Soooooo, where is the Warming?

[murray87]

And just today I see a story about how California is planning to ban NATURAL GAS usage by 2030. It's fun to make jokes about the left coast loonies but this kind of thinking is beyond deranged.

And to piggyback on XUPERMAN, yes to more nuclear.

[bjf123]

And just today I see a story about how California is planning to ban NATURAL GAS usage by 2030. It's fun to make jokes about the left coast loonies but this kind of thinking is beyond deranged.

And to piggyback on XUPERMAN, yes to more nuclear.

Has anyone asked how they plan to provide enough power to charge all the electric cars, lawn mowers, homes, businesses, etc., when they keep banning sources of energy without a suitable replacement? I’d love to hear their answer.


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[JTG]

Has anyone asked how they plan to provide enough power to charge all the electric cars, lawn mowers, homes, businesses, etc., when they keep banning sources of energy without a suitable replacement? I’d love to hear their answer.


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Their electricity is largely powered by natural gas generators. The Governor told people a couple weeks ago they should cut back on charging their electric cars to avoid brownouts. Hey Greenies, you can't have it both ways.
It's like a Saturday Night live skit....except it's not funny, it's sad.

[Masterofreality]

or you could take a minute to edit it.

Nah. Your brain needs to go to work. Deal with it, or buy a subscription.

[Xuperman]

Has anyone asked how they plan to provide enough power to charge all the electric cars, lawn mowers, homes, businesses, etc., when they keep banning sources of energy without a suitable replacement? I’d love to hear their answer.


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You won't....because they can't.

BTW, why doesn't the GREEN ZEALOTS, organize their passionate army and mobilize mass protests in countries that are the world's greatest polluters? Answer- It would not be permitted in there....or worse.

[Masterofreality]

From an expert on Energy:
Biden’s War on Natural Gas will Kill

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/bidens-war-on-natural-gas-will-kill?utm_medium=email&action=share

[xeus]

From an expert on Energy:
Biden’s War on Natural Gas will Kill

https://michaelshellenberger.substack.com/p/bidens-war-on-natural-gas-will-kill?utm_medium=email&action=share

LOL - an “expert on energy” who relies upon a “high level DC lobbyist” as the basis for his position. Solid.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=XU_Lou;738572]No named Atlantic hurricanes in July or August - first time since 1941!/QUOTE]

Late bloomers Fiona and Ian.

[bobbiemcgee]

LOL - an “expert on energy” who relies upon a “high level DC lobbyist” as the basis for his position. Solid.

"According to U.S. Crude Oil and Natural Gas Proved Reserves, Year-end 2020, as of December 31, 2020, U.S. total natural gas proved reserves—estimated as wet gas (which includes hydrocarbon gas liquids [HGLs])—totaled about 473.3 trillion cubic feet (Tcf).Jan 20, 2022"

[bobbiemcgee]

Nah. Your brain needs to go to work. Deal with it, or buy a subscription.

Prefer Bloomberg. No assterisks.

[paulxu]

LOL - an “expert on energy” who relies upon a “high level DC lobbyist” as the basis for his position. Solid.

The Shellenberger guy is a lobbyist.
https://www.desmog.com/michael-shellenberger/

He lobbied hard for Ohio HB6, which gave millions to the nuclear industry he supports and lobbies for.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/7/27/8910804/ohio-gop-nuclear-coal-plants-renewables-efficiency-hb6

It is also the bill that got millions of money flowing to the Ohio Speaker of the House, causing his indictment.
The energy company pled guilty.
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/10/ex-ohio-house-speaker-larry-householders-corruption-trial-wont-start-until-next-year-judge-says.html

[JTG]

The Shellenberger guy is a lobbyist.
https://www.desmog.com/michael-shellenberger/

He lobbied hard for Ohio HB6, which gave millions to the nuclear industry he supports and lobbies for.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/7/27/8910804/ohio-gop-nuclear-coal-plants-renewables-efficiency-hb6

It is also the bill that got millions of money flowing to the Ohio Speaker of the House, causing his indictment.
The energy company pled guilty.
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/10/ex-ohio-house-speaker-larry-householders-corruption-trial-wont-start-until-next-year-judge-says.html

Kind of like the Dems relying on a Puerto Rican bartender for their green energy policy.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, we've heard the pubs position:

“In case we had forgotten, because we keep hearing that 2020 has been the warmest year on record, I ask the chair, do you know what this is? It’s a snowball, just from outside here. It’s very, very cold out.” — Sen. James Inhofe (Okla.)

It's hot, it's cold, greenland ain't melting, NASA is full of shit.

[Strange Brew]

The Shellenberger guy is a lobbyist.
https://www.desmog.com/michael-shellenberger/

He lobbied hard for Ohio HB6, which gave millions to the nuclear industry he supports and lobbies for.
https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2019/7/27/8910804/ohio-gop-nuclear-coal-plants-renewables-efficiency-hb6

It is also the bill that got millions of money flowing to the Ohio Speaker of the House, causing his indictment.
The energy company pled guilty.
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/10/ex-ohio-house-speaker-larry-householders-corruption-trial-wont-start-until-next-year-judge-says.html

So, is he wrong about the need for more nuclear energy?

Discedit the argument not the person.

[paulxu]

I'm not a real big fan of nuclear because of the waste disposal challenges.

[GoMuskies]

They're not particularly difficult challenges (absent NIMBYism). And no other zero carbon energy source works on a large enough scale.

[paulxu]

Hah! We're way past that point in SC, with units closing down before starting...and of course the Savannah River site challenges.

[Muskie in dayton]

I'm not a real big fan of nuclear because of the waste disposal challenges.
What waste disposal challenges?

[paulxu]

What waste disposal challenges?

High Level Waste with long life radioactivity awaiting a permanent solution.

https://cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-best/98/i12

[Muskie in dayton]

High Level Waste with long life radioactivity awaiting a permanent solution.

https://cen.acs.org/environment/pollution/nuclear-waste-pilesscientists-seek-best/98/i12
Well, here in the US we have two ideal locations for permanent disposal of nuclear waste (Yucca Mountain and NTS). I’ll add that the amount of nuclear waste generated for power production is a tiny fraction of that generates by coal. Problem solved.

[GoMuskies]

Well, here in the US we have two ideal locations for permanent disposal of nuclear waste (Yucca Mountain and NTS). I’ll add that the amount of nuclear waste generated for power production is a tiny fraction of that generates by coal. Problem solved.

And WHY, pray tell, are we not permanently shoving nuclear waste in these fine locations?

[UCGRAD4X]

It sounds as if they are working on some interesting solutions that will buy some time to get to better solutions. Eventually a good permanent solution will come up. With all the great research going on, good old American ingenuity will prevail.

[JTG]

Well, here in the US we have two ideal locations for permanent disposal of nuclear waste (Yucca Mountain and NTS). I’ll add that the amount of nuclear waste generated for power production is a tiny fraction of that generates by coal. Problem solved.

Coal generates massive amounts of nuclear waste ? Who knew?

[Muskie in dayton]

And WHY, pray tell, are we not permanently shoving nuclear waste in these fine locations?
We are.

[Muskie in dayton]

Coal generates massive amounts of nuclear waste ? Who knew?
Coal doesn’t produce nuclear waste. It produces hazardous waste in coal combustion residuals, and it generates waste quantities thousands of times greater than nuclear. Did that really need to be explained?

[GoMuskies]

We are.

Dammit, you ruined my setup on NIMBYism!

[Muskie in dayton]

Dammit, you ruined my setup on NIMBYism!
Sorry. But to your point NIMBYism is a major problem for society due to unrealistic perceived risk. It is only compounded by “ESG” (don’t get me started). The good thing about Yucca Mtn and NTS is that they aren’t in anyone’s back yard!

[Strange Brew]

Sorry. But to your point NIMBYism is a major problem for society due to unrealistic perceived risk. It is only compounded by “ESG” (don’t get me started). The good thing about Yucca Mtn and NTS is that they aren’t in anyone’s back yard!

