Soooooo, where is the Warming?

[DART87]

Interesting article on the ramifications of rising sea levels from a business/legal perspective:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-04-25/fight-grows-over-who-owns-real-estate-drowned-by-climate-change


(https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-04-25/fight-grows-over-who-owns-real-estate-drowned-by-climate-change)Evidently shit is actually happening and there are legitimate court cases in response. Man may or may not have caused the sea levels to rise but it is happening whether (pun intended) or not it is cold in Cleveland in May.

[Masterofreality]

I’m sitting in the sun at the Indians game here in Cleveland, Ohio and it is a sweltering 85 degrees. On May 2nd! I call bs on global cooling.


Did Matt Moore get caught out drinking last night or something? Why else would the Rangers manager leave him out there to take such a savage beating?

Uh, I was at that same game sitting in the beautiful warm sun down the third base line.. I call BS on 85 degrees. (It was actually about 75). But don't let that distract you that the Month of April in North America was the 4th COLDEST April since 1975.

As to Moore, the previous two games were both 4 hour marathons that burned up both team's bullpens. Luckily for the Tribe, we had Cy Young KKKKKluber on the mound and we jumped on Moore early in the first. The Indians are 68-0 when Kluber gets four runs of support in his career, so I'm sure Texas knew it was over and just left Moore out there as a Pinada. No sense burning up anyone else.

[XU 87]

As to Moore, the previous two games were both 4 hour marathons that burned up both team's bullpens. Luckily for the Tribe, we had Cy Young KKKKKluber on the mound and we jumped on Moore early in the first. The Indians are 68-0 when Kluber gets four runs of support in his career, so I'm sure Texas knew it was over and just left Moore out there as a Pinada. No sense burning up anyone else.

Stay on topic.

[Lloyd Braun]

Uh, I was at that same game sitting in the beautiful warm sun down the third base line.. I call BS on 85 degrees. (It was actually about 75). But don't let that distract you that the Month of April in North America was the 4th COLDEST April since 1975.

As to Moore, the previous two games were both 4 hour marathons that burned up both team's bullpens. Luckily for the Tribe, we had Cy Young KKKKKluber on the mound and we jumped on Moore early in the first. The Indians are 68-0 when Kluber gets four runs of support in his career, so I'm sure Texas knew it was over and just left Moore out there as a Pinada. No sense burning up anyone else.

I told myself that if you actually responded seriously to my joke post I wouldn’t reply, because the actual temperature in Cleveland one day out of the year does not matter one bit. That said, here (https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rangers-vs-indians/2018/05/02/529869#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=529869) is the box score that has the actual game time temp, not your fake news “it feels like 75” temp. Did you go to Florida with the rest of the snowbirds from Cleveland? Maybe it was 10 degrees warmer in the bleachers on all that metal.

[Masterofreality]

I told myself that if you actually responded seriously to my joke post I wouldn’t reply, because the actual temperature in Cleveland one day out of the year does not matter one bit. That said, here (https://www.mlb.com/gameday/rangers-vs-indians/2018/05/02/529869#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=529869) is the box score that has the actual game time temp, not your fake news “it feels like 75” temp. Did you go to Florida with the rest of the snowbirds from Cleveland? Maybe it was 10 degrees warmer in the bleachers on all that metal.

Ok, that says 82, not 85 or 75 so we both suck.

All I know is I was watching the scoreboard in left that has the temp and it appeared that most of the time it was 77 or so, Whatever. It was just fantastic to get a nice day with a beautiful breeze that blew out. #LongBalls
And sorry I missed the sarcasm font.

BTW Going today too if the rain moves out. Keeping fingers crossed.

[X-band '01]

Getting Back on Topic (https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/)

Globally, April was slightly warmer than the 30-year average. While the eastern half of North America was much cooler than normal, large swaths of Europe and Asia were warmer than normal (as was the western US).

It should also be noted this is happening during a La Nina cycle.

[chico]

Stay on topic.

He actually is on topic. Because if the Indians win it all it will prove global warming is a sham by hell freezing over.

[paulxu]

Maybe we could merge this thread with the Windians one.

[Caf]

Just curious, how is the global cooling group spinning the South African drought?

[UCGRAD4X]

This is a very ignorant approach to take about anything, especially one as complicated as global climate. How are you ever going to learn and expand your knowledge if you admit from the get-go that you are unwilling to even open yourself to the idea that you might be wrong?

I feel sorry for you.

Sounds eerily similar to a former POTUS's comment that man made global warming is "settled science" and not up for debate.

[Masterofreality]

Just curious, how is the global cooling group spinning the South African drought?

Oh. I don't know. Maybe just like the Texas drought a few years ago that ended in floods. Or the Southeast US drought when Georgia was threatening to steal water from Alabama and Tennessee that caused an uproar then ended with the lakes all being way back up to normal, and having been for 3 years.
Ish happens over the course of time. You know, "It's Weather, not Climate". (Eye Rolling Emoji)

[XU '11]

Interesting article on the ramifications of rising sea levels from a business/legal perspective:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-04-25/fight-grows-over-who-owns-real-estate-drowned-by-climate-change


(https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-04-25/fight-grows-over-who-owns-real-estate-drowned-by-climate-change)Evidently shit is actually happening and there are legitimate court cases in response. Man may or may not have caused the sea levels to rise but it is happening whether (pun intended) or not it is cold in Cleveland in May.

The sea level is rising 3.2 millimeters per year (LINK (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/)). That's the equivalent of one inch every eight years. That article conveniently lumped sea levels and coastal erosion together, but the latter certainly seems to be the more pressing issue.

[Masterofreality]

46 degrees on Mackinac Island yesterday where we were and 45 degrees in Westlake today. This on May 11. After the 4th coldest winter in North America in the last 30 years. But it's weather, not climate. Not sure when it transfers from weather to climate though. Maybe 31 years?

Still waiting for those Palm Trees on Lake Erie, and it's level is lower than in 1985- after a perfectly average precipitation winter. Water moves all over the earth, right? I can't wait for that Tsunami at my house- 1/2 mile from the Lake to happen soon.

[Masterofreality]

The sea level is rising 3.2 millimeters per year (LINK (https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/sea-level/)). That's the equivalent of one inch every eight years. That article conveniently lumped sea levels and coastal erosion together, but the latter certainly seems to be the more pressing issue.

Yeah, but that Global Temp rise will surely cause more evaporation of water from that extra foot rise over 96 years. Gotta love Nature's ying and yang, right?

[X-band '01]

46 degrees on Mackinac Island yesterday where we were and 45 degrees in Westlake today. This on May 11. After the 4th coldest winter in North America in the last 30 years. But it's weather, not climate. Not sure when it transfers from weather to climate though. Maybe 31 years?

Still waiting for those Palm Trees on Lake Erie, and it's level is lower than in 1985- after a perfectly average precipitation winter. Water moves all over the earth, right? I can't wait for that Tsunami at my house- 1/2 mile from the Lake to happen soon.

Come on down to Xavier's sweltering campus today - a nice balmy 85 degrees!

[Masterofreality]

Come on down to Xavier's sweltering campus today - a nice balmy 85 degrees!

YAAAAAAAYYYYYY!!!! Summer is FINALLY here!!

[mohr5150]

My car said 92 degrees when I was driving down the road today. We are over a month away from the official start of summer. If I played the ludicrous idea that weather was the same as climate, I would say this is a great example of global warming.

[Lloyd Braun]

This article (http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/05/republican-lawmaker-rocks-tumbling-ocean-causing-sea-level-rise) recaps the discussions in Congress, which look almost exactly like the discussions on this board. Rep. Brooks is either a moron or trolling (looking @ you Mr. global cooling!).

"Every time you have that soil or rock or whatever it is that is deposited into the seas, that forces the sea levels to rise, because now you have less space in those oceans, because the bottom is moving up," Brooks said.

Duffy responded: "I'm pretty sure that on human time scales, those are minuscule effects."

[muskienick]

Interesting read in the USA Today section of today's Cincinnati Enquirer written by Doyle Rice for The Associated Press. It is titled --- Coast-to-coast: May broke U.S. record. Here it is --- https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/06/06/climate-change-may-warmest-record-usa/676907002/

It represents only a month in the scheme of things (which is not really relevant). But it might have an effect on the opinions of the likes of MOR and XU 87 since they take great stock in seeing their patio thermometers read an uncharacteristically cool summer day or frigid day in winter.

NAW --- Silly me!!!

[XU 87]

It was so cold in Cincinnati last night that I was wearing a jacket while drinking a beer on my deck. You global cooling deniers need to come to grips with reality.

[muskienick]

It was so cold in Cincinnati last night that I was wearing a jacket while drinking a beer on my deck. You global cooling deniers need to come to grips with reality.

I realize you must be too intelligent if you are an X graduate of 1987 to really believe your global cooling schtick. So I'll assume you are using your well-developed sense of humor to prolong this too-funny-to-be-true thread.

[xu82]

I realize you must be too intelligent if you are an X graduate of 1987 to really believe your global cooling schtick. So I'll assume you are using your well-developed sense of humor to prolong this too-funny-to-be-true thread.

Hmm, interesting that’s what you took out of that. I just wanted to join him for a beer on the deck.....

I may have missed the point....

[XU 87]

I realize you must be too intelligent if you are an X graduate of 1987 to really believe your global cooling schtick. So I'll assume you are using your well-developed sense of humor to prolong this too-funny-to-be-true thread.

You must be a science denier.

[Caf]

It was so cold in Cincinnati last night that I was wearing a jacket while drinking a beer on my deck. You global cooling deniers need to come to grips with reality.

When you're right, you're right!

Went to the beach last weekend and the water was right where I left it last year. Not an inch or millimeter higher. You libs got nothing!!!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Went to the beach last weekend and the water was right where I left it last year. Not an inch or millimeter higher. You libs got nothing!!!!!

Yes, the lava @ the Kopoho Beach has added a few feet.

[waggy]

Yes, the lava @ the Kopoho Beach has added a few feet.


Man made volcanic eruption? Hahahaha.

[Caf]

Man made volcanic eruption? Hahahaha.

lol I'll take whatever libations theses libs are having lolol

[Masterofreality]

I realize you must be too intelligent if you are an X graduate of 1987 to really believe your global cooling schtick. So I'll assume you are using your well-developed sense of humor to prolong this too-funny-to-be-true thread.

Glad you finally joined the growing crowd.

Yes. "Man Made Global Warming" IS too funny to be true.

[waggy]

lol I'll take whatever libations theses libs are having lolol

I guess Sodom and Gomorrah was a man caused eruption. So there is some precedent.

[paulxu]

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ---Neil DeGrasse Tyson

[GoMuskies]

"The good thing about science is that it's true whether or not you believe in it." ---Neil DeGrasse Tyson

C'mon, paul, it's 2018. There's no such thing as "true" anymore.

[XU 87]

I'm going to Chicago tomorrow for the Reds/Cubs game. I see that there will be a low of 63. Should I wear a hat and gloves to the game?

ChicagoX, any recommendations?

P.S. A fried of mine who is already up there just told me to "bring a jacket or I might freeze to death sitting in the shade."

You global cooling deniers really need to rethink your position. Do it for your kids and grandkids.

[muskienick]

Ah, yes! Another legitimate scientific deduction by XU87. It might get as low as 63 degrees in Chicago today. Therefore scientists espousing global warming should completely rethink their stance relative to climate change.

[X-man]

Ah, yes! Another legitimate scientific deduction by XU87. It might get as low as 63 degrees in Chicago today. Therefore scientists espousing global warming should completely rethink their stance relative to climate change.

Ignore the troll.

[XU 87]

Ignore the troll.

If you want to ignore something as serious as global cooling, you do so at your own peril, Mr. Science Denier.

