladden, Grant, Williams and Gentry.

And Sykes, Hawkins, Sears and Massey.

I remember more of those guys that the 50 guys we’ve shuffled through the program over the last 5 years

[drudy23]

And Sykes, Hawkins, Sears and Massey.

I remember more of those guys that the 50 guys we’ve shuffled through the program over the last 5 years

Agree.

While I'm not sure most of those older guys could have played in the Big East (maybe), X did a tremendous job in the MCC days of finding really good talent that could punch well above its conference weight.

[GoMuskies]

Massey and Hawkins would have been just fine. Sykes and Sears not so much.

I think Brian Grant, Tyrone Hill, Derek Strong and Aaron Williams would have been just fine in the Big East!

[kane79]

Tyrice Walker played on X's 1990-1993 team as a small forward. He started I believe his senior year. He was athletic and a slasher/dunker. Played with Gladden, Grant, Williams and Gentry.

moved back to Cincinnati in 1990 and was in 5th grade. My father immediately got us season tickets with a group of his highschool/college friends. This was the team that i watched and learned what Xavier basketball was. We even went to Indianapolis to watch this team play IU in the second round of the tournament in 1993. Walker was the athletic freak with highlight reel dunks

[MHettel]

Massey and Hawkins would have been just fine. Sykes and Sears not so much.

I think Brian Grant, Tyrone Hill, Derek Strong and Aaron Williams would have been just fine in the Big East!

Sykes was good as a senior. It took him awhile to contribute but as an upperclassman he’d was solid at that level and would be a bench guy in the BE.

I liked ATrain ALOT, but he was a string bean early on. But wouldn’t have contributed in the BE until his jr or sr seasons.

I always like Mike Hawkins. He lived across the hall from me when we were both freshmen. Years later (1997 or so) he was playing for a Greek team and faced the Bulls or the Olympic national team with Jordan in a “friendly” game and he match up with MJ and held his own. Always thought that was cool.

[MHettel]

Dante Maddox in the portal? Per 24/7.

He’s played 5 years. Presumably zero eligibility left. What’s up with that?

Also Simeon Witcher from SJU in the portal.

[bjf123]

Maybe he’s going to file suit about being limited to a certain number of years? [emoji2369]


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[GoMuskies]

Maybe Free can sue and come back, too.

[Strange Brew]

Massey and Hawkins would have been just fine. Sykes and Sears not so much.

I think Brian Grant, Tyrone Hill, Derek Strong and Aaron Williams would have been just fine in the Big East!

Motumbo and Mourning would agree (not sure Grant was on that team :) )

[Three Point Pete]

Dante Maddox in the portal? Per 24/7.

He’s played 5 years. Presumably zero eligibility left. What’s up with that?

He has played in 140 games since 2020. That covers the Covid year. Is there any other reason for his continued eligibility?

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[waggy]

He has played in 140 games since 2020. That covers the Covid year. Is there any other reason for his continued eligibility?

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There will eventually be a class action lawsuit over eligibility. Players that are putting their names into the portal are making sure they can be part of it. Eventually players that now go to Europe or g league, and maybe even NBA 2nd rounders will stay in “college”. We could also see 50 game schedules since no one will have to go to class if they don’t want to.

[Smooth]

Tyrice Walker played on X's 1990-1993 team as a small forward. He started I believe his senior year. He was athletic and a slasher/dunker. Played with Gladden, Grant, Williams and Gentry.

My favorite Tyrice memory (but maybe it shouldn't be): At the Coliseum against Louisville he slammed the ball, but after it went through the rim it hit his head and it bounced back up through the rim. The refs didn't see it live so they call it a missed shot. According to all the highlight shows, it should have counted. It wouldn't have mattered as X lost by a large margin.

Least favorite Tyrice memory: He was at a friends apartment and I introduced myself to him since I was a senior at Hamilton High when he was a sophomore. Within minutes, I somehow managed to spill a beer on him. He didn't care that I went to the same high school, my friend had to calm him down to keep him from kicking my ass. I am still pissed today that I wasted a beer.

[fredsw36]

Thank you! I'm a '59 grad. XU was a very different place then, Undergrads numbered approx. 1,000 MEN and if you were a freshman, you wore a little cap with your year on it. OOPS! XU also had a vibrant FOOTBALL program.
It was a love affair immediately, I was in the BAND. So much work and so much fun.
Now, when I watch the Muskies, I enjoy the video of the students and get a good feeling, but almost every year you saw the complete roster less the graduating seniors and the new BB players....mostly for four years. It was a rarity to lose players. Now, at 88 YO, I still keep touch with the BB program and am a very attentive, supportive alum. I no longer live in Cincy and so happy for FS1, but think I'm seeing some change with them.
GO MUSKIES !

