The Wall

[ArizonaXUGrad]

And that 3 million are costing state and local governments a heck of a lot of money and in turn, us. Healthcare, education etc etc

How much are those people feeding into the economy when they purchase goods, food, gasoline, rent? Kris Kobach from Kansas had a conservative think tank study illegal immigration before he wrote his employer sanctions law (which is stupid and never used). It listed out all those things that those 3M people use, but at the end of that report said that the economic gain and taxes paid from purchases of those people evened everything out.

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How much are those people feeding into the economy when they purchase goods, food, gasoline, rent? Kris Kobach from Kansas had a conservative think tank study illegal immigration before he wrote his employer sanctions law (which is stupid and never used). It listed out all those things that those 3M people use, but at the end of that report said that the economic gain and taxes paid from purchases of those people evened everything out.

I don't think that is true. I think that some immigrants have more costs than benefits.

Not all immigrant groups are the same, not all use welfare at the same rate.

Of huge importance is that every situation has pros and cons, costs and benefits.

In immigration, the people bearing the cost most often are not the ones sharing in the benefits.

You import millions of low skill uneducated Mexican peasants and it has costs and benefits.

If you are looking for cheap labor, it is a huge benefit. Want a new roof or an addition to your home? You can likely benefit.

But what if you are a roofer or a carpenter? Supply and demand are indeed a thing. You flood the zone with cheap labor and your working class takes in on the chin. Working class wages have hardly budged since they opened up the floodgates in 1965. It is not a coincidence. The black working class has been tremendously affected, but nobody really acknowledges this.

So lets assume that your correct about everything "evened" out. Even if immigrants were a net plus to the economy, you would still have winners and losers. Companies that hire the cheap labor are winners. The rich are winners. They have more Mcmansions and nice little nannies for their children. The poor are losers. Harder to find affordable housing, stagnant wages, and schools filled with kids who don't even speak the language.

And the people who have always claimed to champion the poor are all for it, and act like their are in fact no costs at all. It is a shitty system and it is broke. Our elites on both sides are complete failures.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I don't think that is true. I think that some immigrants have more costs than benefits.

Not all immigrant groups are the same, not all use welfare at the same rate.

Of huge importance is that every situation has pros and cons, costs and benefits.

In immigration, the people bearing the cost most often are not the ones sharing in the benefits.

You import millions of low skill uneducated Mexican peasants and it has costs and benefits.

If you are looking for cheap labor, it is a huge benefit. Want a new roof or an addition to your home? You can likely benefit.

But what if you are a roofer or a carpenter? Supply and demand are indeed a thing. You flood the zone with cheap labor and your working class takes in on the chin. Working class wages have hardly budged since they opened up the floodgates in 1965. It is not a coincidence. The black working class has been tremendously affected, but nobody really acknowledges this.

So lets assume that your correct about everything "evened" out. Even if immigrants were a net plus to the economy, you would still have winners and losers. Companies that hire the cheap labor are winners. The rich are winners. They have more Mcmansions and nice little nannies for their children. The poor are losers. Harder to find affordable housing, stagnant wages, and schools filled with kids who don't even speak the language.

And the people who have always claimed to champion the poor are all for it, and act like their are in fact no costs at all. It is a shitty system and it is broke. Our elites on both sides are complete failures.

I merely mentioned the study. Can you please write, illegal immigrants and not just immigrants and keep on the same topic. It is easier to debunk the myth that illegals are on welfare.

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I merely mentioned the study. Can you please write, illegal immigrants and not just immigrants and keep on the same topic. It is easier to debunk the myth that illegals are on welfare.

What about the benefits and costs of immigration? Who do you think benefits? Who do you think pays the costs, and what are those costs?

Would like to see CAF list his pros and cons as well.