[Cheesehead]

Is it supposed to be 90 degrees in Siberia?

[xu82]

Is it supposed to be 90 degrees in Siberia?

I hear the competition to open a Rita’s Italian Ice franchise there is fierce! It beats yellow snow.

[Strange Brew]

I hear the competition to open a Rita’s Italian Ice franchise there is fierce! It beats yellow snow.

You know you want to try a Chernosnowcone!

[Masterofreality]

If you want to ignore something as serious as global cooling, you do so at your own peril, Mr. Science Denier.

Give 'em hell, 87.

Oh wait..that's TOO warm.

[Masterofreality]

Uh, Paris Accord shouters, what say you? 2296

[Lloyd Braun]

All I know is that I sweat my ass off at the tribe games this weekend. And the bathrooms at the Thirsty Parrot and Clevelander were well over 110 degrees. Palms trees are sprouting!

[Masterofreality]

All I know is that I sweat my ass off at the tribe games this weekend. And the bathrooms at the Thirsty Parrot and Clevelander were well over 110 degrees. Palms trees are sprouting!

Ha!!! Should have been sitting lower deck 3rd base side! Not bad temp and got a very nice breeze from Centerfield last night. :-)

[paulxu]

Uh, Paris Accord shouters, what say you? 2296

I'd say great news. Much of that is a result of Obama era regulations aimed at the largest problems in carbon emissions.
Will probably backslide as Trump reverses many of those well thought out attempts to help the future for our grandchildren.

[Strange Brew]

I'd say great news. Much of that is a result of Obama era regulations aimed at the largest problems in carbon emissions.
Will probably backslide as Trump reverses many of those well thought out attempts to help the future for our grandchildren.

Doubtful. Industry looks to cut expenses (gov't does not) so they will continue to innovate and produce using less energy.

Also, EPA lawsuits are expensive.

Speaking of the EPA. It's amazing how radio silent the media has been about the Animus river spill here in CO. ...

[bobbiemcgee]

Industry cut expenses by abandoning the Gold Mine without cleaning it up after 125 years. There are approx. 500,000 more mining sites somebody will have to clean up. Thanks Industry.

[WCWIII]

Scientist here. Long time till the season ... so I'll venture as I'm trying to learn this stuff myself at a much higher level. I'll take a first question from good friends MOR or XU87. Science only. Policy is something different.

I'd like to start with it seems there was a long term stable 300 part per million (ppm) carbon dioxide (CO2) level that has risen to around 400ppm since the industrial revolution and continues to rise at 2-3ppm/yr in recent times. The hypothesis is that this fact (is it a fact?) is the result of human activities (this is hypothesis, is it scientifically true?).

[Strange Brew]

Industry cut expenses by abandoning the Gold Mine without cleaning it up after 125 years. There are approx. 500,000 more mining sites somebody will have to clean up. Thanks Industry.

Blaming 19th and early 20th century mining companies proves my point. Modern, more sophisticated businesses are not so destructive

[Strange Brew]

Scientist here. Long time till the season ... so I'll venture as I'm trying to learn this stuff myself at a much higher level. I'll take a first question from good friends MOR or XU87. Science only. Policy is something different.

I'd like to start with it seems there was a long term stable 300 part per million (ppm) carbon dioxide (CO2) level that has risen to around 400ppm since the industrial revolution and continues to rise at 2-3ppm/yr in recent times. The hypothesis is that this fact (is it a fact?) is the result of human activities (this is hypothesis, is it scientifically true?).

Ok, what’s the highest PPM of CO2 and corresponding temp?
What is the mean temp of Earth’s history?
What should it be?
Is water vapor a greater GG than CO2
What’s the difference between scientific law and theory
Yes, I’ll take a look at that snake oil...

[xu82]

Ok, what’s the highest PPM of CO2 and corresponding temp?
What is the mean temp of Earth’s history?
What should it be?
Is water vapor a greater GG than CO2
What’s the difference between scientific law and theory
Yes, I’ll take a look at that snake oil...

I actually have ALL the correct and undeniable answers to ALL those questions, but it’s getting late and I think I’ll head to bed for now.

[WCWIII]

Ok, what’s the highest PPM of CO2 and corresponding temp?
What is the mean temp of Earth’s history?
What should it be?
Is water vapor a greater GG than CO2
What’s the difference between scientific law and theory
Yes, I’ll take a look at that snake oil...

Good questions - I’ve already learned some new things myself looking into them. Some initial answers.

Over what geologic time period are you interested in CO2 levels, temperature, and mean temperature? I’d suggest using a period not more than 100 million yrs ago. There were periods when CO2 concentrations were x2 to x10 of what they are today. Temperatures were generally higher at that time as well estimated to be 5-15 degC higher. There was an extreme spike in these quantities some 56 Myrs ago. Maybe you mean over the last 3 Myrs ago or even the last 12,000 years? 150yrs?

I don’t know how science can address the question of “what should the “ideal” mean temperature of earth be?”

Water vapor is indeed very much a stronger greenhouse gas than CO2. I am trying to learn better and whether CO2 is important as a modern GG gas. Let’s get there … but first, is there any dispute that human activities are responsible for increased CO2 concentrations? second, we can ask if human activities are responsible for recent rises (if there are rises) in the earth’s temperature. Then we can understand how these are related, if at all.

I’ll call a scientific law a determination that passes the rigors of the scientific method including peer review and for which there is a scientific consensus. A scientific theory is a supposition, a hypothesis that could become a law or found not to be a true representation of nature.

[XU 87]

WCW, like yourself, I also consider myself a scientist, having studied under the likes of John Brockhoff, Russ "Tiger" King, and Jerry "No Nukes" Becker (for the non-scientists like X-Man, these are well known local scientists).

Through my scientific research (known as the "eyeball method") I have determined that in the past few years Glade Avenue has experienced increased snow and ice accumulation during the year. You can barely get down this road anymore during the winter months! And as you know, Glade Avenue is long known for its palatial estates and beautiful winter scenery. But the only thing I can attribute this phenomenon of increased snow and ice to is global cooling.

These are scary times indeed.

[WCWIII]

Knew I could count on you ‘87! I remember dragging lawn mowers and snow shovels from G-North to those palatial estates down where you grew up to earn a few scheckles.

[muskienick]

Strange absence lately from this thread by the Global Cooling gang!

[XU 87]

Nick, you obviously don't know the difference between weather and climate. Don't be a science denier.

[muskiefan82]

I have found that when I am on the part of the Earth that is facing the sun, it is warmer, and when I am on the part that is no longer facing the sun, it is cooler.

[Caf]

One Child's Outsized Influence On The Debate Over Plastic Straws (https://www.npr.org/2018/07/22/631254978/one-childs-outsized-influence-on-the-debate-over-plastic-waste?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180723)

This is actually hilarious

[bjf123]

One Child's Outsized Influence On The Debate Over Plastic Straws (https://www.npr.org/2018/07/22/631254978/one-childs-outsized-influence-on-the-debate-over-plastic-waste?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180723)

This is actually hilarious

I thought that number seemed high. This is kind of like the oft cited claim that 97% of scientists agree about global warming.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/10/climate-change-no-its-not-97-percent-consensus-ian-tuttle/


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[GoMuskies]

I was in Zion this past week, and it was really, really hot. I was starting to come around on this whole global warming thing. Then a waiter told me it was hotter there last summer, so I'm back to being worried about global cooling.

[bobbiemcgee]

I was there in April. It was nice and cool + no crowds.

[Cheesehead]

I was in Zion this past week, and it was really, really hot. I was starting to come around on this whole global warming thing. Then a waiter told me it was hotter there last summer, so I'm back to being worried about global cooling.

this summer is on pace to be the 4th hottest summer on record globally.

[94GRAD]

this summer is on pace to be the 4th hottest summer on record globally.

So you're saying it's getting cooler?

[XU 87]

So you're saying it's getting cooler?

Absolutely. This summer is nothing compared to the summer of 1936.

https://maps.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=33

[Masterofreality]

Nick, you obviously don't know the difference between weather and climate. Don't be a science denier.

Touché'

[94GRAD]

Global warming is definitely here, it's been swamp ass hot the last 3 days here in Cincy!!!

[xudash]

Global warming is definitely here, it's been swamp ass hot the last 3 days here in Cincy!!!

And right on cue: the first snow of the year occurs in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana.

Weather? Climate change? Both? Neither?

[XU 87]

And right on cue: the first snow of the year occurs in Idaho, Wyoming and Montana.



You global cooling deniers better start listening.

[bobbiemcgee]

1st year I never turned the a/c on. Balmy 72 today.

[Lloyd Braun]

All we will have to do is figure out how to “draw out” CO2 from our atmosphere. It’s bs anyways, it snowed in Idaho months ago!

https://weather.com/news/climate/news/2018-10-08-ipcc-report-2018-global-warming-climate-change

[paulxu]

I don't know about global warming...but...if any Muskies live in the panhandle, I hope they have gone to higher ground today.

[XU 87]

I may have to rethink my position on global warming. This could have serious consequences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/10/15/beer-shortage-worlds-beer-supply-threatened-global-warming/1645874002/

[GoMuskies]

I may have to rethink my position on global warming. This could have serious consequences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/10/15/beer-shortage-worlds-beer-supply-threatened-global-warming/1645874002/

Why on earth have our politicians not done something?!?!?!?!?!? This is an outrage. I demand a carbon tax now!!!!!!!!!

[muskienick]

I may have to rethink my position on global warming. This could have serious consequences.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/science/2018/10/15/beer-shortage-worlds-beer-supply-threatened-global-warming/1645874002/

This may be a first!!! Somebody used beer to improve his understanding of the world around him!

[paulxu]

We can close this thread now. The debate is settled.



EPA.gov pages that previously provided information about climate change have been changed from claiming that they are "updating" to an error message that reads, "We want to help you find what you are looking for," as revealed by a report released this week by the Environmental Data & Governance Initiative. The change indicates that information related climate change is not being “updated,” but removed entirely.[...]

This is far from the first time that the Trump administration has removed information relating to climate change and environmental hazards. Shortly after Trump’s inauguration in January 2017, all references to climate change were removed from the White House website. In April of that year, the Department of the Interior all references to climate change from its public-facing website. The Federal Emergency Management Agency does not even mention climate change in its five year planreleased earlier this year.

[xu82]

This may be a first!!! Somebody used beer to improve his understanding of the world around him!

I don’t believe we’ve met!

[Masterofreality]

We can close this thread now. The debate is settled.

And it's about damn time.

Still no Palm Trees on Lake Erie.

[scoscox]

On an unrelated note, President Trump's rally in indiana was at Paul Scruggs' old high school. Southport. Massive high school gym.

[X-man]

And it's about damn time.

Still no Palm Trees on Lake Erie.

Wait. You started this thread!

[XU 87]

I again implore you global cooling deniers to start listening to the science.

https://www.iceagenow.info/lack-of-sunspots-to-bring-record-cold-warns-nasa-scientist/?fbclid=IwAR2qw4DZcHXGkhkFitWudvrtGFMKdUsSbegXWV_U q6WFBpZpDdo8cRj96sQ

[paulxu]

We can't control what the sun does to our weather.

We might be able to assist in what we ourselves do to our climate.

[muskienick]

We can't control what the sun does to our weather.

We might be able to assist in what we ourselves do to our climate.

Sorry, Paul. I must have used up my props for you so I am giving you these for public display! In addition to what part humans have in this round of climate change, we must also remember that climate change is cyclical. Not too many thousands of years ago, the Earth experienced a global cooling cycle. It was global warming's "turn"!!!

[xu82]

I hope our 3 point shooting begins to warm. I’ll try to cut back on my carbon imprint, or sacrifice one of Mick’s goats....whatever it takes.

[Lloyd Braun]

Trump on twitter: “Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?”