They might have to be in someone's backyard with how fast the climate is changing.....:)

[Masterofreality]

“Feeling Grateful for Coal in West Virginia”

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/joe-manchin-grateful-coal-west-virginia/

[bobbiemcgee]

paywall

[Xuperman]

A follow up on post #2477.

https://www.japan.go.jp/kizuna/2022/08/hydrogen_power_generation.html

This is where new energy technology dollars need to be spent. Especially in place of expanding Wind infrastructure costs. Does anyone know why hydrogen is not on the "Greenies" to do list? Unless there's something that I'm missing, it seems to be a total game changer and a REAL solution that everyone can agree on.

[XU_Lou]

A follow up on post #2477.

https://www.japan.go.jp/kizuna/2022/08/hydrogen_power_generation.html

This is where new energy technology dollars need to be spent. Especially in place of expanding Wind infrastructure costs. Does anyone know why hydrogen is not on the "Greenies" to do list? Unless there's something that I'm missing, it seems to be a total game changer and a REAL solution that everyone can agree on.

It's not about saving the planet, it's about restricting your rights....

[Masterofreality]

In other Environmental news.

Of course the Dem Government wants to blame everybody for causing environmental problems. It’s all “man made” so let’s fine and penalize industry.

Whoops:

Sewer repairs: The city of Lakewood must make millions of dollars in repairs to its sewer system and pay a civil penalty for discharging raw sewage into Lake Erie and Rocky River nearly 2,000 times in the last six years, according to a settlement agreement with the U.S. Department of Justice. The repairs are expected to cost Lakewood $85 million and take about a decade to fix, Adam Ferrise reports from the Cleveland Plain Dealer.

An extra note: Lakewood has some of the highest income and property taxes in NE Ohio. And they don’t even have the expense of running School Buses because every student walks or is driven.
Malfeasance? Uh huh. In the worst way.

[Masterofreality]

Since it is cold when it is supposed to be, snow around Thanksgiving, a small number of hurricanes, no ocean level rise, and the leaves disappearing when they are supposed to,
I hope all the climate honks on here are happy with the fuel prices, inflation and vehicle price increases that have been caused by this bullshit Democrat and Liberal crying & screaming about climate “change”.
We are now in Year 9 of this thread and the climate & earth is the same. No significant change.
But this garbage is killing the American economy, just as has been pondered way earlier in this thread.
Hope everyone is happy with their virtue signaling while Obama buys an oceanfront house and Kerry flies around the world in his carbon intensive private jets.
I repeat the original question. Where is the warming?

[XU_Lou]

Yikes, more signs of global cooling! Perhaps we should mandate SUV's to create more carbon? Bring back coal?

South Pole Hits Record Cold November Temperatures: https://dailysceptic.org/2022/11/20/south-pole-hits-record-cold-november-temperatures/

[MADXSTER]

Go Green

This has always baffled me a bit. If humans put more Carbon Dioxide/CO2 into the air and plants feed off of C/O2 then the plants would grow better and become green.

So I say Go Green.

[UCGRAD4X]

Go Green

This has always baffled me a bit. If humans put more Carbon Dioxide/CO2 into the air and plants feed off of C/O2 then the plants would grow better and become green.

So I say Go Green.

So, you're calling for a Tulane win over the Kittens?

[Masterofreality]

Northern Hemisphere snow cover at 41 million sq. km. -- a 56-year high -- per Rutgers Snow Lab.

Welp, let’s just burn all this “Inflation Reduction Act” money for heat.

https://globalcryospherewatch.org/state_of_cryo/snow/

[Masterofreality]

Aaaaaand the 2022 Hurricane season is over.
14 named storms- 7 less than last year, lowest since 2015 (11) and below the average.
I thought Global Warming/Ocean Warming/ Climate Change was supposed to have submerged Florida by now??
What’s happening??
Soooooo WHERE IS THAT INFERNAL WARMING??? (and where are the billions and trillions gone that were spent to fight a ghost???

[Masterofreality]

Go Green

This has always baffled me a bit. If humans put more Carbon Dioxide/CO2 into the air and plants feed off of C/O2 then the plants would grow better and become green.

So I say Go Green.


So, you're calling for a Tulane win over the Kittens?

That happened. :-)

[XU_Lou]

"Spoiler alert: the endgame of the "electric vehicle revolution" is NOT the same number of people driving around, except using EVs instead of gas-fueled cars. The endgame is sharply restricting or eliminating personal transportation for the middle and lower classes."

Truth bomb thread on EVs:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2022/12/02/john-haywards-thread-exposes-the-elites-endgame-with-evs-and-its-not-about-saving-the-planet/

[Xuperman]

Start channeling as much research dollars as possible to THIS! Wind/Solar will never produce any significant "Net Energy" due to the massive amount of energy required to develop, construct and maintain the infrastructure.....total waste disaster.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/us-scientists-make-major-breakthrough-limitless-zero-carbon-fusion-energy-report

[XU 87]

It sure is cold today.

[xuphan]

Start channeling as much research dollars as possible to THIS! Wind/Solar will never produce any significant "Net Energy" due to the massive amount of energy required to develop, construct and maintain the infrastructure.....total waste disaster.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/energy/us-scientists-make-major-breakthrough-limitless-zero-carbon-fusion-energy-report

100%! Until a better option is found, we need to build more nuclear power plants.

[xuphan]

It sure is cold today.

Interesting take.

[Masterofreality]

I used to be able to post pictures on here, but for some reason I can’t.
If I could I’d post a picture of a repair invoice for a replacement battery for a Chevy Volt with 70k miles on it. From Roger Dean Chevrolet in Florida.
Battery cost? $26,888.
Such a bargain!!

[paulxu]

Let me help you out. In return, don't go down the rabbit hole of Musk on twitter. It's not healthy; you'll end up at pizzagate.

https://nbc-2.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screen-Shot-2022-08-29-at-3.14.43-PM.png

[UCGRAD4X]

Let me help you out. In return, don't go down the rabbit hole of Musk on twitter. It's not healthy; you'll end up at pizzagate.

https://nbc-2.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/Screen-Shot-2022-08-29-at-3.14.43-PM.png

I question the labor cost. At $50 an hour that would mean it takes 12 hours to change the battery.

A DAY AND A HALF!

[paulxu]

I question the labor cost. At $50 an hour that would mean it takes 12 hours to change the battery.

A DAY AND A HALF!

Supervision:

http://img.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/10.10.25.66.jpg

[XU 87]

Once again, a very cold morning. Global cooling is upon us. Some of you need to start listening to me about this before it's too late. According to my models, we only have until December 16, 2024 to correct this issue before it becomes irreversible.

[94GRAD]

I question the labor cost. At $50 an hour that would mean it takes 12 hours to change the battery.

A DAY AND A HALF!

Have you not had any repairmen fix anything for you? Mechanic/Plumber/Electrician/Etc are all $100+ per hour. Shit, DHL and UPS advertise $25 an hour to throw boxes around

[GoMuskies]

Can someone please order up some global warming for this week? It's going to be BRUTAL.

[Masterofreality]

Can someone please order up some global warming for this week? It's going to be BRUTAL.

The polar bears are bitching.
SAVE THE SOLAR PANELS!!!!

[Masterofreality]

Once again, a very cold morning. Global cooling is upon us. Some of you need to start listening to me about this before it's too late. According to my models, we only have until December 16, 2024 to correct this issue before it becomes irreversible.

See, when the heat goes off because there is no sun to power the solar panels (clouds) and the inefficient wind power transmission won’t keep up, and all the hydroelectric water is frozen, the battery grid can’t be recharged and there is no nuclear power because of……something…..we will all freeze to death since all oil & gas production was eliminated by Biden, Gore and AOC.

But we all died on an “environmentally responsible” planet!!
Guess the cockroach has to start evolution all over again, dammit!!

[X-band '01]

Weather on Christmas Day for Creighton-DePaul - 23 degrees and sunny

Weather if they played a normal Thursday night game prior to Christmas - -5 for a high, -12 for a low in Omaha

Hard pass.

[GoMuskies]

Butler is playing at Creighton Thursday night.

Who thought DePaul and Creighton playing on Christmas afternoon was a good idea anyway?

[X-band '01]

Iowa State's already canceling their Thursday game against Omaha - won't be made up. Win-win in that they don't have another dog on their schedule.

[nickgyp]

Butler is playing at Creighton Thursday night.

Who thought DePaul and Creighton playing on Christmas afternoon was a good idea anyway?

