Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

Innocent until proven guilty. It will be interesting to see what crimes the indictment actually actually alleges. It could be a slam dunk, or it could be a big stretch by the DA. Based on reporting so far, I’m leaning towards the latter.


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Or….Guilty until Innocence is proven as per Nancy Pelosi.

[Muskie in dayton]

That’s not what is scary STL.

Democrats suck at thinking things through.

[STL_XUfan]

Democrats suck at thinking things through.

Care to expand? I am generally against the concept of anyone being above the law. I am also a big proponent of the presumption of innocence that built in protections for criminal defendants. This isn't like he was sentenced to death by a military tribunal and will be shot without calling a witness. It is a state Court charge that will likely result in a fine after years of litigation and appeals (since we do not know the actual charges yet, I am just speculating). I am not seeing this as some earth shattering event. Hell, I have already received a fund raising email this morning from the Trump campaign using the indictment to raise money.

A lot of other perfectly stable and developed democracy's have had their former leader charged and convicted of a crime. I do not think this will matter at all in the long run.

[Xville]

Another “event” that means very little that the media on both sides will use to cause mass hysteria and rule up bases. There are things that our government and our media need to focus on, this is certainly not one of them.

[GoMuskies]

It's a weird thing to indict a former president over. And yes, you have to be more careful in how you prosecute people who are CLEARLY political enemies to avoid it looking like a purely political process.

This should be all be fun and very helpful.

[Xuperman]

I don't think New York can prosecute Trump for a felony in these hush money allegations. It could rise to a felony if it broke campaign finance laws, but wouldn't that be in Federal court? Could the feds use evidence from this New York indictment to reopen a Federal case investigation? Can someone add some clarity?

[Strange Brew]

I don't think New York can prosecute Trump for a felony in these hush money allegations. It could rise to a felony if it broke campaign finance laws, but wouldn't that be in Federal court? Could the feds use evidence from this New York indictment to reopen a Federal case investigation? Can someone add some clarity?

Feds already weighed in on it.

[Xuperman]

Feds already weighed in on it.

I know. However, if any NY evidence can increase motivation for FEC violations, wouldn't that have the Feds in reconsider mode?

I am hoping for some kind of FELONY conviction. We simply have to have TRADITIONAL conservative ideas - Trump all consuming drama.

[bjf123]

I’m not familiar with all the details, but from some of what I’ve read, I think the DA has linked some kind of alleged federal election violation to what would otherwise be a misdemeanor charge in order to extend the statute of limitations thereby making Trump able to be prosecuted. Even some liberal attorneys have said that if that’s the case, it’s very flimsy.


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[X-band '01]

That's just New York we're talking about here (the whole Stormy Daniels sequence).

That's not even including 3 other major areas of interest - election interference in Georgia, the January 6 insurrection and the storage/withholding of documents. Trump should be much more concerned about the Georgia/January 6 cases than the other two.