[Jehoya]

Thank you! I'm a '59 grad. XU was a very different place then, Undergrads numbered approx. 1,000 MEN and if you were a freshman, you wore a little cap with your year on it. OOPS! XU also had a vibrant FOOTBALL program.
It was a love affair immediately, I was in the BAND. So much work and so much fun.
Now, when I watch the Muskies, I enjoy the video of the students and get a good feeling, but almost every year you saw the complete roster less the graduating seniors and the new BB players....mostly for four years. It was a rarity to lose players. Now, at 88 YO, I still keep touch with the BB program and am a very attentive, supportive alum. I no longer live in Cincy and so happy for FS1, but think I'm seeing some change with them.
GO MUSKIES !

Loved your post, Go Muskies indeed!!

[murray87]

The old man does it again:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ian-jackson-transfers-to-st-johns-rick-pitino-lands-unc-guard-who-was-5-star-prospect-in-high-school/

[drudy23]

Billionaire backers are basically unlimited funds. $5-10M is interest to these guys.

[JTG]

So far the Johnnies angel isn't getting much ROI on his investment.

[drudy23]

So far the Johnnies angel isn't getting much ROI on his investment.

Sure he has. It's his hobby. He gets unfiltered access to the team, the team plane, and the games. He's basically living out his dream as a fan.

The ROI is the experience for these guys. The money is pocket change for them.

[webxu]

Wouldnt mind us taking a run at Wilcher from SJU..

[Xville]

Sure he has. It's his hobby. He gets unfiltered access to the team, the team plane, and the games. He's basically living out his dream as a fan.

The ROI is the experience for these guys. The money is pocket change for them.

Repole could do that without doing NIL. He's doing NIL because he wants the team to get to final fours and win championships.

[GoMuskies]

So far the Johnnies angel isn't getting much ROI on his investment.

Maybe not exactly what he was looking for, but they just won the Big East regular season and tournament championships and had their best season in, what, 30 years? I think it's a pretty solid ROI.

If you're into giving your money to teenagers and young 20 year olds, at least.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nyk Lewis ended up going to VCU. The other freshman Jayden Forsythe opened his recruitment but has yet to sign anywhere. With the state of NIL, if the play isn't ready to go on day 1 I feel like most are off to lower level 'farm teams'.

[bleedXblue]

Wouldnt mind us taking a run at Wilcher from SJU..

No for me. Never really impressed me much for how highly touted he was. Now, would he be an upgrade? No idea......

[JEHARDI]

So far the Johnnies angel isn't getting much ROI on his investment.

Has done pretty well in the portal and significantly upgraded their shooting. They will be tough.

[xu82]

…..the best basketball a billionaire can buy. Oh boy.

[Mel Cooley XU'81]

Sure he has. It's his hobby. He gets unfiltered access to the team, the team plane, and the games. He's basically living out his dream as a fan.

The ROI is the experience for these guys. The money is pocket change for them.

Agree with Drudy.

But actually his hobby is . . . wait for it . . . horse racing!

Mike Repole. $57 million in career winnings at the track.

Investing in college basketball players is a Sure Thing compared to thoroughbreds.

A promising yearling can go for $750,000 or more at auction, so Bryce Hopkins (to pick a name at random), isn't all that much more of an investment.

And I bet he's much more likely to laugh at your jokes when you chat him up at dinner than some horse.

Repole's Derby horse this year is Grande. Second in the Wood. And you get Pletcher and Velazquez.

Who do YOU like?

[Xville]

Lazar to Vcu to team up with nyk.

[JTG]

Maybe not exactly what he was looking for, but they just won the Big East regular season and tournament championships and had their best season in, what, 30 years? I think it's a pretty solid ROI.

If you're into giving your money to teenagers and young 20 year olds, at least.

Personally I will always prefer the Sweet Sixteen to winning a BE tournament. No one remembers that BE tourney if you flame out the first
weekend.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Lazar to Vcu to team up with nyk.

Lazar moves in competition levels at VCU. I am curious how much PT Nyk gets there. VCU had a pretty good team last year.

[Xavier]

Personally I will always prefer the Sweet Sixteen to winning a BE tournament. No one remembers that BE tourney if you flame out the first
weekend.

Meh, depends on the year but usually you are right. Still, since X has not won the BE tournament, I kind of prefer that over losing in the sweet 16. After we get one that will change.