You have to wonder. There was a time when most people thought that anyone who had to work on Christmas Day was getting the short end of the stick. Police officers, firefighters, hospital personnel, etc. I find it troubling that two Catholic schools would decide to do this as it will involve far more people to make the game a reality. I get that there are many people who donÂ’t celebrate Christmas but in a day and age where Christmas is more and more secularized, two Catholic schools playing basketball on Christmas Day is totally unnecessary.

Occasionally, you hear the message of ‘Keep Christ in Christmas’. Sadly, two Catholic universities will have a hard time explaining what this game does to advance that message.

[X-band '01]

Both Creighton and DePaul will be taking their holiday break right after the game; they'll take a few days off afterwards before resuming their season on New Year's Eve weekend. Lots of schools actually return on Christmas Day/night after a few days off before resuming their season 2-3 days later (i.e. the Musketeers as they get ready to play St. John's next Wednesday).

[Strange Brew]

Coldest temps in 30 years coming here in CO.

Does anyone actually still believe this nonsense?

[xukeith]

I am in not so sunny Florida. It will be freak-out-mania here with temps in 20's this weekend.

[Strange Brew]

I am in not so sunny Florida. It will be freak-out-mania here with temps in 20's this weekend.

Is it falling lizard weather?

[X-band '01]

I'd ask The Weather Channel, but I'm putting my parental block on them this time of year when they insist on naming winter weather.

[Masterofreality]

Coldest temps in 30 years coming here in CO.

Does anyone actually still believe this nonsense?

“But that’s weather not climate!!

[xuphan]

Good grief! We currently have -36 degree wind chill here in northwest Ohio. Who ever made up this global warming nonsense for profits needs to be put in their place. Hopefully when Brazil finally wipes out the rainforest and Trump opens up the rich fossil fuel reserves in North America, we won’t have to worry about this type of weather again.

[xukeith]

Where is Al Gore?

[XU 87]

Don’t you idiots know that global warming also causes global cooling? It’s all part of “climate change”. All weather is now caused by fossil fuels, no matter what that weather may be- hot, cold, rain or drought. Jeez.

[paulxu]

Hope all you guys in the super cold wind chills are taking good care.
Windy down here and cold, but nothing like what you all have.

[MADXSTER]

It's colder than a witches titty

[GoMuskies]

If you see a couple of idiot kids out sledding in the King's Island area, those are mine.

[Masterofreality]

We now return you to the 8 year old title of this thread….
??????

[Strange Brew]

Where is Al Gore?

Being super cereal about this. :$

[X-band '01]

We'll have global warming just in time for New Year's Eve and a date with UConn at Cintas. Might even be shorts weather!

[bobbiemcgee]

Christmas with my boys in Huntington Beach 81 degrees.

[Masterofreality]

We'll have global warming just in time for New Year's Eve and a date with UConn at Cintas. Might even be shorts weather!

Or Dana’s Shed weather!

[XU_Lou]

55 Years Of Eco-pocalyptic Hysteria....

Dozens of headlines showing the proof: https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/55-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

[bjf123]

55 Years Of Eco-pocalyptic Hysteria....

Dozens of headlines showing the proof: https://www.thelibertybeacon.com/55-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

Maybe I’m overly cynical, but I still think a big reason for all the dire predictions is that the scientists and universities are chasing research dollars. They know if enough of them say how catastrophic something will be in the not to distant future, they’ll keep research dollars flowing. No one wants to fund research when everything is fine.

[XU_Lou]

Maybe I’m overly cynical, but I still think a big reason for all the dire predictions is that the scientists and universities are chasing research dollars. They know if enough of them say how catastrophic something will be in the not to distant future, they’ll keep research dollars flowing. No one wants to fund research when everything is fine.

Oh, absolutely! There's nothing cynical at all with your comments. You are 100% correct.

[UCGRAD4X]

Politicians too.

[Masterofreality]

On CBS "60 Minutes," biologist Paul Ehrlich claimed global warming would result in mass famine

But archival footage shows Ehrlich claimed global *cooling* would result in famine in the 1970s

His goal has always been to shut down the oil & gas industry.

60 Minutes is now a biased mouthpiece for its preferred narratives and Scott Pelly is, and always has been a biased hack of a “newsman” cloaked in calm demeanor. The fact that CBS had to search to find a 90 year old “scientist” who has been wrong about everything for 50 years as an “expert” means this show should be cancelled.

[Masterofreality]

To be fair and deal in reality.

Here is the warming! 60 degrees today on January 4th.

And I LIKE it!!

[Masterofreality]

Folks, ya gotta read this!!!
The Global Warming Hoax exposed.

https://junkscience.com/2023/01/milloy-climate-tweet-sets-twitter-abuzz-even-musk-admits-he-is-no-believer/

“ NOAA makes it official. Last 8 years... global cooling... at a rate of 0.11°C/decade. despite 450+ billion tons of emissions worth 14% of total manmade CO2 in the
atmosphere.
CO2 warming is a hoax.”

[paulxu]

I tried without success to find that red bar chart on the NOAA website, following the link below the chart.
That link is to NOAA documents that all show a global warming trend over the years.
Would like to see the red bar chart in original. It looks like it might be only one month's temps (December) and no way of knowing if it's for the globe or some smaller part.
Here is a note from the report that the tweet links to at NOAA:


Global land and ocean surface temperature: The 2022 average temperature across global surfaces was 1.55°F (0.86°C) above the 20th-century average of 57.0°F (13.9°C) – the sixth highest among all years in the 1880-2022 record. This was also the 46th-consecutive year (since 1977) with global temperatures, at least nominally, above the 20th-century average. The 10-warmest years on record have all occurred since 2010, with the last nine years (2014-2022) among the 10-warmest years.

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202212

[Masterofreality]

From Milloy:

The climate con is every molecule of CO2 warms the
atmosphere.
The NOAA data show that is false. Since 2015, we've added 17% more CO2 to the
atmosphere. No warming. There are many such periods, including the last 14-year
pause.
What drives the observed warming is El Nino.

[paulxu]

I read all the tweets from that guy. And I went to the link he posted from NOAA.
And I understand he is making that claim, with the red bar chart to back him up I guess.
But I have NOAA's statement from the link he provided which says the planet has warmed (see the quote I posted above);
and his statement that is just that...his statement.

Confusing I think. Wish he could link to that red bar chart, upon which his statement is based.
It contradicts what NOAA says, and I think it might just be for one month or something. NOAA notes that some countries in December were colder than average, but overall the planet warmed.

[Masterofreality]

I read all the tweets from that guy. And I went to the link he posted from NOAA.
And I understand he is making that claim, with the red bar chart to back him up I guess.
But I have NOAA's statement from the link he provided which says the planet has warmed (see the quote I posted above);
and his statement that is just that...his statement.

Confusing I think. Wish he could link to that red bar chart, upon which his statement is based.
It contradicts what NOAA says, and I think it might just be for one month or something. NOAA notes that some countries in December were colder than average, but overall the planet warmed.

Link to the Bar Chart? It is literally in his tweets and the article!
It’s for a whole years.
The NOAA has a vested interest in keeping this hoax alive and the narrative going for the Lefty “Climate Crisis”. Of course it’s going to back whatever BS Biden and his minions are spewing but Milloy exposes all that. As you always do, I “suspect” that the NOAA got caught putting that chart out there that Milloy cited, realized what it meant vs their narrative, then back edited it out of there just like the Washington Post & NY Times do with news stories.
Meanwhile natural forces like El Niño rule.
Not hard to understand.