Perhaps Donald is a poster on this board!

[X-man]

Trump on twitter: “Brutal and Extended Cold Blast could shatter ALL RECORDS - Whatever happened to Global Warming?”

Perhaps Donald is a poster on this board!

You've got to be kidding. No way the President of the US says anything that stupid or ignorant. Oh wait, our President is Trump. Never mind.

[Masterofreality]

Welp, it's 5 years later since this thread started, nothing has changed. It's December, cold as hell, and has been since mid-October. Even my golf trip to the desert last week was way below normal temps. Soooo. Where's the Global Warming??

By the way. Looks like normal Frenchmen, not the self important preening politicians, are rioting against the massive fuel tax hike that Macron was trying to impose to allegedly wean the poor serfs off of fossil fuels. Damn. It sure is amazing when environmental theory runs up against the brick wall of public economic reality, isn't it?
Oh, and temps in Paris are just a bit below normal for this time of the year, for those who think I only look out my window. Damn that Global Cooling!!!

[Masterofreality]

Just call me Trump.
If the Polar Vortex comes from, errrr, Polar areas, then it's still more than freezing cold up there and now it's here. Coldest temps for 25 years. Of course, we were all supposed to be underwater by now as per AlGore.
Yeah, where's the warming?
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[Lloyd Braun]

Death. Taxes. MOR posting about climate change on a cold day in January.


1/26/2014

Oh yes, the old "it's not climate it's weather" argument.

Yet, here it is in The Washington Post today from no less a debater than the UN's Kofi Annan. QUOTE:

"Recent months have also brought examples- from typhoons in the Philipines to the Polar Vortex in North America and widespread floods in Europe- of the increase in extreme weather events are the inevitable outcome of climate change". Hmmm. Nah, no attempt at linkage there.

And then this from Annan: QUOTE:

"Climate justice also demands that those richer countries that have done the most to cause the buildup of greenhouse gas emissions in our atmosphere- and reaped the benefits- help poorer nations adapt to the climate change already underway."

So, there it is in one tidy little Washington Post article. Weather IS apparently the same as Climate and alleged "Climate Change" is a very convenient attempt (as opposed to an "Inconvenient Truth") to find another way to redistribute wealth. Hey Kofi, why don't you just publish this in the Beijing Times? They seem to be putting out more "greenhouse gasses" right now than anyone else on the planet. How about they redistribute some of their wealth? I thought that was their philosophy anyway?

Meanwhile, it's 8 degrees and snowing in Cleveland...in January...and will be below zero this week. Where the hell is the warming?

1/20/2015

January 20 and it's snowing in Cleveland today.

Sounds about right to me.

1/20/2016

Oh, just checking.........It's January 20....and it's 19 degrees today. It's winter. Just as it is supposed to be. No Palm Trees yet on Lake Erie's shores.

1/18/17

More bull pap passing for "science" in the latest doomsday report:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/01/18/nyt-hid-numbers-hottest-year-record/#.WH_Uwyn2WqM.twitter

1/17/18

Is -88 degrees cold? I guess the polar ice caps are still melting.
By the way, since the ocean water temperatures are so damn high, the number of freezing sea turtles is unprecedented.
Damn, this warming is a bitch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2018/01/16/in-the-coldest-village-on-earth-eyelashes-freeze-dinner-is-frozen-and-temperatures-sink-to-88f/?undefined=&utm_term=.fc0e49bb061d&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1


Cue X-Man’s rebuttal and XU87’s global cooling snark in 3,2,1....

[GoMuskies]

I suppose there weren't any cold days in January 2015.

[XU 87]

Death. Taxes. MOR posting about climate change on a cold day in January.


1/26/2014


1/20/2015


1/20/2016


1/18/17


1/17/18



Cue X-Man’s rebuttal and XU87’s global cooling snark in 3,2,1....

I would have responded earlier, but I've been outside burning fossil fuels to try to warm things up. Unfortunately, it's not working. And once again, I implore you global cooling deniers to come to your senses.

[Caf]

Hey libs,

If you weren't so busy boycotting Starbucks for the 4th time in the past year, you'd know you have to order hot coffee because it's cold and global warming is a lie.

Best,
Mr. Tired of Winning

[paulxu]

Xavier University offers a degree in environmental science that includes classes that might (OK, I'm just winging it here) explain to people the difference between climate and weather.

One can only hope.

[XU 87]

Xavier University offers a degree in environmental science that includes classes that might (OK, I'm just winging it here) explain to people the difference between climate and weather.

One can only hope.

Paul, I agree. Hot days in the summer are just weather. But these cold days in winter are climate, and indicative of global cooling. I just wish these deniers would stop denying the cooling science. It's maddening!

[paulxu]

Hah! Good one.
How am I suppose to explain the rise in average global temperatures?
Maybe the sun is getting hotter.

[XU 87]

I just wish some of you global cooling deniers would start listening to me.

https://www.sfgate.com/weather/article/Hawaii-recorded-what-may-be-the-lowest-elevation-13607099.php

Maybe you think it's just "weather" when it snows in Hawaii, but I think you should recognize reality- global cooling is upon us and we only have a short time to address it. Let's not wait until there's an iceberg travelling down Victory Parkway. By then it will be too late.

[paulxu]

I'm stunned.

Snowfall at an elevation of 10,000 feet. Who could have imagined?

[XU 87]

I'm stunned.

Snowfall at an elevation of 10,000 feet. Who could have imagined?

Denier.

[X-man]

I'm stunned.

Snowfall at an elevation of 10,000 feet. Who could have imagined?

Ignore the troll. He is either trolling or incredibly obtuse. Either way, not worthy of a response.

[XU 87]

Ignore the troll. He is either trolling or incredibly obtuse. Either way, not worthy of a response.

Thanks, I can always count on you.

"And what did you call me"?

[GoMuskies]

I'm stunned.

Snowfall at an elevation of 10,000 feet. Who could have imagined?

The article DID say it was the lowest elevation at which Hawaii has ever received snow. I didn't get all the way to the top of Haleakala back in November (when I was there for the Maui Invitational...not so humble brag), but it was definitely cold on that winding mountain road back from Hana. And then you get to Wailea, and it's 70 degrees.

[paulxu]

The article DID say it was the lowest elevation at which Hawaii has ever received snow. I didn't get all the way to the top of Haleakala back in November (when I was there for the Maui Invitational...not so humble brag), but it was definitely cold on that winding mountain road back from Hana. And then you get to Wailea, and it's 70 degrees.

Jealous of your Maui invitational deal. Have been there a number of times. Don't drink and drive on the road to Hana.
As to the snow, hell, we get snow at 807 ft above sea level here in Sparkle City. Even Charleston has had snow.
It does continue to amaze me how so many people, including our president, are confused about climate/weather.
Of course a lot of people for a long time thought the earth was flat...so there is that.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/11/politics/fact-checking-trump-snowstorm-tweet/index.html

[GoMuskies]

Haleakala IS a touch closer to the equator than Sparkle City.

I'm pretty sure '87 is just kidding, which makes it funny. Pretty sure.

[paulxu]

Haleakala IS a touch closer to the equator than Sparkle City.

I'm pretty sure '87 is just kidding, which makes it funny. Pretty sure.

Hah! You're right about Haleakala. But then again, we've got nothing east of the Mississippi that's over 6,700 ft.

[XU 87]

Haleakala IS a touch closer to the equator than Sparkle City.

I'm pretty sure '87 is just kidding, which makes it funny. Pretty sure.

I am dead serious about the global cooling issues (or at least X-Man thinks I am.)

[X-man]

I am dead serious about the global cooling issues (or at least X-Man thinks I am.)

Do you need me to define the word "troll"?

[XU 87]

Do you need me to define the word "troll"?

https://www.azquotes.com/quote/1364379

[X-man]

I am dead serious about the global cooling issues (or at least X-Man thinks I am.)

Absolutely hilarious.

[Michigan Muskie]

Thanks, I can always count on you.

"And what did you call me"?


https://youtu.be/9vhofhJKO94

[paulxu]

Well worth the read if you can get to it:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/16/opinion/sunday/fear-panic-climate-change-warming.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

[scoscox]

i respectfully disagree. extremely flimsy premise and nauseatingly heavy on hysteria. storms are not getting worse by historical standards. the california wildfires were a result of california's negligence not extreme climate.

[Snipe]

http://butnowyouknow.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/globa-mean-temp.gif?w=469&h=427

How do we know what the temperature of the planet was in 1880?

Do we really know what the temperature of the planet is in 2019?

Do we really know what the temperature of the planet is today? Is there a website where we can monitor global temperature day by day?

This whole timeline is less than 1 degree, so it matters. Who says that they know the exact temperature of 1880? I don't think we can even measure the temperature of the planet accurately of 2/19/2019 exactly and perfectly. And I am damn sure we can't compare that with an exact measurement of 2/19/1880.

But yet we continue to throw everything and anything up for grabs because the earth is warming by less than 1 degree since 1880.

It is madness.

Get this even, and I have science to prove it. We are actually living in an Ice Age. I am not kidding. The best science they taught us all as kids is that we are all living in an Ice Age that has lasted 2.5 million years.

And that hasn't changed according to the best science we have. We are living in an interglacial period of an Ice Age that has lasted for 2.5 million years.

[WCWIII]

How do we know what the temperature of the planet was in 1880?

Do we really know what the temperature of the planet is in 2019?

Do we really know what the temperature of the planet is today? Is there a website where we can monitor global temperature day by day?

This whole timeline is less than 1 degree, so it matters. Who says that they know the exact temperature of 1880? I don't think we can even measure the temperature of the planet accurately of 2/19/2019 exactly and perfectly. And I am damn sure we can't compare that with an exact measurement of 2/19/1880.

But yet we continue to throw everything and anything up for grabs because the earth is warming by less than 1 degree since 1880.

It is madness.

Get this even, and I have science to prove it. We are actually living in an Ice Age. I am not kidding. The best science they taught us all as kids is that we are all living in an Ice Age that has lasted 2.5 million years.

And that hasn't changed according to the best science we have. We are living in an interglacial period of an Ice Age that has lasted for 2.5 million years.

For the global mean temperature, I very much like this (web site (http://berkeleyearth.org/)) which started with funding including from Charles Koch. Here's a brief video showing a founder of that web site when he was pissed because of "climategate" (video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BQpciw8suk)) and even tried to use the data to prove there was a "pause (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/26/opinion/a-pause-not-an-end-to-warming.html)" in the upward temperature trend. He started very much a skeptic but he is a scientist. You can dig deep (http://berkeleyearth.org/data/) in the web site to see the data and how temperatures in 1880 and 2019 are calculated. Techniques for precise measurements (and other things like astronomical observations) have been used since the mid-1800s and before. Yes, technology advances and indeed the methodology involves computer modelling (and taking into effects such things as urban heat islands etc) but it does include both raw air and water temperature measurements. Other groups do independent data analysis and they agree on the trends. I even found a group that tries calculates these things on a daily (http://www.karstenhaustein.com/climate.php)basis. It's a lot of work, even if you are a scientist, to find something scientifically well done and to understand what was done. It is certainly not explained clearly in the media especially if your media is biased either left or right. If your skepticism on global warming is based on invalid temperature data and methodology, that can be refuted. Using the oft-quoted 97% of the scientists agree there is human-caused global warming ... the 3% question the human connection part not actual warming part.

Whether the 1ish degree temperature change is significant and important and whether there there should be mandated societal changes ... those are completely different issues. I'm just trying to stand up for my hard working scientific brethren of the 1880s since you asked your questions.