[Xville]

Lazar moves in competition levels at VCU. I am curious how much PT Nyk gets there. VCU had a pretty good team last year.

Completely forgot that martelli jr is now the coach there. That’s pretty wild.

[Xville]

Personally I will always prefer the Sweet Sixteen to winning a BE tournament. No one remembers that BE tourney if you flame out the first
weekend.

I agree. This is one thing I agree with calipari on… conference tournaments mean nothing. Yeah it’s really cool we play it in msg, and I love watching it, but in the end it’s basically an exhibition for these bigger conferences.

[GoMuskies]

I think I might prefer a Big East title to a Sweet Sixteen (if you know you're losing there). No one really remembers Sweet Sixteens either.

Luckily, you don't have to choose, and if you're winning the Big East Tournament you're in pretty good shape to make a Sweet Sixteen, too. Obviously didn't work out of the Johnnies this year, but I think it would be pretty weird to consider their 2024-25 anything other than a smashing success.

[Xavier]

Claude back in the portal. Trilly said Florida is one name he’s heard connected to him.

[Xville]

Claude back in the portal. Trilly said Florida is one name he’s heard connected to him.

Why the hell would Florida want such a choker? He should go to uc he’s the perfect fit of loser for them.

[MHettel]

Claude back in the portal. Trilly said Florida is one name he’s heard connected to him.

What! I thought he went to USC to play PG?

Surely this isn’t about money!

[Xville]

What! I thought he went to USC to play PG?

Surely this isn’t about money!

Well, he did, and he showed he can’t handle it, which is why he just got recruited over by better lead guards, one being arenas who may end up being a lottery pick. And if it’s Florida it sure won’t be for money. Aberdeen left there and a starting position to go play on the bench at uk.

[XUBison]

Well, he did, and he showed he can’t handle it, which is why he just got recruited over by better lead guards, one being arenas who may end up being a lottery pick. And if it’s Florida it sure won’t be for money. Aberdeen left there and a starting position to go play on the bench at uk.

Well, Aberdeen supposedly got $2M to go play on the bench at UK.

[MHettel]

Well, he did, and he showed he can’t handle it, which is why he just got recruited over by better lead guards, one being arenas who may end up being a lottery pick. And if it’s Florida it sure won’t be for money. Aberdeen left there and a starting position to go play on the bench at uk.

Alright. Sure. It was never about playing PG. it was always about money and having a good cover story to hide that fact.

He was nothing remotely similar to a PG at USC. He was Russell Westbrook…a ball dominant poor shooting volume scorer.

But he does get to the line….

Will be interesting to see where he ends up and what role he has

[Xville]

Alright. Sure. It was never about playing PG. it was always about money and having a good cover story to hide that fact.

He was nothing remotely similar to a PG at USC. He was Russell Westbrook…a ball dominant poor shooting volume scorer.

But he does get to the line….

Will be interesting to see where he ends up and what role he has

Why you continue to ignore facts that multiple people have told you is something. And then you try to imply that it’s money again, when you don’t know the circumstances there.

[Xavier]

In today’s game being ball dominate is essentially the PG. it might not appear to be PG role, but that’s what his team wanted and Sean wasn’t taking the ball out of McKnights hands so Claude could control the offense (PG, or “ball dominate” as you put it).

I watched about 10 minutes of USC all year so I can’t say what his role was, simply going off of what Hett said. Stats wise it seems like a typical Claude year. Good stats, some duds, and some boneheaded plays in crucial moments. When he left I said I don’t think he’s a winning player and a team can make the tournament with him being option A.

[xubrew]

I wonder if anyone will decide they want into the portal even though it's closed and sue in order to be let in.

[MHettel]

Why you continue to ignore facts that multiple people have told you is something. And then you try to imply that it’s money again, when you don’t know the circumstances there.

So you believed the cover story. I get that.

[Xville]

So you believed the cover story. I get that.

You can believe whatever you want in your head, it's a free country.

[Xville]

Well, Aberdeen supposedly got $2M to go play on the bench at UK.

Thank you for making my point. If he left to go play the bench at UK for that amount, what is Florida offering their starting guards? Futhermore, most of the programs that have that kind of money have their rosters pretty much set at this time. Claude didn't leave for money at X, and he isn't leaving this time for money either. He got recruited over this time around....should have stayed at X, but the people around him (like a lot of these kids) don't have a clue what's best for them---grass isn't always greener.

[Xavier]

Guess we still recruit high school kids. 7’0 center. Don’t know a thing about him.

https://x.com/paulfritschner/status/1915066853971370272?s=46&t=KSvFnm-Lpouy3B6BA2rQBg