[Masterofreality]

I also love this comment on the article. All of what this poster says is easily verifiable:

TruthBKnown says:
January 17, 2023 at 2:12 AM
@Older and Wiser: No, we aren’t “so much hotter than prior to 1950.” The 1930’s made up the hottest decade. NASA and NOAA have simply rigged the numbers. You can go to Tony Heller’s YouTube channel (one of the very best) and see exactly what they did with the raw data. You can also visit his excellent website: realclimatescience.com. I just listened to speech by the great Richard Lindzen, PhD, who stated that it has warmed approximately one degree in the last 200 years (GWPF Lecture on YouTube). Wow. Catastrophic. Except warmer is better than cooler anyway. Members of The Club of Rome stated they would use carbon as a means of control and that’s exactly what’s happened. You can cherry pick dates all you want. What a coincidence that those who want to control us picked the approximate end of the Little Ice Age to say it started warming. What pure genius. There hasn’t been “a mild cooling trend for the last 8 years.” Even though CO2 has continued to gradually increase, there has been a cooling trend since 1998 (If they can cherry pick, so can I). CO2 has increased, but the mean temperature hasn’t risen 1/10 of one degree in 25 years (or 90 years if you want to start at the 30’s and use real data). So CO2 clearly isn’t a driver of climate (which many scientists not on the take or grant gravy train have proven many times). Sorry, no crisis – we can spend our money on real pollution resolution. It was warmer in the Medieval Warm Period and the Roman Warm period. You can plot every ridiculous annual world meeting (where the Elites fly in on their private jets emitting more carbon in one flight than I will be responsible for in my whole life) to lecture me on cow flatulence, eating bugs, not owning a dog, not having kids (though they do) and not using my grill to “SAVE THE PLANET FROM IMMINENT DOOM! DOOM, I SAY!” And at each plot point, CO2 has risen, with no effect on the climate whatsoever (because the effects are logarithmic), but HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of sweat dollars from the middle and upper middle class is whizzed away to enrich the controllers and schemers. No, it isn’t hotter. No, human CO2 has no effect on temperature compared to the far, far bigger drivers. Warm regards…

[paulxu]

Well, the chart appears to have the word December in the upper left hand corner, which might indicate on month's data, and maybe just for one place.
And it doesn't appear anywhere on the link he posted with it.
If the answer is NOAA moved the chart, he doesn't say that. Just keeps referring to the chart.
Sounds like the dog ate my homework.

[Masterofreality]

Well, the chart appears to have the word December in the upper left hand corner, which might indicate on month's data, and maybe just for one place.
And it doesn't appear anywhere on the link he posted with it.
If the answer is NOAA moved the chart, he doesn't say that. Just keeps referring to the chart.
Sounds like the dog ate my homework.

Sounds like you are focusing on minutiae rather than the important stuff.
Typical deflection.

[Strange Brew]

Well, the chart appears to have the word December in the upper left hand corner, which might indicate on month's data, and maybe just for one place.
And it doesn't appear anywhere on the link he posted with it.
If the answer is NOAA moved the chart, he doesn't say that. Just keeps referring to the chart.
Sounds like the dog ate my homework.

No, it sounds like you’re the last one to figure something out.

[XU_Lou]

The lesson: garbage in = garbage out (or is it Federally funded scientists are trying to keep the gravy train going?)


"In November 2022, meteorologist Roy Spencer, Ph.D., a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, published a ground-breaking study demonstrating that 36 climate models used to guide national policy may have exaggerated “global warming” over the last 50 years by as much as 50 percent. Specifically, Dr. Spencer utilized “a relatively new global dataset of urbanization changes over the previous 40-year period, 1975-2014, based on Landsat data to determine the average effect urbanization has had on surface temperatures.”

Spencer devised a methodology “to compute the magnitude of the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect on temperatures using the example of summertime early morning 09 UTC (early morning) Integrated Surface Database (ISD) hourly data (mostly from airports) over the period 1973-2022.” (“UTC” stands for Universal Time Coordinated, formally known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).) His goal was to compare “urbanization differences to temperature differences from closely spaced weather stations.” "

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/01/ipcc_climate_models_grossly_exaggerate_global_warm ing.html

https://www.drroyspencer.com/2022/11/de-urbanization-of-surface-temperatures-with-the-landsat-based-built-up-dataset/

[Strange Brew]

The lesson: garbage in = garbage out (or is it Federally funded scientists are trying to keep the gravy train going?)


"In November 2022, meteorologist Roy Spencer, Ph.D., a Principal Research Scientist at the University of Alabama in Huntsville, published a ground-breaking study demonstrating that 36 climate models used to guide national policy may have exaggerated “global warming” over the last 50 years by as much as 50 percent. Specifically, Dr. Spencer utilized “a relatively new global dataset of urbanization changes over the previous 40-year period, 1975-2014, based on Landsat data to determine the average effect urbanization has had on surface temperatures.”

Spencer devised a methodology “to compute the magnitude of the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect on temperatures using the example of summertime early morning 09 UTC (early morning) Integrated Surface Database (ISD) hourly data (mostly from airports) over the period 1973-2022.” (“UTC” stands for Universal Time Coordinated, formally known as Greenwich Mean Time (GMT).) His goal was to compare “urbanization differences to temperature differences from closely spaced weather stations.” "

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/01/ipcc_climate_models_grossly_exaggerate_global_warm ing.html

https://www.drroyspencer.com/2022/11/de-urbanization-of-surface-temperatures-with-the-landsat-based-built-up-dataset/

Lou the problem is you're not one of the "special people" (John Kerry) saving the planet....

[XU_Lou]

Nor one of the "Beautiful People".... Here's a long distance dedication for JK and the Davos crowd:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugZwAJIKXAQ

[Masterofreality]

Lou the problem is you're not one of the "special people" (John Kerry) saving the planet....

Who all flew over there to Davos in Carbon spewing private jets!!
“Fine for Me, but NOT for Thee!”

[xuphan]

Mid January and the high tomorrow is going to be in the mid 50s with severe weather here in northern Ohio. Where is the snow?

[Masterofreality]

Mid January and the high tomorrow is going to be in the mid 50s with severe weather here in northern Ohio. Where is the snow?

Try Friday. :-)

[XU_Lou]

Another major fail for the climate alarmists.

From CNN: "Glacier National Park is replacing signs that predicted its glaciers would be gone by 2020"

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/08/us/glaciers-national-park-2020-trnd/index.html


The scientists were obviously wrong, again. Just like they were in 1923 when scientists claimed that the glaciers in Glacier National Park would all but disappear in 25 years if the current weather continued.

Three years later, in 1926, George Bird Grinnell noted in his diary that the glacier named after him in GNP, Grinnell Glacier, "is melting very fast and the amount of water coming from it is great. All these glaciers are receding rapidly and after a time will disappear."

https://twitter.com/DHG1Tory/status/1620037122219728896


But wasn't 1923 and 1926 well before man was altering the climate due to mass industrialization?

[XU_Lou]

Another major fail for the climate alarmists.

"No global warming for 8 years and 5 months, per NASA satellite data.

That's no warming despite ~475 billion tons of CO2 emissions"

https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1621686480912384001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1621686480912384001%7Ctwgr% 5E45d819d7351b1c3002be85a456c00ebf093bf0cc%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2Fcatherinesalgado%2F2023%2F02%2F04%2Fhot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955


"Last 8 years... global cooling... at a rate of 0.11°C/decade.... despite 450+ billion tons of emissions worth 14% of total manmade CO2 in the atmosphere."

https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1613724250011242497%7Ctwgr% 5E45d819d7351b1c3002be85a456c00ebf093bf0cc%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2Fcatherinesalgado%2F2023%2F02%2F04%2Fhot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955


"Recently published evidence also showed that there was actually a near-record low of major hurricanes in 2022, indicating that weather isn’t getting progressively and exponentially worse globally, despite the climate frenzy of the media and governments. "

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/catherinesalgado/2023/02/04/hot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955

[Masterofreality]

Another major fail for the climate alarmists.

"No global warming for 8 years and 5 months, per NASA satellite data.

That's no warming despite ~475 billion tons of CO2 emissions"

https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1621686480912384001?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1621686480912384001%7Ctwgr% 5E45d819d7351b1c3002be85a456c00ebf093bf0cc%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2Fcatherinesalgado%2F2023%2F02%2F04%2Fhot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955


"Last 8 years... global cooling... at a rate of 0.11°C/decade.... despite 450+ billion tons of emissions worth 14% of total manmade CO2 in the atmosphere."

https://twitter.com/JunkScience/status/1613724250011242497?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1613724250011242497%7Ctwgr% 5E45d819d7351b1c3002be85a456c00ebf093bf0cc%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpjmedia.com%2Fnews-and-politics%2Fcatherinesalgado%2F2023%2F02%2F04%2Fhot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955


"Recently published evidence also showed that there was actually a near-record low of major hurricanes in 2022, indicating that weather isn’t getting progressively and exponentially worse globally, despite the climate frenzy of the media and governments. "

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/catherinesalgado/2023/02/04/hot-air-no-global-warming-for-eight-years-n1667955

“Scientists”: “”But muh research dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!””