[XU 87]

https://weather.com/news/weather/news/2019-02-18-snow-las-vegas-nevada-february


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/teen-makes-dollar35000-plowing-seattles-historic-snow/ar-BBTPFoq?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=HPDHP17

[GoMuskies]

https://weather.com/news/weather/news/2019-02-18-snow-las-vegas-nevada-february

OK, as long as that shit clears out of there by the end of March. I'm going to drink about a hundred beers outside during the Sweet Sixteen weekend.

[xu82]

It’s currently 36 degrees and it’s rained all day long. So, the WORST POSSIBLE weather. I’d rather have 5 and snow.

Sweet Sixteen beers on a warm, sunny day sounds like a dream.

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm looking forward to seeing MOR lounging under the palms on Lake Erie:

https://www.narcity.com/ca/on/toronto/travel/this-ontario-beach-with-real-palm-trees-will-make-you-feel-like-youre-in-cancun

[rosaliecea]

there have been studies suggesting that a drop in barometric pressure that comes along with low temperatures in fall/winter causes tissues around your joints to swell and pressures pain centers in your nerves. ... Blood vessels constrict to keep you warm, and can also trigger pain receptors.

[XU 87]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/la-could-see-snow-for-the-first-time-since-1962/ar-BBTUwky?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17

First Hawaii, then Vegas, and now Southern California.

At least Minnesota is trying to keep up with Hawaii and LA in terms of record snowfall:

https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/20/st-paul-minneapolis-minnesota-february-snow-record/

The US is becoming Siberia:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/snowfall-in-arizona-mountain-town-breaks-century-old-record/ar-BBTTKcW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17

[XU 87]

Someone tell LA Muskie to bundle up.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-cold-february-20190228-story.html

[Masterofreality]

I'm looking forward to seeing MOR lounging under the palms on Lake Erie:

https://www.narcity.com/ca/on/toronto/travel/this-ontario-beach-with-real-palm-trees-will-make-you-feel-like-youre-in-cancun

Thanks for the humor Bobby.
We were in Florida all of last week. ZERO sun the entire week and clouds and deep fog for 4 days. That ain't any warming.
And, oh, last time I checked, there are zero palm trees growing within 800 miles of Lake Erie.
By the way. That water off that beach is about 55 degrees in the summer.
Keep trying. :rolleyes:

[GoMuskies]

there are zero palm trees growing within 800 miles of Lake Erie.


In your face! :)

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=MYh5XLPNPMjEsAXt3IiIBg&q=driving+directions+cleveland%2C+ohio+to+isle+of+ palms%2C+sc&btnK=Google+Search&oq=driving+directions+cleveland%2C+ohio+to+isle+of +palms%2C+sc&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i299.2020.24568..25045...14.0..2.270.5643. 47j17j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131j0j0i10j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160 .SJ7ypZ2GAx4

[Masterofreality]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/la-could-see-snow-for-the-first-time-since-1962/ar-BBTUwky?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17

First Hawaii, then Vegas, and now Southern California.

At least Minnesota is trying to keep up with Hawaii and LA in terms of record snowfall:

https://www.twincities.com/2019/02/20/st-paul-minneapolis-minnesota-february-snow-record/

The US is becoming Siberia:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/snowfall-in-arizona-mountain-town-breaks-century-old-record/ar-BBTTKcW?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17

But you know '87. It's not the cold, but the frequency/severity/unusualness of storms now. That's the new watchword.
Oh, but "climate" not weather....for years. :dizzy:

[Masterofreality]

In your face! :)

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp&ei=MYh5XLPNPMjEsAXt3IiIBg&q=driving+directions+cleveland%2C+ohio+to+isle+of+ palms%2C+sc&btnK=Google+Search&oq=driving+directions+cleveland%2C+ohio+to+isle+of +palms%2C+sc&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i299.2020.24568..25045...14.0..2.270.5643. 47j17j1......0....1..gws-wiz.....0..0i131j0j0i10j0i22i30j33i22i29i30j33i160 .SJ7ypZ2GAx4


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[XU 87]

But you know '87. It's not the cold, but the frequency/severity/unusualness of storms now. That's the new watchword.
Oh, but "climate" not weather....for years. :dizzy:

Poor Denver:

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/03/03/denver-weather-near-record-cold/

And poor Minneapolis:

https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2019/03/03/record-snowfall-february-record-temps-march/

In fact, poor North America:

http://hp2.wright-weather.com/icons/us_chill.gif

I guess the warming is also causing the world to get cooler (which I believe the New York governor just claimed):

https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/03/04/historic-cold-envelops-most-of-the-lower-48/

[UCGRAD4X]

That's why they went to "climate change' so they have all the angles covered and still "control the narrative".

[bobbiemcgee]

2000 avalanches in CO this year so far. Snowpack 128%. Colorado River water wars with AZ and CA put off another year. Come on out and get buried. Skiing is great except you can't get there. I-70 is closed all the time for snow removal. Good thing the summers are heavenly.

[SemajParlor]

2000 avalanches in CO this year so far. Come on out and get buried. Good thing the summers are heavenly.

But there's not even an avalanche in my backyard.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, it’s the offseason with one of the coldest Marches on record. But whatever.
I love the following cartoon. Perfectly done.2335

[bjf123]

Hey, it’s the offseason with one of the coldest Marches on record. But whatever.
I love the following cartoon. Perfectly done.2335

Like many on here, I’m old enough to remember the hysteria in the 70’s. Weren’t we all going to be dead before the year 2000 as most of the US would be covered by a glacier?


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[Lloyd Braun]

Hey, it’s the offseason with one of the coldest Marches on record. But whatever.
I love the following cartoon. Perfectly done.2335

It was 70 in Alaska this week (first time ever in March) and one of the warmest if not the warmest on record for them.... does that mean global warming is real? No, it would be silly to use one region’s weather in March to prove or disprove global warming.

[XU 87]

It was 70 in Alaska this week (first time ever in March) and one of the warmest if not the warmest on record for them.... does that mean global warming is real? No, it would be silly to use one region’s weather in March to prove or disprove global warming.

Hmmm, the left would never use one weather event to support their belief in global warming? You better tell that to your fellow global warmers to stop doing this:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jan/26/climate-change-andrew-cuomo-snowstorm-extreme-weather

https://www.chron.com/news/article/Al-Gore-global-warming-will-cause-more-Hurricane-12300688.php

I have to admit, you global warmers have cornered the market when guys like Cuomo will use a snow storm to argue that global warming exists. It gets cold = global warming. It gets hot = global warming. Hurricanes= global warming. You can't lose with that logic!

[paulxu]

It was 70 in Alaska this week (first time ever in March) and one of the warmest if not the warmest on record for them.... does that mean global warming is real? No, it would be silly to use one region’s weather in March to prove or disprove global warming.

Whoa...slow down there big fella. You keep that up and people might learn there's a difference between weather and climate.

[vee4xu]

Hahaha, this thing is gonna have its 6th birthday in a few months.

Who knows the last time I even paid attention to this thread much less posted on it.

Since I'm here I have one question for all of you keeping this nonsense alive.

Do you think that the shit, piss, trash, refuse, garbage and carbon emissions of 7 billion people, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, year-after-year has zero effect on this world's atmosphere, drinking water and weather patterns?

If you're answer to this very simple question is no, then my response back to is - prove it!!! If you can't prove there is no impact, then that should be the end of the thread.

[scoscox]

Ah yes the old prove a negative. Great logic.

This thread is 6 years old and an inconvenient truth is almost 20 years old and almost none of the global warming predictions have come to pass. Maybe the onus is on you to prove your claim is real

I’d be more inclined to listen if it didn’t seem to be a front for communism. Every prescription offered has something to do with centralizing federal power or completely scrapping capitalism or something else equally ridiculous.

[xu82]

I’m glad we have finally worked this out!

[bjf123]

I’ve probably said the before in this thread. Wasn’t Ohio covered in ice as recently at 15,000 years ago? Don’t think the warming that caused those glaciers to retreat was caused by man. This planet has been much warmer and much colder throughout its history. Are we possibly contributing to it, assuming it is actually, getting warmer? Of course it’s possible. However, if Mother Nature wants to warm it up, or cool it down, there’s not a damn thing we can about it.

I also remember back in the 70s when the scientists were saying we’d all be dead by now due to the coming ice age that was going to result in mass starvation and global wars.

Personally, I think it’s all about the scientists getting government research dollars. Nothing like predicting a coming catastrophe to open those purse strings!


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[xudash]

Hahaha, this thing is gonna have its 6th birthday in a few months.

Who knows the last time I even paid attention to this thread much less posted on it.

Since I'm here I have one question for all of you keeping this nonsense alive.

Do you think that the shit, piss, trash, refuse, garbage and carbon emissions of 7 billion people, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, year-after-year has zero effect on this world's atmosphere, drinking water and weather patterns?

If you're answer to this very simple question is no, then my response back to is - prove it!!! If you can't prove there is no impact, then that should be the end of the thread.

Full disclosure:

1. Vee is a classmate of mine; I consider him a friend and someone who thinks clearly; and

2. I've been at a Kentucky Derby party all day (i.e. I possess clarity of thought on an unabashed basis).

With that noted - at least we should all agree that 7 billion people on this rock should be sensitive to being good stewards of this planet.

Screw climate versus weather.

On an unrelated note, our friend from New York - the Congresswoman bartender - was seen this evening holding a sign which read: "quit murdering ducks in order to make duck tape". She is a titan of deep far left thought.

[bobbiemcgee]

These NASA guys must be full of sh...

https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/climate-time-machine

[WCWIII]

I’d be more inclined to listen if it didn’t seem to be a front for communism. Every prescription offered has something to do with centralizing federal power or completely scrapping capitalism or something else equally ridiculous.

Suggest you listen regardless of your political views. Stand by your views on matters of policy, but to be held to them in a closed-minded way on matters of fact, that's not good. But to ignore to listen ... that's really a big part of the problem (and it goes on with both sides).


These NASA guys must be full of sh...

https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/climate-time-machine

Why do you say that? There really isn't any propaganda, it's just presenting facts. - apologize if you agree these are facts and were being sarcastic.

[94GRAD]

These NASA guys must be full of sh...

https://climate.nasa.gov/interactives/climate-time-machine


Suggest you listen regardless of your political views. Stand by your views on matters of policy, but to be held to them in a closed-minded way on matters of fact, that's not good. But to ignore to listen ... that's really a big part of the problem (and it goes on with both sides).



Why do you say that? There really isn't any propaganda, it's just presenting facts.

William, Bobbie forgot to use his sarcasm font when posing this query.

[XU 87]

I went to grade school with WCWIII. I am pretty sure that in 1979 he gave a speech in Mr. Brockhoff's 8th grade science class about the impending doom of global cooling and the second coming of the ice age, and what we can do to prevent this upcoming catastrophe.

[WCWIII]

I went to grade school with WCWIII. I am pretty sure that in 1979 he gave a speech in Mr. Brockhoff's 8th grade science class about the impending doom of global cooling and the second coming of the ice age, and what we can do to prevent this upcoming catastrophe.

Science advances! (and my speech was in 4th grade after the field trip to see the poor Woolly Mammoths in Eden Park).

[Masterofreality]

March and April were miserable and May is starting out the same way. When are the Palm Trees going to sprout on Lake Erie?

And, yeah, it's been 6 years since I started this thread.....and Damn Proud of IT!!! The longer it goes, it continues to show up the inaccuracy and disingenuous nature of the climate change honks. Hell, this is now half of the time frame that stupid- and I use that term intentionally- US Rep AOC has given the planet- 12 years- before we all hit Armageddon. Shouldn't we all be starting to bake now? I went to an Indians ballgame last night on May 4 and it was 47 degrees- at 4pm. Last time I checked, people are still living in, and moving to Las Vegas and Phoenix. Most of those that are moving are from, wow, California where a large number of change honks are holding forth and all the BS is raising taxes to unsustainable levels. Oh, and how's that SF to LA high speed train going, Governor? Oh, you pulled the plug?

