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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun View Post
    Since the new big east has formed, Nova is 125-73-1 ATS (63% cover rate!). That is #1 in covers since that time nationally. Second is Michigan st with 110-81-5.

    Xavier is 8th at 102-86-4. That includes this year which has been not great for X (6-10-2).

    At some point you just have to say Jay Wright is a boss and he has more talent .... and Mack was not that bad of a coach.
    Getting boat raced 9 times by Nova with the talent we had is a coach with a lousy game plan. Especially when during that same time frame, Nova was beaten 3 times by Butler. Butler for gods sake. Butler ? really, and we keep getting crushed. That's a crap game plan on our part. And Mack was the coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTG View Post
    Getting boat raced 9 times by Nova with the talent we had is a coach with a lousy game plan. Especially when during that same time frame, Nova was beaten 3 times by Butler. Butler for gods sake. Butler ? really, and we keep getting crushed. That's a crap game plan on our part. And Mack was the coach.
    You have a point. Some of those losses, to Nova felt like blowouts. And, in games that were supposed to be close, when X had the talent we had, you have to consider if Mack properly prepared his teams. Not tp say Nova didn't have better talent. They frequently did but some of those losses to Nova were god awful.

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    Transitive property doesn’t apply in basketball, sorry. It’s frustrating to get shellacked by Nova, but the point is everyone gets shellacked by them. I think Jay put extra attention on beating X as we had been the biggest threat to unseat them in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun View Post
    Transitive property doesn’t apply in basketball, sorry. It’s frustrating to get shellacked by Nova, but the point is everyone gets shellacked by them. I think Jay put extra attention on beating X as we had been the biggest threat to unseat them in the league.
    Agreed, not to mention, they're just more talented at this point and time. They get better recruits, are we moving up the ladder? Yes, definitely, but realistically Nova has not only better talent, but they have coaches that develop and game plan that talent well too. We should be competing with them, and I'm not saying to settle for these blow out losses, but right now, give credit where it's due, Nova is a damn good program, one we should aspire to be like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun View Post
    Transitive property doesn’t apply in basketball, sorry. It’s frustrating to get shellacked by Nova, but the point is everyone gets shellacked by them. I think Jay put extra attention on beating X as we had been the biggest threat to unseat them in the league.
    Yeah, ummm... no. Nova has been in plenty of close BE games, certainly many that were more competitive than the rotten eggs we’ve laid against them. We have not put up even token resistance against them, except once. Wright tried harder against X? Really??? Jeez, I wish it had occurred to Mack to try harder against Nova.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XUBison View Post
    Yeah, ummm... no. Nova has been in plenty of close BE games, certainly many that were more competitive than the rotten eggs we’ve laid against them. We have not put up even token resistance against them, except once. Wright tried harder against X? Really??? Jeez, I wish it had occurred to Mack to try harder against Nova.
    I think are might be twisting my words out of context. Regardless Villanova is on another level in this league and maybe you have your Xavier blinders on ....I don’t know. Of course Nova will have close games and I wish X had put up a better fight in games pst. I partially believe that to be roster construction and a bad matchup against them in particular. Also they have better recruits. They get 5 star guys and that makes a difference.

    Regardless of why, they are in a level by themselves in the conference.

    Since 2013 (new BE):
    1. Nova 92-15 (.860) MOV (margin of victory): 11.7
    2. Xavier 67-40 (.626) MOV: 2.2
    3. Providence 59-46 (.562) MOV 0.1
    4. Creighton 53-52 (.505) MOV 2.1
    5. Butler 51-51 (.500) MOV 1.7
    6. Seton Hall 53-53 (.500) MOV -0.6
    7. Marquette 47-56 (.456) MOV -2.1
    8. Georgetown 41-62 (.398) MOV -1.3
    9. St. John’s 37-66 (.359) MOV -4.9
    10. DePaul 21-80 (.218) MOV -9.6

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTG View Post
    Getting boat raced 9 times by Nova with the talent we had is a coach with a lousy game plan. Especially when during that same time frame, Nova was beaten 3 times by Butler. Butler for gods sake. Butler ? really, and we keep getting crushed. That's a crap game plan on our part. And Mack was the coach.
    I concur......until Steele gets boat raced.....which I hope is never by the way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun View Post
    I think are might be twisting my words out of context. Regardless Villanova is on another level in this league and maybe you have your Xavier blinders on ....I don’t know. Of course Nova will have close games and I wish X had put up a better fight in games pst. I partially believe that to be roster construction and a bad matchup against them in particular. Also they have better recruits. They get 5 star guys and that makes a difference.

    Regardless of why, they are in a level by themselves in the conference.

    Since 2013 (new BE):
    1. Nova 92-15 (.860) MOV (margin of victory): 11.7
    2. Xavier 67-40 (.626) MOV: 2.2
    3. Providence 59-46 (.562) MOV 0.1
    4. Creighton 53-52 (.505) MOV 2.1
    5. Butler 51-51 (.500) MOV 1.7
    6. Seton Hall 53-53 (.500) MOV -0.6
    7. Marquette 47-56 (.456) MOV -2.1
    8. Georgetown 41-62 (.398) MOV -1.3
    9. St. John’s 37-66 (.359) MOV -4.9
    10. DePaul 21-80 (.218) MOV -9.6
    Great post Lloyd,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Braun View Post

    Since 2013 (new BE):
    1. Nova 92-15 (.860) MOV (margin of victory): 11.7
    2. Xavier 67-40 (.626) MOV: 2.2
    3. Providence 59-46 (.562) MOV 0.1
    4. Creighton 53-52 (.505) MOV 2.1
    5. Butler 51-51 (.500) MOV 1.7
    6. Seton Hall 53-53 (.500) MOV -0.6
    7. Marquette 47-56 (.456) MOV -2.1
    8. Georgetown 41-62 (.398) MOV -1.3
    9. St. John’s 37-66 (.359) MOV -4.9
    10. DePaul 21-80 (.218) MOV -9.6
    Great stats. The drop off after Xavier is huge, but it isn't as big as the gulf between Nova and Xavier.

    Nova is in a class by themselves. In a way so is Xavier, it is just a class that isn't in the same class as Nova. After us it is just a bunch of .500 or worse NPCs. Marquette is such a poser.
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