[murray87]

Oh no!!!

https://babylonbee.com/news/southern-california-covered-in-6-feet-of-global-warming

[nuts4xu]

I just want to go on record saying that I believe "global warming" is an absolute load of crap.

I know people want to make it a thing, but it really isn't a thing.

Carry on....

[Masterofreality]

I just want to go on record saying that I believe "global warming" is an absolute load of crap.

I know people want to make it a thing, but it really isn't a thing.

Carry on....

Thank YOU!!

[Xuperman]

I just want to go on record saying that I believe "global warming" is an absolute load of crap.

I know people want to make it a thing, but it really isn't a thing.

Carry on....

It has to be prefaced with "man made" global warming. That's the only way the greenies can keep the con going.

They basically have moved on to "climate change" to conveniently cover everything.

[GoMuskies]

So many people are going to get SO RICH in the climate change realm milking government programs and doing nothing that will have any positive impact on society. I respect the hustle. Hope to be in on it a bit, frankly.

[Lamont Sanford]

I just want to go on record saying that I believe "global warming" is an absolute load of crap.

I know people want to make it a thing, but it really isn't a thing.

Carry on....

+1.

[Xuperman]

This is some fascinating technology.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/air-force-signs-65m-deal-startup-test-sustainable-fuel-production

[Masterofreality]

This is some fascinating technology.

https://www.foxnews.com/tech/air-force-signs-65m-deal-startup-test-sustainable-fuel-production

Uh, I’m not flying in a plane with “experimental” fuel.

[Strange Brew]

Uh, I’m not flying in a plane with “experimental” fuel.

The FAA will likely mandate it.

The Fed loves to mandate untested "science" right?

[Muskie in dayton]

The FAA will likely mandate it.

The Fed loves to mandate untested "science" right?
But it’s better than natural fuel. You can always trust the government.

[UCGRAD4X]

But it’s better than natural fuel. You can always trust the government.

Exactly. Better in what way? Better for whom? Who benefits?

Will our airspace now be defended by an Air Force running on pretend fuel?

[MADXSTER]

Climate Change is the new religion. And you cannot have a rational discussion with religious zealots.

[Masterofreality]

Podcaster and Journalist Bridget Pheteasy says this one of the most sobering interviews she’s ever done. She talk to @siddharthkara about his new book, Cobalt Red, which uncovers the harsh reality of cobalt mining and how our technological world is built using modern day slaves.
Apparently between this and The Ughyrs in China this US Administration supports slave labor and environmental destruction in the name of Green Woke. Abhorrent.


https://youtu.be/f8-yz52G39o

[Masterofreality]

Hey, It’s May 1!
Hey, it’s 40 degrees in Cleveland! High of 48!
Hey it’s a high of 62 in Los Angeles today!
Hey, the West Coast has had plenty of water & snow this year!

When the “weather” continues to “weather” and doesn’t really change much, uh, that is “Climate”.

We are now in the 10th year of this thread. No significant change except for the idiot Democrats obsession with bullshit

[GoMuskies]

We are now in the 10th year of this thread. No significant change

I don't know. Quite a bit of art has been defaced.

[Masterofreality]

I don't know. Quite a bit of art has been defaced.

This is a truism. And just like with all the billions wasted and the ludicrous attempted electrification, zero effect.

[Masterofreality]

You are being deceived people and it’s costing big dollars.

https://globalwarmingdeception.com/

[Masterofreality]

Hey! You guys like your Natural Gas stoves? Don’t vote Democrat, or believe the MSM.

We were told just in January of this year that the gas stove ban was a fake right-wing culture war thing.

NYT: “No One Is Coming for Your Gas Stove Anytime Soon”

Time: “How Gas Stoves Became the Latest Right-Wing Cause in the Culture Wars”

Salon: “Rumors of a gas stove ban ignite a right-wing culture war”

MSNBC: “No, the woke mob is not coming for your gas stove.”

AP News: “FACT FOCUS: Biden administration isn’t banning gas stoves”

The Washington Post: ​​“GOP thrusts gas stoves, Biden’s green agenda into the culture wars”

Which is why it’s so weird because just this week, New York state lawmakers banned gas stoves from all new construction. So it definitely does seem like Dems are coming for gas stoves, in that they just banned them in one of America’s most populous states.

There’s usually a slightly longer lag (like forever?) between when the mainstream press tells us something is a crazy lie and when the press says okay, fine, it’s not a lie, it’s actually true, and also it’s a good thing—so this is surprising. I’ll be over here huffing carbon oxides and vapors plus cooking my eggs with Gas, thank you!

[GoMuskies]

Canada has some forest fires. Apparently it's the first time this has ever happened.

[Masterofreality]

Canada has some forest fires. Apparently it's the first time this has ever happened.

And none of those are attributed to climate change. Just unusually dry conditions and potentially careless men with campfires.
Quebec has not been designated in drought conditions unlike Saskatchewan or Alberta, but no fires there.


https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/cutting-through-the-factual-haze-on-the-canadian-forest-fires/

[xuphan]

And none of those are attributed to climate change. Just unusually dry conditions and potentially careless men with campfires.
Quebec has not been designated in drought conditions unlike Saskatchewan or Alberta, but no fires there.


https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/cutting-through-the-factual-haze-on-the-canadian-forest-fires/

Did you see AOC blaming climate change on NYC turning orange this week? Can she not take a hint that this is a natural occurrence? Humans didn’t turn the sky orange. The Earth did.

[X-band '01]

A couple of weeks ago Western Alberta was dealing with wildfires; that's not unusual in and of itself. What is unusual is the number of wildfires in Ontario and Quebec; you add that with low pressure blowing air from Canada into the US and you end up with apocalyptic pictures out of the East Coast.

[Masterofreality]

I can’t post the map because I cannot get this site to recognize my pictures anymore, so,,

The wildfires - are not drought related, according to data from the Canadian government.
Here is a screen shot of the drought conditions in Canada from the CA Dept of Ag. The data show that there is no extreme drought, no drought in Quebec. Their is no "record breaking" heat being reported? Are a few (couple?) days of temps around 93F (34C) in Quebec, but nothing record breaking.

I guess “Weather, not Climate”?

[paulxu]

If you just post the link, then people will see where the actual verbiage comes from and proper attribution results:

https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1666789449248698369

[xuphan]

More media spin. How can they say this was the hottest day ever on Earth. The Earth has been around for millions of years. The woke media at it again.

https://youtu.be/MeRtjpLizL4

[Masterofreality]

Guess what?
It’s summer and all the fear mongers are out en force!
Funny these stories never come out in January

[Muskie in dayton]

Fun fact: If the U.S. completely eliminates all fossil fuel use (i.e., full switch to nuclear/renewables, full switch to electric vehicles and power equipment), the annual global CO2 emissions would decrease by about 0.6%.

[Xville]

Fun fact: If the U.S. completely eliminates all fossil fuel use (i.e., full switch to nuclear/renewables, full switch to electric vehicles and power equipment), the annual global CO2 emissions would decrease by about 0.6%.

1.) well duh since the U.S. doesn’t include the entire world.

2.) ok, now do methane

Seems like a common sense issue that the world should take into consideration. However instead we have one political party saying it doesn’t exist and the other one saying the world is going to end today if we don’t do something right at this second.

[bobbiemcgee]

Cow Farts are problem. 1/3rd of methane.

[GoMuskies]

Feed those cows some biochar.

[Muskie in dayton]

1.) well duh since the U.S. doesn’t include the entire world.

2.) ok, now do methane

Seems like a common sense issue that the world should take into consideration. However instead we have one political party saying it doesn’t exist and the other one saying the world is going to end today if we don’t do something right at this second.
Precisely!

Does a global reduction of 0.6% of CO2 make a difference?

If so, at what cost, and is the cost worth the benefit?

[Xuperman]

Precisely!

Does a global reduction of 0.6% of CO2 make a difference?

If so, at what cost, and is the cost worth the benefit?

This dovetails nicely!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/study-casts-doubt-electric-vehicles-climate-cost-benefits-wont-achieve-goals-intended

Not one of these Green Crazies can get this through there thick heads.

The obvious infrastructure and production carbon emissions, along with the massive toll required to generate the electricity and SOURCE the rare materials, makes achieving a net positive reduction highly questionable. I am thinking that the batteries in a large percentage of EVs will have to be replaced before getting to a net positive, thus resetting the clock.