Hey folks. There ain't anything happening. Meanwhile the biggest offenders- China and India don't give a sheet and keep on keeping on polluting even after those ridiculous "Paris Accords". Thank the ever loving Almighty that we pulled out of that cesspool of ripoff. Here are some true facts from the NCDC/NOAA:
-The average US temperature for March was almost 1 degree- (.82) BELOW average.
-Only 6% of the contiguous US was classified as in "Drought" condition on April 2, 2019. That is the LOWEST drought footprints on record.
-California was drought free.
-Montana had it's lowest temperature ever recorded in March, 2019 with a low of -46 at Elk Park, MT on 3/4/19

I'll still be here in 6 more years keeping this thread alive pointing out the same thing. Plants bloom in the spring exactly when they're supposed to, it gets hot when it's supposed to---that is when it's not cold when it's not supposed to be---the autumn happens when it's supposed to with leaves colored and falling from trees, and the snow happens at the Holidays. Despite all the money grant rip offs that haughty "scientists" (with total respect to my Brother WCW) keep collecting, Mother Nature will rule. Man has zero match or effect on what The Mother will do.

Yes. Let's all be cognizant of not littering or polluting, lets take good care of our space, but make those in government- like those totally irresponsible LOCAL politicians in Flint,- do the right things with the exorbitant taxes they collect and clean up their water and sewage instead of wasting their money on local pork barrel. The Fed shouldn't be called upon to bail out local communities from their idiocy. If you F up, you fix it. The rest of us have our own problems.

Here's to another 6 years of warming- Because I froze my ass off yesterday.

[X-man]

March and April were miserable and May is starting out the same way. When are the Palm Trees going to sprout on Lake Erie?

And, yeah, it's been 6 years since I started this thread.....and Damn Proud of IT!!! The longer it goes, it continues to show up the inaccuracy and disingenuous nature of the climate change honks. Hell, this is now half of the time frame that stupid- and I use that term intentionally- US Rep AOC has given the planet- 12 years- before we all hit Armageddon. Shouldn't we all be starting to bake now? I went to an Indians ballgame last night on May 4 and it was 47 degrees- at 4pm. Last time I checked, people are still living in, and moving to Las Vegas and Phoenix. Most of those that are moving are from, wow, California where a large number of change honks are holding forth and all the BS is raising taxes to unsustainable levels. Oh, and how's that SF to LA high speed train going, Governor? Oh, you pulled the plug?

Hey folks. There ain't anything happening. Meanwhile the biggest offenders- China and India don't give a sheet and keep on keeping on polluting even after those ridiculous "Paris Accords". Thank the ever loving Almighty that we pulled out of that cesspool of ripoff.

I'll still be here in 6 more years keeping this thread alive pointing out the same thing. Plants bloom in the spring exactly when they're supposed to, it gets hot when it's supposed to---that is when it's not cold when it's not supposed to be---the autumn happens when it's supposed to with leaves colored and falling from trees, and the snow happens at the Holidays. Despite all the money grant rip offs that haughty "scientists" (with total respect to my Brother WCW) keep collecting, Mother Nature will rule. Man has zero match or effect on what The Mother will do.

Yes. Let's all be cognizant of not littering or polluting, lets take good care of our space, but let those in government- like those totally irresponsible LOCAL politicians in Flint,- do the right things with the exorbitant taxes they collect and clean up their water and sewage instead of wasting their money on local pork barrel. The Fed shouldn't be called upon to bail out local communities from their idiocy. If you F up, you fix it. The rest of us have our own problems.

Here's to another 6 years of warming- Because I froze my ass off yesterday.
Too bad you aren't living in Cincinnati. We have had a gorgeous spring, although the temperatures have been above normal.

[XU 87]

Cincinnati had a low of 48 degrees this morning. Brrrrr, that's cold.

It was cold last night too. I was wearing my winter coat.

I was gong to smoke a cigar on my deck after going out for dinner last night, but it was just too damn cold.

As for you global cooling deniers who say this is "weather not climate", I just ask you to look at the science and evidence.

And I'm not sure what X-Man is referring to regarding our gorgeous weather, at least for March. Our average temperature in March was at and likely below the standard, including one day when it was 25 and 6 or 7 days in the 30's.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/cincinnati-oh/45229/march-weather/350126

[bobbiemcgee]

Comparing the current weather to global warming is like comparing Joey Votto's trips to the plate today against his lifetime average.


Maybe you'll have to go to trump's gov website:


https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature

[XU 87]

Comparing the current weather to global warming is like comparing Joey Votto's trips to the plate today against his lifetime average.




Don't be a global cooling denier.

[X-man]

Cincinnati had a low of 48 degrees this morning. Brrrrr, that's cold.

It was cold last night too. I was wearing my winter coat.

I was gong to smoke a cigar on my deck after going out for dinner last night, but it was just too damn cold.

As for you global cooling deniers who say this is "weather not climate", I just ask you to look at the science and evidence.

And I'm not sure what X-Man is referring to regarding our gorgeous weather, at least for March. Our average temperature in March was at and likely below the standard, including one day when it was 25 and 6 or 7 days in the 30's.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/cincinnati-oh/45229/march-weather/350126
Cherry picking as usual, eh 87? Using your site, I found that March was above average half of the days, and April was above average over two-thirds of the days. May has also begun above average. However unlike you and MOR, I don't confuse local weather with climate. Notice I said nothing to MOR other than to say that our spring, which I might add begins in April, has been delightful. Even my wife, who complains about the weather constantly, agrees with me. And if you found spring this year to be otherwise, I pity your sad sack.

[XU 87]

Cherry picking as usual, eh 87? Using your site, I found that March was above average half of the days, and April was above average over two-thirds of the days. May has also begun above average. However unlike you and MOR, I don't confuse local weather with climate. Notice I said nothing to MOR other than to say that our spring, which I might add begins in April, has been delightful. Even my wife, who complains about the weather constantly, agrees with me. And if you found spring this year to be otherwise, I pity your sad sack.

So you wife did a lot of complaining in March, especially all those sub-40 days?

[X-man]

So you wife did a lot of complaining in March, especially all those sub-40 days?

Probably, although there were only 5 days where that happened.

[Strange Brew]

Cherry picking as usual, eh 87? Using your site, I found that March was above average half of the days, and April was above average over two-thirds of the days. May has also begun above average. However unlike you and MOR, I don't confuse local weather with climate. Notice I said nothing to MOR other than to say that our spring, which I might add begins in April, has been delightful. Even my wife, who complains about the weather constantly, agrees with me. And if you found spring this year to be otherwise, I pity your sad sack.

First day of Spring was March 20th this year.

[X-man]

First day of Spring was March 20th this year.

And in over half the days in March starting on March 20, the temperature in Cincinnati was above average. Thanks for assisting my argument.

[Strange Brew]

And in over half the days in March starting on March 20, the temperature in Cincinnati was above average. Thanks for assisting my argument.

No, just didn’t want you to dumb down the board...again.

How’s that Trump market correction??? Haha!

[scoscox]

Suggest you listen regardless of your political views. Stand by your views on matters of policy, but to be held to them in a closed-minded way on matters of fact, that's not good. But to ignore to listen ... that's really a big part of the problem (and it goes on with both sides).


I’ll listen to discussions of the climate, but I won’t listen to any of the apocalyptic hyperbole. And all the solutions presented by extremely far left politicians that conveniently implement all their policy goals corrupt most of the good faith of the discussion.

[noteggs]

I’ll listen to discussions of the climate, but I won’t listen to any of the apocalyptic hyperbole. And all the solutions presented by extremely far left politicians that conveniently implement all their policy goals corrupt most of the good faith of the discussion.

Well said!

Also, I’ll continue to recycle more than my neighbors, wife will continue to bring her own bags to Kroger, and still use run off rain water to water our plants. Like Dash said, we need to be good stewards.

[X-man]

No, just didn’t want you to dumb down the board...again.

How’s that Trump market correction??? Haha!

You're the one who claims to know something of economics, yet actually knows nothing. The really sad thing is that you actually believe you know what you are talking about. But since you are throwing insults around, I thought I'd let you know just how idiotic most of your commentary is.

[WCWIII]

I’ll listen to discussions of the climate, but I won’t listen to any of the apocalyptic hyperbole. And all the solutions presented by extremely far left politicians that conveniently implement all their policy goals corrupt most of the good faith of the discussion.

Glad you've come around and will listen. I understand your main point and it is a problem both ways.

The hyperbole (which usually comes from the media rather than scientists themselves, but not always) is indeed a big part of the problem. I know scientifically, that human's release of CO2 has augmented green house gasses (including water vapor) which has resulted in temperature rise (much more extreme in the arctic area than in the US). I can't make an argument that the result of the temperature rise so far has been definitively positive or negative such as "more recent extreme weather". Actually, a possible first real effect might be the opening of the shipping lanes north of Russia which might negatively impact the US economy/security ... but we will see. I do know that many (not all) of the models and forecasts suggest that we should really take concern and somehow find common ground instead of a left vs right battle. Like the hyperbole of rapists and terrorists amongst the want-to-be immigrants and asylum seekers presented by the far right has precluded both sides from at least implementing something common ground regarding immigration (but that discussion belongs in the politics thread).

Not you, but others dissing the scientists, shouldn't until they at least have looked at facts. Same can be said for non-layers or non-doctors, etc. on various topics. People just making stuff up because of their political leanings when a few minutes of internet research can usually provide some basic knowledge and make people more aware of common ground for their starting point and then argue left or right for more.

[Strange Brew]

You're the one who claims to know something of economics, yet actually knows nothing. The really sad thing is that you actually believe you know what you are talking about. But since you are throwing insults around, I thought I'd let you know just how idiotic most of your commentary is.

Haha, Trump correction. Wrong as always. Haha. Derper.

[Strange Brew]

You're the one who claims to know something of economics, yet actually knows nothing. The really sad thing is that you actually believe you know what you are talking about. But since you are throwing insults around, I thought I'd let you know just how idiotic most of your commentary is.

Well, you gave me an A in your Econ class...

[xu82]

Well said!

Also, I’ll continue to recycle more than my neighbors, wife will continue to bring her own bags to Kroger, and still use run off rain water to water our plants. Like Dash said, we need to be good stewards.

All in on being good stewards! We are very conscious of our water usage, we recycle as much as possible (I was shocked when they stopped with glass here?) but I do not take my bags that I own to the grocery store. We have a dog. You could argue that the small bags you get from the park use less plastic, but you have to consider how many you use. My 60 pound dog seems to poop half her weight daily. Her personal best on a walk around the block is FOUR times. I’m sure I have a bagful in the backyard as I type! Don’t get me started on my son’s puppy!!! Half my dogs size, but eats 50% more! That’s A LOT of poop bags!

Now, back to the never ending topic at hand.....

[bobbiemcgee]

poop! You talkin' 'bout poop?

[xu82]

poop! You talkin' 'bout poop?

I’d rather talk about it than pick it up! Unfortunately, that’s not generally how it goes.....

[Juice]

Carl Bildt
@carlbildt
China was responsible for 28% of global carbon dioxide emissions in 2017 - that’s more CO2 than all European, African, and Latin American countries combined.

[X-man]

Well, you gave me an A in your Econ class...

Sorry that you didn't retain anything from the class. Then again if your memory is that bad, you likely don't remember your grade in the class either.

[Masterofreality]

Carl Bildt
@carlbildt
China was responsible for 28% of global carbon dioxide emissions in 2017 - that’s more CO2 than all European, African, and Latin American countries combined.

Yeah. And they weren't called upon to do anything immediately by the Paris Accords. Just that they "promised" to reduce carbon emissions to 20% of GDP by 2030- which, according to the Website "Climate Action Tracker" is "Highly Insufficient". In fact, the peak year for China's emissions isn't even supposed to be reached until "somewhere between 2020 and 2030" with the latest peak estimation coming in at 2025.