Solar, and especially WIND, benefits are simply ridiculous in that regard. In fact, I truly believe that further studies will eventually expose this crap for the fraud it is and become obsolete. When that happens the damage is irreversible. The catastrophic environmental cost and the devastating global economic ramifications of this Green insanity will unfathomable!!

Advanced safety technology in Nuclear energy production is, currently, the only way to achieve a substantial reduction of Global Carbon emissions. Not acceptable in the Cult of Green religion..... because there is more to their agenda than carbon reduction.

[XU_Lou]

It's hilarious that some on this board still think that cow farts are to blame for "global warming"... LOL!!!


Eight Important Facts – NOT Opinions – That Totally Debunk the Human-Caused Global Warming Hypothesis

7) Blaming methane and nitrous oxide for contributing to climate change is now being used as an excuse to steal farms from their owners and otherwise (under ESG mandates) destroy agriculture. Yet the truth is that the incidence of methane is just TWO parts per million, totally insignificant. This graph shows the small effect of carbon dioxide and the truly minuscule effect of methane and nitrous oxide compared to water vapor.

https://joehoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Eight-Facts-that-Debunk-the-Climate-Change-Hypothesis-7-496x500.jpg


https://joehoft.com/eight-important-facts-not-opinions-that-totally-debunk-the-human-caused-global-warming-hypothesis/

[xeus]

It's hilarious that some on this board still think that cow farts are to blame for "global warming"... LOL!!!


Eight Important Facts – NOT Opinions – That Totally Debunk the Human-Caused Global Warming Hypothesis

7) Blaming methane and nitrous oxide for contributing to climate change is now being used as an excuse to steal farms from their owners and otherwise (under ESG mandates) destroy agriculture. Yet the truth is that the incidence of methane is just TWO parts per million, totally insignificant. This graph shows the small effect of carbon dioxide and the truly minuscule effect of methane and nitrous oxide compared to water vapor.

https://joehoft.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Eight-Facts-that-Debunk-the-Climate-Change-Hypothesis-7-496x500.jpg


https://joehoft.com/eight-important-facts-not-opinions-that-totally-debunk-the-human-caused-global-warming-hypothesis/

LOL

You just played a Joe Hoft article as your Trump card? (No pun intended.)

Keep up the good work.

[bjf123]

LOL

You just played a Joe Hoft article as your Trump card? (No pun intended.)

Keep up the good work.

I have no idea who Joe Hoft is, but seeing his name is enough for you to completely disregard what is said? Also, if you actually look, you’ll see he didn’t write the article. Also have no idea who Lynne Balzer is, but it’s her article.

I love how people on both sides of this will look at the source of something and immediately dismiss it in total, without addressing any of the points raised.


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[xeus]

I have no idea who Joe Hoft is, but seeing his name is enough for you to completely disregard what is said? Also, if you actually look, you’ll see he didn’t write the article. Also have no idea who Lynne Balzer is, but it’s her article.

I love how people on both sides of this will look at the source of something and immediately dismiss it in total, without addressing any of the points raised.


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I didn’t just see his name before disregarding the article. I read about him. I took note of the “facts not opinion” claim in the title of a clear opinion piece. I read the article (which opens with “By Joe Hoff” despite the “guest author”)

The reason I replied to Louis is because he posted that like it settled the whole debate. Like he just won with a clear and compelling scientific argument debunking the climate crisis. Just found it funny.

And by the way - since you mentioned it - I look at the source first, before spending any time on the merits. If it’s not worth taking on point by point because the source is crap, or merely opinion, why bother? The article is clearly opinion, and, in my view, from a suspect source.

[Masterofreality]

Our Electric power went out this week cause of storms that happen all the time.
Here’s a question for the greens. You guys want to ban gas stoves, and gas fireplaces.
If your electric power goes out, and that’s all you have, how can you cook or stay warm when your electricity is gone?
Solar or windmills won’t supply enough in most parts of the world.

On another topic, if you watched the British Open this week, you saw how ugly those windmills looked that were out in the sea. Talk about vision pollution!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Propane

[XU_Lou]

So Xeus, are you going to enlighten us all with your rebuttal of the data presented in the article? Or is this just another example of how you Dems debate? Attack the messenger, while avoiding the substance of the topic.

And while you're at it, type in "is warming faster than the rest of the world" into Google, and then scroll thru several pages and see if the joke finally dawns on you.

[Masterofreality]

Propane

Oh, you’ll ban that too. What the hell you think “Natural Gas” is?
It’s what comes out of YOUR mouth?
Here’s a question. What’s worse? Cow farts or propane???

[UCGRAD4X]

Oh, you’ll ban that too. What the hell you think “Natural Gas” is?
It’s what comes out of YOUR mouth?
Here’s a question. What’s worse? Cow farts or propane???

Depends on how close you are standing to the source.

[xuwillie]

Propane

now that's funny. You really are clueless

[bjf123]

Depends on how close you are standing to the source.

Public reps! [emoji1787][emoji1787][emoji1787]


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[paulxu]

The answer to the question posed in the thread topic is Arizona.

[MADXSTER]

Don't know how to look it up. Saw that forest fires in America from 2013 thru 2019 release 3 times more CO2 than Americans in the same time span.

[bobbiemcgee]

now that's funny. You really are clueless

It was a joke, dummy.

[XU_Lou]

Xeus - I hope you've had a chance to enlighten yourself on how you and the rest of the left are being hoodwinked into eating bugs and lowering your standard of living. In case you haven't had a chance to do your homework assignment, here are just a few headlines from the past couple of years:


South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-arctic-is-warming-four-times-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet/

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

China warming up faster than rest of the world: Report: https://www.hindustantimes.com/environment/china-warming-up-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-report-101659605412288.html

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

Latin America and the Caribbean warming faster than global average: https://www.yourweather.co.uk/news/science/latin-america-and-the-caribbean-warming-faster-than-global-average-climate-change.html

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/



It goes on and on and on with other countries, regions and individual US states having similar headlines.

[XU_Lou]

Do you get it now? It's all a complete joke - and it's on YOU!!!!

How do you explain all of those headlines? It has to be - and can only be - one of the following:

a) the media is lying

b) the scientists are lying

c) the climate models are total garbage


Actually, I'm going with d) All of the above

[Masterofreality]

The answer to the question posed in the thread topic is Arizona.

Yeah. Every summer since infinity.
My son went to Arizona State. We played golf at Papago in August. It was 110 degrees. That was 1998, 25 years ago.
The desert is hot in the summer.
Want to try again?

[drudy23]

There's no point in reading articles, watching the news or listening to "experts". Everything is nothing but a contradiction. All type of media is used to manipulate and influence.

I literally read 4 articles on the Russia/Ukraine war. 1 said Ukraine already won the war, 1 said they were winning, 1 said Russia had won the war, and the final said Russia had the war won 6 months ago. It's like this everyday with hundreds of topics.

I choose me.

[xu82]

Xeus - I hope you've had a chance to enlighten yourself on how you and the rest of the left are being hoodwinked into eating bugs and lowering your standard of living. In case you haven't had a chance to do your homework assignment, here are just a few headlines from the past couple of years:


South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-arctic-is-warming-four-times-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet/

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

China warming up faster than rest of the world: Report: https://www.hindustantimes.com/environment/china-warming-up-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-report-101659605412288.html

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

Latin America and the Caribbean warming faster than global average: https://www.yourweather.co.uk/news/science/latin-america-and-the-caribbean-warming-faster-than-global-average-climate-change.html

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/



It goes on and on and on with other countries, regions and individual US states having similar headlines.

Does this make anyone nostalgic for the good old COVID days?


Yeah, I didn’t think so…..

[94GRAD]

Does this make anyone nostalgic for the good old COVID days?


Yeah, I didn’t think so…..

Public reps since the man is keeping me down.

[bobbiemcgee]

My sister went to her convention last week and came home with covid.

[GoMuskies]

People still test for Covid?

[bobbiemcgee]

Usually a good idea if you have it.

[xu82]

I just get better, eventually. I don’t need to give it a name.

[GoMuskies]

I guess. It seems even doctors here are taking great pains to NOT find it.

[Masterofreality]

I guess. It seems even doctors here are taking great pains to NOT find it.

Of course, since Dementia Joe is President it just magically disappeared.