See, that's great. The US has already been doing things that reduced our pollution for years and were gonna be slammed more by Paris. Meanwhile, the world just kinda pats China on the head and says, ahhhh, that's Ok. You just keep increasing pollutants for another 10 years (from 2015 when the Accords happened) and then "Try". China's latest "promised" modernization target date is 2035!!.

What a freaking scam and Thank Gawd Trump pulled us out of that trash heap.

[Lloyd Braun]

Good thing humans don’t contribute to our climate or China’s pollution would be bad news! Mother Nature laughs in the face of China!

[paulxu]

The Paris Accord imposed no legal requirements on the US.
We will not formally be out of the agreement until the day after the next presidential election in 2020.
Much of China's problem stems from using coal as a power source.
I thought using coal was part of MAGA?

[vee4xu]

The world’s population nearly doubled in the past 50 years from 3.7 billion people to over 7 billion people. If over the next 50 years the population grows only 50% there will be nearly 11 billion people. More human waste, more trash, more carbon emissions, more pesticides running into drinking water and much more dense population resulting in more buildings, which retain more heat. For those of you who think all is well, may I suggest you write a letter to be opened by your loved ones 50 years from now letting them know what you think about the world today and how you felt everything was going to be just hunky-dory. Surely, they’ll appreciate your sentiments as they maneuver through a world changed by all the stuff in just mentioned.

[scoscox]

The world’s population nearly doubled in the past 50 years from 3.7 billion people to over 7 billion people. If over the next 50 years the population grows only 50% there will be nearly 11 billion people. More human waste, more trash, more carbon emissions, more pesticides running into drinking water and much more dense population resulting in more buildings, which retain more heat. For those of you who think all is well, may I suggest you write a letter to be opened by your loved ones 50 years from now letting them know what you think about the world today and how you felt everything was going to be just hunky-dory. Surely, they’ll appreciate your sentiments as they maneuver through a world changed by all the stuff in just mentioned.

sooo, what are we gonna do about that? sterilize every indian and african?

[XU 87]

Global cooling is hurting the maple syrup industry. And oh, the NYT misrepresented a few key facts.


https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/05/06/opinion_why_the_nyts_maple_syrup_story_tastes_funn y.html

[Masterofreality]

Global cooling is hurting the maple syrup industry. And oh, the NYT misrepresented a few key facts.


https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/05/06/opinion_why_the_nyts_maple_syrup_story_tastes_funn y.html

Which is what the NYT does when it doesn't exactly fit their editorial narrative. Kinda like Dan Rather did when he totally falsified the story about George W. Bush's Texas National Guard service in 2004.

[XU 87]

Which is what the NYT does when it doesn't exactly fit their editorial narrative. Kinda like Dan Rather did when he totally falsified the story about George W. Bush's Texas National Guard service in 2004.

Hey, Dan still stands by that story!

But like Dan, This NYT journalist should be fired for writing this phony story.

[Masterofreality]

The Paris Accord imposed no legal requirements on the US.
We will not formally be out of the agreement until the day after the next presidential election in 2020.
Much of China's problem stems from using coal as a power source.
I thought using coal was part of MAGA?

Jeezuz Paul. China's coal production useage/production has zero to do with Trump. NADA, but you try to make a ridiculous connection.
China PRODUCES 46% and USES 51% of the world's supply of coal...and it ain't falling. Hell, Trump is putting, or threatening to put, much higher tariffs on stuff China related so you have no argument here. In fact, China's own production of coal was 2.1% HIGHER in December 2018 than it was in 2017 and they even ramped up and opened NEW mines in 2018, so they ain't living up to any promises.

As I said in the very first post on this thread almost 6 years ago, quit flogging the US over this stuff. Turn your cynical gaze east to China and India who just blatantly flaunt any "commitments" to theiir economic benefit and what would be our economic disadvantage.
Thank Gawd Obummer's trash pledges are gone.

[paulxu]

You make some good points.
But China did have a couple of years of decreasing emissions.
Once the economy there heats up, they us coal power, so their emissions increased.
They also lead the world in solar panel production and wind turbines. They are at least making an effort...and have a LONG way to go.

In contrast, while we might chastise them for being a big emitter...it's from coal. So they need to reduce that.
Conversely, Trump was touting coal and trying to increase it.
There's a disconnect there somewhere.
Sort of like Trump continuing to say China is paying for the tariffs.

Do you suppose his twitter followers actually believe that?

[bjf123]

Hey, Dan still stands by that story!

But like Dan, This NYT journalist should be fired for writing this phony story.

I’m sure the HR folks at the NYT are working on the termination right now!


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[noteggs]

I’m sure the HR folks at the NYT are working on the termination right now!


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Either that or submitting the story for a Pulitzer.

[vee4xu]

People on both sides of the issue need to understand the following words and practice each as it relates to the environment:

Sustainability
Stewardship
Respect
Open mindedness

The more people that inhabit the earth, the more important these words become. Many, most of us will not be here 50-75 years from today and it’s the world that those people are living then that’s important. But, it’s decisions we all make today that will create the world they live in 50-75 years and beyond. If we all take this approach, it brightly highlights the shortsightedness of this thread. Thus, it should be replaced with a thread emphasizing sustainability, stewardship, respect and open-mindedness. This a proactive approach and the results are positive. Who can't get behind and support that? All the other stuff is a distraction.

[xubrew]

I haven't read this thread in over a year, and am not responding to anything in particular. I just wanted to share an observation....

Just about every environmental conscious person that I know is a complete slob. On the flip side, the vast majority of conservatives I know are neat freaks. Say what you want about trump. His buildings and hotels are immaculate.

That always struck me as being kind of backwards. You'd think that if there were a group of people who wanted to make the human race clean their rooms and clean up their mess, it'd be the conservatives.

Anyway, back to how it's all a hoax even though it really isn't.

[Masterofreality]

Except......that it is.

[xubrew]

The list of things that the Pope, the Pentagon, the Chinese, and the scientific community all independently agree on, in any capacity, is very very small. The idea that those four entities are conspiring together to pull off an elaborate hoax is simply absurd. I suppose one could argue that climate change is not a thing, and that these people are simply mistaken, and not sound like a fool. I don't think they'd be right, but I think it would be at least worth listening to. To call it a hoax is foolish. What kind of diplomacy do people think exists between those four groups?? I mean...BOY! You really gotta watch out for the Pope and the Chinese! I'm telling you when those two get together the hoaxes are legendary!

[XU 87]

The list of things that the Pope, the Pentagon, the Chinese, and the scientific community all independently agree on,

Of course the Chinese claim there is "climate change". They want fools like the US and Europe to make all these dramatic changes, which will make doing business cost prohibitive in those countries. China will then welcome these businesses with open arms.

The Chinese slogan will be - "Come to China. We don't have all these stupid environmental rules."

[scoscox]

I mean...BOY! You really gotta watch out for the Pope and the Chinese!

I mean, you really do have to look out for the chinese. probably our biggest enemy alongside russia and they are much more powerful. shockingly, both countries aggressively push apocalyptic climate change theories

[xubrew]

I mean, you really do have to look out for the chinese. probably our biggest enemy alongside russia and they are much more powerful. shockingly, both countries aggressively push apocalyptic climate change theories

So does the Pentagon. If it's a hoax, then the Pentagon is in on it, which means they're working with China, which means that maybe they really aren't an enemy since the diplomacy is strong enough for us to work with them to pull off this great hoax. I want the people calling this a hoax to be right, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that they are.

[scoscox]

So does the Pentagon. If it's a hoax, then the Pentagon is in on it, which means they're working with China, which means that maybe they really aren't an enemy since the diplomacy is strong enough for us to work with them to pull off this great hoax. I want the people calling this a hoax to be right, but I SERIOUSLY doubt that they are.

true. and i don't really think it's a hoax, although i do think people go a little overboard on the doom and gloom at times. i was mostly disturbed by your comment implying china is some sort of innocent player in our international relations. i occasionally see that and it really bothers me. china is a serious threat and too many people don't treat them as such

[xubrew]

true. and i don't really think it's a hoax, although i do think people go a little overboard on the doom and gloom at times. i was mostly disturbed by your comment implying china is some sort of innocent player in our international relations. i occasionally see that and it really bothers me. china is a serious threat and too many people don't treat them as such

Oh, okay.

Well, that's not what I was implying. I was trying to point out that four groups that could not possibly have less in common with one another, and that have virtually no common interests, and if anything are all adversaries, all independently came up with the same conclusion.

[paulxu]

One can't deny that China is a major competitor of the US, and has to be faced on a variety of fronts.
Their stealing technology especially must be addressed.
But almost half of the investment in renewable energy in the entire world last year was made by China.
Their dependence on coal slowed their emission reduction for a couple of years, but they are heavily investing in renewable...far more than the US.

Instead of throwing unfounded claims around, hoaxes and fake news and what not, we should be concentrating on preserving the planet (and leaving it better than we found it) for our grandchildren.

[Masterofreality]

One can't deny that China is a major competitor of the US, and has to be faced on a variety of fronts.
Their stealing technology especially must be addressed.
But almost half of the investment in renewable energy in the entire world last year was made by China.
Their dependence on coal slowed their emission reduction for a couple of years, but they are heavily investing in renewable...far more than the US.

Instead of throwing unfounded claims around, hoaxes and fake news and what not, we should be concentrating on preserving the planet (and leaving it better than we found it) for our grandchildren.

Yeah, Right Paul. I guess you didn't read what I had posted a few days ago on this thread.

"China PRODUCES 46% and USES 51% of the world's supply of coal...and it ain't falling. In fact, China's own production of coal was 2.1% HIGHER in December 2018 than it was in 2017 and they even ramped up and opened NEW mines in 2018, so they ain't living up to any promises."

The "fake news" is that China is actually acting like they're doing something...when in fact they are not- other than opening new coal mines that is. Oh, yeah, they are definitely investing in BUSINESSES that will sell these garbage pieces of renewable energy crap like wind power to places like the US, but they'll laugh ever using that trash themselves. All it does is enrich them while the rest of the world ties themselves in knots being so "responsible".
Just stop with the Chinese have the right intentions, but just give them a little more time pap.

And, by the way. The Planet, at least as the US part is concerned, is way better than "as we found it". Remember pictures of sooty Pittsburgh? Remember the Cuyahoga River catching on fire? Remember acid rain? We've done our part. Make the rest of the world- namely India and China- spend up....and fast.

[xudash]

One can't deny that China is a major competitor of the US, and has to be faced on a variety of fronts.
Their stealing technology especially must be addressed.
But almost half of the investment in renewable energy in the entire world last year was made by China.
Their dependence on coal slowed their emission reduction for a couple of years, but they are heavily investing in renewable...far more than the US.

Instead of throwing unfounded claims around, hoaxes and fake news and what not, we should be concentrating on preserving the planet (and leaving it better than we found it) for our grandchildren.

Totally agree that we must be better stewards of the planet.

US v China energy policy and strategy is complicated. We've been an industrial power for over a century. China is a late bloomer.

I wonder if part of this is about NBV of assets in the older energy tech sectors in the US that must flow through. Couple that with jobs in those sectors that would - will eventually - be lost.

We have to get there, but with a cogent plan.

[bobbiemcgee]

Oh, yeah, they are definitely investing in BUSINESSES that will sell these garbage pieces of renewable energy crap like wind power to places like the US

Funny that S. Dakota, Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma, all red states, now get more than 30% of their energy from wind power.

[Masterofreality]

Funny that S. Dakota, Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma, all red states, now get more than 30% of their energy from wind power.

Funny that a guy who lives in Colorado, who is a "Global Warming" proponent, had big snow in Colorado on May 22.

Oh yeah....."Climate Change". #ChildPlease

[GoMuskies]

Funny that S. Dakota, Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma, all red states, now get more than 30% of their energy from wind power.

If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.

[XU 87]

If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.

And therein lies the problem with leftists. It doesn't matter if we have the technology or not. It doesn't matter if something is economically viable or reliable. Their attitude is, "I demand this form of energy NOW because I really like this other form of energy."

It's like telling Edison in 1860, "I don't care if you will need until 1879 to invent the light bulb. We need it now. So give it to us now."

[Masterofreality]

If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.

*Maybe* in one small area.
They have a zillion windmills in Southern Ontario. My Canadian friends tell me that their "hydro" (Canadian term for electric) bills are outrageous, plus they went up considerably after the attempted switch. If you drive in western Ontario on the 401 between London and Detroit, you'll see them, half the time not spinning at all because of lack of wind. The expense to erect one of those monstrosities is about $4 million installed, plus the "view pollution". They are NOT pretty of quaint.

There has been this misguided move to try to install gigantic turbine windmills on man made islands IN Lake Erie. Talk about screwing up shipping lanes, more View Pollution, and the risks of more boating accidents. Plus, who is going to pay for the damn things and how would they be integrated into the present power system? Even in the Cuyahoga Socialist State that I live in, the liberal bastion of Ohio, NOBODY is stepping up to pay for the junk, plus projections are that the shortfall from any wind benefit would cause even more grid problem- and it doesn't blow everyday.

These are Buck Rogers Pipe Dreams that will never be feasible. What a ridiculous scam. Just read this Newsweek article penned by a Utah State Professor Randy Simmons in 2015 who was terrified of Obummer's "alternative energy" policy, and who also points out that the true costs of wind power always omit the Governmental Subsidies which by 2014 under Obummer's admin had reached $30 billion. By the way, most of the beneficiaries of these subsidies are, wait for it...Foreign companies. In 2010 the wind energy sector received 42% of total federal energy subsidies while producing 2% of total electricity- and this money goes to wealthy FOREIGN wind producers.


https://www.newsweek.com/whats-true-cost-wind-power-321480

[bjf123]

If you’ve ever been to the southern end of the Big Island of Hawaii, there are a bunch of wind turbines in various stages of disrepair. Back in the late 80s and early 90s, they were new and supposed to provide a lot of the power for the island. They weren’t economically viable, so they’ve been left to fall apart.

I agree that everyone would be on board if wind and solar could provide all of our needs at a reasonable cost. However, most people are not going to accept it if it means their monthly utility bill triples.


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[bobbiemcgee]

I was in Atlanta all week where it was 90...whew... too hot for May. Happy with the snow pack this year as are the 6 states that depend on it. COME on snow! As usual you are confusing current weather with warming. Pompeo thinks it's great the Artic ice pac has melted to the point that it has opened up new shipping lanes. What a moron. Anyway, my point was wind power makes sense in places where it makes sense such as the Great Plains. Those red states seem to agree. Not a great solution for Lake Erie or NJ.

[Masterofreality]

I was in Atlanta all week where it was 90...whew... too hot for May. Happy with the snow pack this year as are the 6 states that depend on it. COME on snow! As usual you are confusing current weather with warming. Pompeo thinks it's great the Artic ice pac has melted to the point that it has opened up new shipping lanes. What a moron. Anyway, my point was wind power makes sense in places where it makes sense such as the Great Plains. Those red states seem to agree. Not a great solution for Lake Erie or NJ.

Bobbie. Please. Rather than just quoting stuff through your blue colored glasses, how about reading a very well researched and well written article by an academic who has zero financial skin in the alternative energy game. You might actually learn something.

[Masterofreality]

Yup. As always.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/walsh-asia-responsible-vast-majority-air-and-water-matt-walsh

[XU 87]

I was in Cleveland two weeks ago. It was really cold. Why doesn't Cleveland get any global warming? It doesn't seem fair.

[WCWIII]

I was in Cleveland two weeks ago. It was really cold. Why doesn't Cleveland get any global warming? It doesn't seem fair.

It's not so much Cleveland, but a bit farther north. Russian and China will have a new northern sea route to propel their economies. Just sayin'

It's actually a good question, what will be the first real impacts assuming there are impacts beyond normal fluctuations? Some are saying that it's the extreme recent weather. I'm not convinced there is a direct tie when we know natural fluctuations can sometimes cause extreme weather by themselves, plausible, but hard to prove. Florida being a half way under water ... I think most still project that's likely not until next century.

If you look where there has been dominate temperature rise, it's the northern arctic regions. My own predictions is that the first real effects felt will be two-fold economic but against the US's interests. One, being the commerce shipping channels controlled by China and Russia in the north. The second being behind in innovative green technologies and all the economic boom from them (regardless of whether there is large scale climate change imminent on the decade long time scale).

I usually only speak on scientific facts. This is more of an opinion piece. Completely acknowledge that Cleveland is not likely to be impacted soon. But I raise two economic predictions. The first ... if temps do continue to rise (and not much more) there will be new routes for shipping in the arctic regions and those regions are controlled by China and Russia. The second ... who cares about warming or not ... the question is there the potential for economic growth in high tech green technologies over ignoring their world-wide potential and should we let others lead in those technologies?

And with all this said, and as much as I strongly appreciate Greta, my wife are flying on a fabulous vacation in October and I'm not going to feel guilty about it. And I'll probably try to drive around in a diesel. We all have to pick and choose.

[Lloyd Braun]

I was in Cleveland two weeks ago. It was really cold. Why doesn't Cleveland get any global warming? It doesn't seem fair.

2 weeks ago it was 95 degrees here and approached/surpassed record highs. Not saying that has anything to do with global warming, just saying you might be mistaking 2 weeks ago with 2 seasons ago!

[XU 87]

2 weeks ago it was 95 degrees here and approached/surpassed record highs. Not saying that has anything to do with global warming, just saying you might be mistaking 2 weeks ago with 2 seasons ago!

Nope- I was there on September 15. Very chilly. I wore my Xavier pullover all evening. Brrrrrrrrrrrrr.

[94GRAD]

Global Warming has definitely hit Cincinnati. I sweat my 'nards off this afternoon mowing my lawn!!!

[XU 87]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topstories/historic-all-out-blizzard-to-bury-huge-swath-of-central-us-unleash-punishing-cold-blast/ar-AAIwAl8?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=HPDHP17

I keep warning you about the horrible consequences of global cooling, but some of you aren't listening. Let's not wait until it's too late.

[nuts4xu]

http://https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html (https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html)

[STL_XUfan]

http://https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html (https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-08-30-nasa-admits-climate-change-not-caused-by-suvs-fossil-fuels.html)

I am not sure this is the most reliable source based on their other articles:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-20-government-using-flu-shot-to-control-your-immune-system.html
(https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-20-government-using-flu-shot-to-control-your-immune-system.html)

[nuts4xu]

I am not sure this is the most reliable source based on their other articles:

https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-20-government-using-flu-shot-to-control-your-immune-system.html
(https://www.naturalnews.com/2019-10-20-government-using-flu-shot-to-control-your-immune-system.html)

I found it on a link while surfing Facebook, so it HAS to be reliable....DUH!

[Masterofreality]

Ya, know. Maybe those in leadership in India might just think about stopping to pollute? It’s just an idea.https://www.aninews.in/news/national/general-news/principal-secretary-to-prime-minister-cabinet-secretary-to-hold-meeting-on-air-pollution-in-delhi-ncr20191103180715/

[UCGRAD4X]

https://www.teaparty247.org/global-warming-is-officially-out-as-researchers-work-hard-to-bring-us-the-next-climate-change-hoax/

Climate scientists predicting Ice Age,

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn't realize the tea party is still relevant with an additional 2 trillion deficit in 2 years.

[paulxu]

Scientists have a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat and to “tell it like it is.” On the basis of this obligation and the graphical indicators presented below, we declare, with more than 11,000 scientist signatories from around the world, clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency.

Here's 11,000+ scientists that think something is going on.

https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806

[XU 87]

I saw snowflakes on Halloween. It was so cold our annual neighborhood Halloween party was cancelled. If that doesn't tell you that global cooling is upon us, I don't what will.

[Strange Brew]

I saw snowflakes on Halloween. It was so cold our annual neighborhood Halloween party was cancelled. If that doesn't tell you that global cooling is upon us, I don't what will.

I cleared about a total of 15 inches of snow off my driveway late Mon thu mid Weds last week. I know it s CO but when CDOT says to stay home you listen..

[muskienick]

I saw snowflakes on Halloween. It was so cold our annual neighborhood Halloween party was cancelled. If that doesn't tell you that global cooling is upon us, I don't what will.

Where was your post in early October when the temperature rose above 90? (It's all relative --- and the name of the game is "GLOBAL" climate change over a long period of time (30 years), not just warming or cooling on Podunk Street in Anytown, Iowa on some specific date!

[bobbiemcgee]

I cleared about a total of 15 inches of snow off my driveway late Mon thu mid Weds last week. I know it s CO but when CDOT says to stay home you listen..

Balmy 72 today. Made two birdie putts.

[GoMuskies]

It was cold and miserable in Miami yesterday. Miami!

[XU 87]

I cleared about a total of 15 inches of snow off my driveway late Mon thu mid Weds last week. I know it s CO but when CDOT says to stay home you listen..

Are you obtuse? When we have the usual or even unusual cold weather, that's just "weather". When we get hot weather, or a bad hurricane, or a tornado, those are examples of climate change and how it is adversely affecting the planet.

In fact, I've seen some arguments that the global warming is also causing global cooling.

[bjf123]

In fact, I've seen some arguments that the global warming is also causing global cooling.

Back in the 70s, we were going to be dead before the year 2000 from the coming ice age. Then the scientists “all” agreed we’d be dead by 2020 or 2030 from the coming heat wave and coastal flooding. Now, they’re saying we might be back to global cooling. Please excuse me if I don’t believe any of them.


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[XU 87]

Back in the 70s, we were going to be dead before the year 2000 from the coming ice age. Then the scientists “all” agreed we’d be dead by 2020 or 2030 from the coming heat wave and coastal flooding. Now, they’re saying we might be back to global cooling. Please excuse me if I don’t believe any of them.


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Don't be a denier. Global cooling is upon us. If we don't immediately do something to stop this, Victory Parkway will be covered by a glacier by 2025.

[WCWIII]

On the ice ages and global cooling predictions of the 1970s ...

Actually, thanks to the Nixon administration, the global cooling disaster of the 1970s was averted by the government choosing a correct balance between regulation and economic development limiting aerosols in the atmosphere. Remember telling mom how bad her hair spray was? Just wait if you need to refill your air conditioner with freon beginning next year.

As a bonus, has there been new technology development and expansion of the economy due to new developments to replace those evil aerosols? My favorite right now mists just a hint of vermouth over a well made gin for a near perfect martini. (Actually, it would be interesting to see what that economic impact (aerosols -> new atomizers) would be ... some researchers please). The 1970s thought was aerosols seed clouds which reflect sunlight and cause global cooling. Add some peripheral knowledge on periodic ice ages (with geologically long time periods) and there indeed were media reports (Newsweek and Time) of a possible upcoming ice ages (and taught to particularly impressionable youth at Guardian Angels grade school).

Fact is in the 1970s, there was no 97% scientific consensus. Predictions were more like 60% for global warming (because science started to include all the components like CO2 (human and volcanos) and aerosols and the C02- water vapor cycles and all those long term periodic variations) and 10% for global cooling, and 30% unsure. There was not a consensus as the modeling was not completely developed. However, science progresses and we now know the consensus that developed in the 1980s, 90s and (really, except for the 3% fringe - if they still exist, there isn't any controversy).