[bobbiemcgee]

Just like Desantis and the slaves.

[GoMuskies]

Just like Desantis and the slaves.

Holy shit, you'll believe anything from left wing media.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ditto for you righties. Half of the right still thinks trump won. Ridiculous.

[GoMuskies]

That's definitely true for some of those guys. Not sure why you'd want to be like them.

[bobbiemcgee]

Anyway, back to politics thread. Car sez it's 110.

[Masterofreality]

Anyway, back to politics thread. Car sez it's 110.

And you get snow in Denver in May…

[Xville]

There's no point in reading articles, watching the news or listening to "experts". Everything is nothing but a contradiction. All type of media is used to manipulate and influence.

I literally read 4 articles on the Russia/Ukraine war. 1 said Ukraine already won the war, 1 said they were winning, 1 said Russia had won the war, and the final said Russia had the war won 6 months ago. It's like this everyday with hundreds of topics.

I choose me.

Amen to your first paragraph. It’s hysterical how one side thinks they are completely different than the other. It’s all the same cesspool. People like Tucker and Rachel are probably best buddies in real life laughing all the way to the bank.

[Muskie in dayton]

Don't know how to look it up. Saw that forest fires in America from 2013 thru 2019 release 3 times more CO2 than Americans in the same time span.
96% of carbon dioxide emissions are from natural sources (fire, volcanic eruptions, organic matter decomposition).

[GoMuskies]

The carbon capture and storage grift is going to be a fun, profitable one.

[Muskie in dayton]

I didn’t just see his name before disregarding the article. I read about him. I took note of the “facts not opinion” claim in the title of a clear opinion piece. I read the article (which opens with “By Joe Hoff” despite the “guest author”)

The reason I replied to Louis is because he posted that like it settled the whole debate. Like he just won with a clear and compelling scientific argument debunking the climate crisis. Just found it funny.

And by the way - since you mentioned it - I look at the source first, before spending any time on the merits. If it’s not worth taking on point by point because the source is crap, or merely opinion, why bother? The article is clearly opinion, and, in my view, from a suspect source.
The graphs presented data. Data are not opinion. You are free to argue the data interpretation or present other data, but this is weak.

[xu82]

Ditto for you righties. Half of the right still thinks trump won. Ridiculous.

Do you realize the majority of us are in the middle, and we think the loud extremists sound silly? I’m not picking on you personally, but I’m picking on the 20%+/- that inhabits either extreme.

The rest of us stay pretty quiet.

[XU_Lou]

Thank God we have such virtuous people on this board....

[Strange Brew]

Anyway, back to politics thread. Car sez it's 110.

Not anywhere in CO today.

[Masterofreality]

Not anywhere in CO today.

What?? A virtuous Liberal lied?? And the name wasn’t Joe Biden?
SHOCKING!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

CAR temp. Sun on metal exterior. do you have this feature? Or are you still driving your 70's bug? Heat advisory for 100.

[Strange Brew]

CAR temp. do you have this feature? Or are you still driving your 70's bug? Heat advisory for 100.

Yes, mine was 94 yesterday and yes, it’s going to be hot today. It’s late Jul.

[bobbiemcgee]

Not anywhere in CO today.

107 in grand junction

[Strange Brew]

107 in grand junction

It’s supposed to be ~100 today. It’s a high desert and this is normal.

[paulxu]

It’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
It as if we have our own Flat Earth Society, right here on Xavierhoops.

[Strange Brew]

It’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
It as if we have our own Flat Earth Society, right here on Xavierhoops.

Consensus isn’t science.

[Masterofreality]

Consensus isn’t science.

A consensus of “Scientific” Grant Grift.
Call it what it is.
Keep that money spigot going…..

[XU_Lou]

It’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
It as if we have our own Flat Earth Society, right here on Xavierhoops.


Consensus isn’t science.

BINGO!!!!!

Hey Paul, where's your brilliant analysis of post #2646? Are you going to slink away from that, as well?

No lefty has yet to comment.... I wonder why?

[xuphan]

It’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
It as if we have our own Flat Earth Society, right here on Xavierhoops.

It’s not really that surprising. Especially on Xavierhoops. In the political world, just follow the money to see why people either believe it or not.

[xuwillie]

A consensus of “Scientific” Grant Grift.
Call it what it is.
Keep that money spigot going…..

exactly. I'll never believe anything Kerry and Gore are involved in. Just look at how those two live, they could give two shits about the environment.

[Smails]

It’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
.

I don't think you understand what science is.

[bobbiemcgee]

It’s supposed to be ~100 today.

Agree. Hottest month on record ever.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2023/07/22/july-is-on-track-to-be-the-hottest-month-on-record-and-things-are-about-to-get-warmer/

[paulxu]

It’s also sad that people turn a scientific idea, studied by scientists around the globe, into a political issue.
I wonder if people made money off of claiming the world was flat?

[Strange Brew]

It’s also sad that people turn a scientific idea, studied by scientists around the globe, into a political issue.
I wonder if people made money off of claiming the world was flat?

No, however they do saying it’s getting hotter…;)

[xu82]

I’m glad to see that this will be resolved soon.

[Strange Brew]

I’m glad to see that this will be resolved soon.

Grants 82.

See also Al Gore and John Kerry.

[XU_Lou]

It’s not really that surprising. Especially on Xavierhoops. In the political world, just follow the money to see why people either believe it or not.


It’s also sad that people turn a scientific idea, studied by scientists around the globe, into a political issue.
I wonder if people made money off of claiming the world was flat?

These comments are ridiculous. You guys can't be serious?

Have you looked at the bank accounts of people like Al Gore, John Kerry and Bill Gates? Yeah, follow the money....

So it's just a "scientific idea"? Are you fucking kidding me? That's all it is to you?

Hey Paul, if you think so strongly that the world is about to burn into oblivion, why can't you address post #2646? Do you think that by ignoring it means that global warming is real? You have a long history on this board of running away whenever the questions get a little too tough.

[Xville]

These comments are ridiculous. You guys can't be serious?

Have you looked at the bank accounts of people like Al Gore, John Kerry and Bill Gates? Yeah, follow the money....

So it's just a "scientific idea"? Are you fucking kidding me? That's all it is to you?

Hey Paul, if you think so strongly that the world is about to burn into oblivion, why can't you address post #2646? Do you think that by ignoring it means that global warming is real? You have a long history on this board of running away whenever the questions get a little too tough.

You are still confused that there are numerous and I mean numerous people that have you on ignore. It’s hilarious. And some of it (not all of it by any means) is because of dumb posts that you keep trying to get people to comment on. You think it’s some kind of gotcha or something.

[xuwillie]

You are still confused that there are numerous and I mean numerous people that have you on ignore. It’s hilarious

How do you ignore? Xavierhoops would be so much better putting Bobbie and Paul on ignore

[Xville]

How do you ignore? Xavierhoops would be so much better putting Bobbie and Paul on ignore

Click on persons profile and then on the left side there is an add to ignore button. Personally I think the board would be a thousand times better with just basketball discussion only.

[GoMuskies]

It absolutely can be basketball only. Just bookmark the men's basketball forum, go straight there and never visit any other forum or thread. It will be 98% basketball talk (and 2% blaming Hunter's medical condition on the vaxx).

[Xville]

It absolutely can be basketball only. Just bookmark the men's basketball forum, go straight there and never visit any other forum or thread. It will be 98% basketball talk (and 2% blaming Hunter's medical condition on the vaxx).

It could but let’s be honest I have zero will power. I mean I come on here in the off-season.

[XU_Lou]

You are still confused that there are numerous and I mean numerous people that have you on ignore.

Wait, to be totally clear, do you mean numerous? As in a lot, right? As in more than a few?

[XU_Lou]

Personally I think the board would be a thousand times better with just basketball discussion only.

But far more than half your posts are on the politics, climate and covid threads - whether in season or not. You whine about it all the time, but you keep coming back.

Don't you have any hobbies? Don't you have young kids? Why are you ignoring them over these topics you hate so much?

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, can't have anybody disagree with you Willie sayanora.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, can't have anybody disagree with you Willie sayanora.

In case you missed this.

[Xville]

But far more than half your posts are on the politics, climate and covid threads - whether in season or not. You whine about it all the time, but you keep coming back.

Don't you have any hobbies? Don't you have young kids? Why are you ignoring them over these topics you hate so much?

No one was talking to you

[Strange Brew]

In case you missed this.

Maybe posting it one more time will make it less hypocritical…

[bobbiemcgee]

How do you ignore? Xavierhoops would be so much better putting Bobbie and Paul on ignore

Why don't you just leave the site. You have never supported it. I'd send you the 12.50 cheapo.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe posting it one more time will make it less hypocritical…

That's funny coming from you.

[xavierj]

107 in grand junction

Grand junction is kind of a desert. I can still see snow in the mountains in Colorado. Love the Colorado weather as it saves on my energy cost. Cool at night and comfortable during the day. Didn’t turn air on until late June.

[Muskie in dayton]

ItÂ’s fascinating how people can be so stridently against a scientific consensus.
It as if we have our own Flat Earth Society, right here on Xavierhoops.
It is absolutely not scientific consensus. I work in the environmental science field (I am an Environmental Scientist) and can tell you those who have nothing to gain (like myself) believe it is potentially a minor to moderate long-term concern. As evidence we just polled the 11 emerging issues in the field for an industry council, and the climate change options came in 9 and 10.

Why on earth would you think it’s “scientific consensus”??

I have said this before on this thread: the concern of anthropogenic climate change a scientific issue, not a political issue. The only place for politics is how to best respond to the uncertainty. But to do so involves acknowledging the uncertainty first, which doesn’t make many people money.

Those blustering one way or another (like you Paul) need to first spend some time understanding the science, not what their political party tells them. If you did that you’d realize it’s not as simple as you would like.

[waggy]

It's just God doing the slow burn.

[Strange Brew]

MOR you’re going to have to change the title of this thread from warming to boiling. The advertising has changed again at the UN.

[Masterofreality]

The first part of this article hits the issue on the head.

“One year’s rise in China’s emissions would outscore the whole of Britain’s emissions for a year,” said Tony Blair. The numbers prove the point: Britain emits 350 million tons of CO2 a year and in 2021 Chinese emissions increased by 510 million tons, to 11.5 billion. 

Blair’s point is underscored by Biden climate envoy John Kerry’s recent trip to China. It was a diplomatic flop: heavy on obsequiousness to the CCP, light on concrete concessions from Xi’s regime. Since Kerry returned empty handed, China has been accused of deploying “wrecking tactics” in G20 climate talks.”

Hence, back to my original post in this thread. If you actually believe in man-made “climate change” look east. They are not your friends. Our pontificating is bullsheet.

https://thespectator.com/newsletter/west-climate-dead-dc-diary-07-28-23/?utm_source=Spectator%20World%20Signup&utm_campaign=5acb4c1879-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2023_07_28_08_27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_-5acb4c1879-%5BLIST_EMAIL_ID%5D

[CSS85]

It is absolutely not scientific consensus. I work in the environmental science field (I am an Environmental Scientist) and can tell you those who have nothing to gain (like myself) believe it is potentially a minor to moderate long-term concern. As evidence we just polled the 11 emerging issues in the field for an industry council, and the climate change options came in 9 and 10.

Why on earth would you think it’s “scientific consensus”??

I have said this before on this thread: the concern of anthropogenic climate change a scientific issue, not a political issue. The only place for politics is how to best respond to the uncertainty. But to do so involves acknowledging the uncertainty first, which doesn’t make many people money.

Those blustering one way or another (like you Paul) need to first spend some time understanding the science, not what their political party tells them. If you did that you’d realize it’s not as simple as you would like.

This entire debate has moved from tiresome to fascinating. This is a link to a letter sent to the EPA by two professors (one from Princeton and one from MIT) dated July 19, 2023. The new wrinkle is that they use a legal argument based on two Supreme court rulings. I think everyone should read the letter no matter what side of the argument you are on, because sections of it are really hysterically funny. One of the arguments is based on a ruling that "scientific knowledge...must be derived by the scientific method". The "new" info I learned is about "saturation" in that even if we continue to produce CO2 at current rates, far less CO2 can be absorbed, so the warming effect (if any) will not be the same in the future as previously seen.

https://co2coalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/07/Happer-Lindzen-EPA-Power-Plants-2023-07-19.pdf

"We are career physicists who have specialized in radiation physics and dynamic heat transfer for decades, subjects directly relevant to the global warming debate. Each of us has published over 200 peer-reviewed papers on the science of climate or closely related subjects"

"We demonstrate below that (1) EPA failed to consider critically important aspects and data concerning CO2, fossil fuels and climate change, and (2) EPA relied on numerous studies that violate the scientific method. As a result, the Proposed Rule, which could eliminate fossil fuel electricity plants that provide 61% of electricity in the United States,will be disastrous for the country, for no scientifically justifiable reason."

[Masterofreality]

This is a rather lengthy article, but it backs up what I have said for years.
If you don’t go along with the “approved narrative” as a Scientist, you will be ousted from Grant money, Science Society groups Academia opportunities and Seminar opportunities- in other words, blackballed.
The author isn’t a “climate change skeptic” but he sure sheds light on why this bullshit proliferates, many times without true scientific backup.

From “The Free Press”:

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

[bjf123]

Great article. Anyone who didn’t think this was happening is incredibly naive. At the end of the day, it’s all about the jack; what’s going to generate the most money, especially research grants.


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[MADXSTER]

This is a rather lengthy article, but it backs up what I have said for years.
If you don’t go along with the “approved narrative” as a Scientist, you will be ousted from Grant money, Science Society groups Academia opportunities and Seminar opportunities- in other words, blackballed.
The author isn’t a “climate change skeptic” but he sure sheds light on why this bullshit proliferates, many times without true scientific backup.

From “The Free Press”:

https://open.substack.com/pub/bariweiss/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published?utm_source=direct&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web

Substack is the new medium of free speech for writers.

[paulxu]

I read the article. It seemed the author agreed that climate change was real and had impacts on things like forest fires.
He was upset, and rightly so, that some ideas about mitigation don’t make it into print, and that they need to.

[Strange Brew]

You missed the first part of of the complaint which was, “the number of wildfires started by people”.

Oh, and most of us are all for mitigation tactics to stop wildfires. Because they happen. And have happened. As long as there have been forests.

[bobbiemcgee]

260 million under heat alert.

[Strange Brew]

260 million under heat alert.

Yep, it’s almost July.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, this is certainly an early hot start, but Greater Cincinnati was unbelievably mild all of last year. Speaking of global warming...check this out.

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2019/07/30/co2-drives-global-warming/

The noticeable increase in CO2 since the industrial age is ALWAYS blamed on fossil fuels.....however.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

The worlds population is up 500% since 1900!!

One would think that nearly 7 billion more people exhaling and farting 24/7 would be a huge contributing factor.....ESPECIALLY when you factor in the similar ratio of animals required to feed us, doing the same.

[Muskie in dayton]

260 million under heat alert.
“It’s hot in summer”.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yep warmer than last years record.

[X-band '01]

Soooooooooo. where is the cocaine? (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hurricane-debby-cocaine-1-million-onto-florida-beach-us-border-patrol/)

Must be hurricane season - this will be an all-timer for the Florida Man who claims ownership for lost coke.

[XU 87]

It's -71 in Antarctica today.

[Masterofreality]

It's -71 in Antarctica today.

Yeah, but it was -73 on this day last year!!!

[Xuperman]

This is off the chart disturbing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/climate/takeaways-pfas-sludge-fertilizer.html

It's a long, complex read....but the unbelievable disaster possibilities are shocking.

[Muskie in dayton]

This is off the chart disturbing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/31/climate/takeaways-pfas-sludge-fertilizer.html

It's a long, complex read....but the unbelievable disaster possibilities are shocking.
Behind a paywall (also unrelated to Global warming), but I’m still waiting on any compelling data about the health hazards of PFAS.

[Xuperman]

Behind a paywall (also unrelated to Global warming), but I’m still waiting on any compelling data about the health hazards of PFAS.

Huh? I didn't hit a paywall? How my post is relevant to this thread, is only that alternative options for this massive amount of human "sludge" is dumping it in land fills with unacceptable methane emission.

The point is that everything that gets flushed down our toilets....and everything that goes down ANY drain....everywhere.... Is evidently safely "processed" into a "sludge" that is fertilizer for 1/5 of the food we eat?