[scoscox]

On the ice ages and global cooling predictions of the 1970s ...

Actually, thanks to the Nixon administration, the global cooling disaster of the 1970s was averted by the government choosing a correct balance between regulation and economic development limiting aerosols in the atmosphere. Remember telling mom how bad her hair spray was? Just wait if you need to refill your air conditioner with freon beginning next year.

As a bonus, there has been all the new technology development and expansion of the economy due to new developments to replace those evil aerosols? My favorite right now mists just a hint of vermouth over a well made gin for a near perfect martini. (Actually, it would be interesting to see what that economic impact (aerosols -> new atomizers) would be ... some researchers please). The 1970s thought was aerosols seed clouds which reflect sunlight and cause global cooling. Add some peripheral knowledge on periodic ice ages (with geologically long time periods) and there indeed were media reports (Newsweek and Time) of a possible upcoming ice ages (and taught to particularly impressionable youth at Guardian Angels grade school).

Fact is in the 1970s, there was no 97% scientific consensus. Predictions were more like 60% for global warming (because science started to include all the components like CO2 (human and volcanos) and aerosols and the C02- water vapor cycles and all those long term periodic variations) and 10% for global cooling, and 30% unsure. There was not a consensus as the modeling was not completely developed. However, science progresses and we now know the consensus that developed in the 1980s, 90s and (really, except for the 3% fringe - if they still exist, there isn't any controversy).

yea those policy changes averted an ice age... sure.

i actually saw an article a few weeks ago about a couple scientists warning about global cooling again. don't know what to think. i look at it like those studies that come out every now and then talking about how red meat is bad for you and then another the next week telling you it's good for you again. it's just people trying to justify their research

[bjf123]

There’s no 97% consensus now either. That is a cherry picked subset of a very unscientific survey of not all climate scientists. A quick Google search returns a lot of articles disproving that number.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/97-percent-consensus-climate-myth/


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[WCWIII]

yea those policy changes averted an ice age... sure.

i actually saw an article a few weeks ago about a couple scientists warning about global cooling again. don't know what to think. i look at it like those studies that come out every now and then talking about how red meat is bad for you and then another the next week telling you it's good for you again. it's just people trying to justify their research

If you can find that article about global cooling from a few weeks ago, I'd be happy to take a look at it and see if we can identify if there are biases in that research. Also, let me know offline if you are really interested in learning about possible human climate change because you can (and it may not be easy) differentiate between research and those justifying their research.

I don't put down people in their own professions. I am a scientist and I just feel I have to stick up for the science (which is often different than what the media or special interests - (on both sides) often speak to.)

[scoscox]

If you can find that article about global cooling from a few weeks ago, I'd be happy to take a look at it and see if we can identify if there are biases in that research. Also, let me know offline if you are really interested in learning about possible human climate change because you can (and it may not be easy) differentiate between research and those justifying their research.

I don't put down people in their own professions. I am a scientist and I just feel I have to stick up for the science (which is often different than what the media or special interests - (on both sides) often speak to.)

I'll look for it. I think it was on CNN. I'm not trying to put down the scientists behind the research. I'm sure they're earnest in most respects. I just don't get caught up in the latest hysteria

[bjf123]

I'm not trying to put down the scientists behind the research. I'm sure they're earnest in most respects.

I agree with this sentiment. At the same time, the scientists need to raise funds for their research and there’s nothing better than predicting a global apocalypse to generate government provided research dollars.


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[UCGRAD4X]

I agree with this sentiment. At the same time, the scientists need to raise funds for their research and there’s nothing better than predicting a global apocalypse to generate government provided research dollars.

Maybe WCWIII can get a big grant for a scientific study of basketball fans at a certain midwest jesuit university during game days after walking from the kroger parking lot all winter. He is a scientist after all. And a damn good one I would wager.

[Masterofreality]

Maybe WCWIII can get a big grant for a scientific study of basketball fans at a certain midwest jesuit university during game days after walking from the kroger parking lot all winter. He is a scientist after all. And a damn good one I would wager.

More importantly, WCWIII needs to do a scientific study on accelerating particles that would more accurately direct the basketball from the hands of Naji Marshall, Quentin Gooden and Paul Scruggs into the basket from 22 feet, 2 inches away.

[Lloyd Braun]

Coronavirus helps climate change (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146362/airborne-nitrogen-dioxide-plummets-over-china)

[Strange Brew]

Coronavirus helps climate change (https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146362/airborne-nitrogen-dioxide-plummets-over-china)

Shit! I thought C was the problem. Now N? Truth is both are necessary for life and the author is a mook.

[Masterofreality]

We have now gone through the coldest April in Ohio in over 30 years. We are now in a month of May that is the coldest for 50 years- since 1970.

In 1970, the stories were that the Earth was entering a New Ice Age. Maybe between a Pandemic, Killer Hornets and a New Ice Age, 2020 will be the final downfall of Global Warming. The Pandemic has stopped carbon emissions in their tracks. No wonder things have gotten colder?

And which "modeling" is worse? Global Warming or Covid 19?

[XU 87]

We have now gone through the coldest April in Ohio in over 30 years. We are now in a month of May that is the coldest for 50 years- since 1970.

In 1970, the stories were that the Earth was entering a New Ice Age. Maybe between a Pandemic, Killer Hornets and a New Ice Age, 2020 will be the final downfall of Global Warming. The Pandemic has stopped carbon emissions in their tracks. No wonder things have gotten colder?

And which "modeling" is worse? Global Warming or Covid 19?

Don't you know that the global warming also causes global cooling? Respect the science, idiot.

[SM#24]

And soon at a theater near you, global staying the same.

[bigdiggins]

I would inject some fat people with Corona Virus for some Global Warming right about now. 27 on May 8th. Going to require a hat and gloves for a run. In May.

[XU 87]

Bundle up Cincinnati. We will have an overnight low of 31 degrees tonight. I just hope it doesn't snow.

[GoMuskies]

I'm glad my tee time is in the afternoon tomorrow. Should be nice by then.

[muskiefan82]

May snowstorms! Locusts in Africa! Murder Hornets! Global Pandemic! Dogs and cats living together! Mass Hysteria!!

[Masterofreality]

It's 5:30am and snowing on May 9, 2020.

*Warming*

[Masterofreality]

And those Warming Models are right on the money again!!

Record low temperature for May 11 in The Cuyahoga Socialist State last night and the lowest high temp for May 11 for over 100 years!
We’re sweating our asses off up here!!
Thanks to Modeling!!

[X Factor]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/forbes-censors-award-winning-environmentalists-apology-over-three-decade-climate-scare-so


Forbes has decided to unpublish an article by award-winning climate activist Michael Shellenberger, in which he apologizes "for the climate scare we created over the last 30 years."

Schellenberger, a progressive, was named one of TIME's "Heroes of the Environment," while his book Break Through was heralded by WIRED as potentially "the best thing to happen to environmentalism since Rachel Carson's Silent Spring."

His book Apocalypse Never was widely praised as an 'eye-opening, fact-based approach' to climate science and 'engaging and well-researched.'

[GoMuskies]

Covid-19 has ended global warming. Thank you pandemic.

[Masterofreality]

Covid-19 has ended global warming. Thank you pandemic.

As I’ve stated elsewhere, the terrible “modeling” that has been evident through this quote “pandemic” has undermined “science” modeling on everything else too.
So far, all the supposed infallible models about global warming that were predicting calamity from 1995 to 2020 have been proven wrong. False. Nil, null and void. Now this disease severity projection has been proven abjectly wrong too.
I’m glad I started this thread. No one has proved me wrong yet. Thank Gawd we didn’t waste billions of dollars on BullSheet. Can’t wait until the Chinese live up to their “commitments” under the Paris Accords. (Hint: They never will)

[X-man]

As I’ve stated elsewhere, the terrible “modeling” that has been evident through this quote “pandemic” has undermined “science” modeling on everything else too.
So far, all the supposed infallible models about global warming that were predicting calamity from 1995 to 2020 have been proven wrong. False. Nil, null and void. Now this disease severity projection has been proven abjectly wrong too.
I’m glad I started this thread. No one has proved me wrong yet. Thank Gawd we didn’t waste billions of dollars on BullSheet. Can’t wait until the Chinese live up to their “commitments” under the Paris Accords. (Hint: They never will)

That is manifestly false. The IPCC reports continue to offer nuanced guidance, providing both forecast and forecast range because, as they readily admit, it is an inexact science with limited data to draw from. But certainly the pattern of weather events, global temperature changes, ocean temperature change, and sea ice melt seems consistent with what the IPCC reports have been saying for the last 20+ years.

[X Factor]

Virginia charging new 'highway use fee' to fuel-efficient vehicle drivers

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/virginia-charging-new-annual-highway-use-fee-driving-fuel-efficient-vehicle

I swear Democrats would tax the air we breathe if they could find a way to put a meter on everyone's face.

[bourbonman]

:jawdrop2::
Virginia charging new 'highway use fee' to fuel-efficient vehicle drivers

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/virginia-charging-new-annual-highway-use-fee-driving-fuel-efficient-vehicle

I swear Democrats would tax the air we breathe if they could find a way to put a meter on everyone's face.

:jawdrop2:

[Lloyd Braun]

Virginia charging new 'highway use fee' to fuel-efficient vehicle drivers

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/virginia-charging-new-annual-highway-use-fee-driving-fuel-efficient-vehicle

I swear Democrats would tax the air we breathe if they could find a way to put a meter on everyone's face.

Your supply of far right leaning BS articles is endless and tiring... do you have all these sites bookmarked for daily reading or something?

This is not a new concept and not unique to Democrats. Fees for electric/hybrid cars have been around awhile. Here is some data, and you can see many of these states have Republicans in charge:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx

[Smails]

Your supply of far right leaning BS articles is endless and tiring... do you have all these sites bookmarked for daily reading or something?

This is not a new concept and not unique to Democrats. Fees for electric/hybrid cars have been around awhile. Here is some data, and you can see many of these states have Republicans in charge:
https://www.ncsl.org/research/energy/new-fees-on-hybrid-and-electric-vehicles.aspx

What in that article is far right and BS? Looks like a bunch of quotes and pretty straight reporting.

[Lloyd Braun]

What in that article is far right and BS? Looks like a bunch of quotes and pretty straight reporting.

Details are accurate but presented with bias... and then posted with more bias. This happens everywhere and is not something exclusive to Democrats

[X-band '01]

That article came out before Ohio also added additional charges for fuel-efficient cars back in 2019. I think it was also part of the same package where Ohio no longer made it mandatory to have a front license plate.

In reality, it's not unfair to do that when the gas tax is more heavily tilted towards cars that aren't as fuel-efficient.

[Smails]

Details are accurate but presented with bias... and then posted with more bias. This happens everywhere and is not something exclusive to Democrats

Posted with bias?...ummm that would be every post here. Are you railing against message boards? It's okay just to say that you were wrong when you went after the original poster. It was not a far right BS article

[Lloyd Braun]

Posted with bias?...ummm that would be every post here. Are you railing against message boards? It's okay just to say that you were wrong when you went after the original poster. It was not a far right BS article

I would say presenting half the facts is BS yes. The intent of the post was to say that Democrats are taxing people unnecessarily and the article linked implies the same thing, that the “Democrat-controlled” congress passed this tax. Which is true, but it’s also true that many other Republican-controlled states, including Ohio, have done the exact same thing. I feel that’s a pertinent fact.

[Muskie in dayton]

Virginia charging new 'highway use fee' to fuel-efficient vehicle drivers

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/energy/virginia-charging-new-annual-highway-use-fee-driving-fuel-efficient-vehicle

I swear Democrats would tax the air we breathe if they could find a way to put a meter on everyone's face.
We have to pay for stuff somehow, right?