Joe Deters- Xavier

[GoMuskies]

Should he be a "justice in residence" at XU is for each of us to decide.

It's actually in the capable hands of Colleen Hanycz to decide.

[nuts4xu]

BleedXBlue: Joe Deters ran for and was elected Ohio Treasurer in '99, appointing Matt Borges as Chief of Staff. Mr. Borges was in charge of choosing brokers to handle investments for the office; in '02 a Cuyahoga County Grand Jury indicted Frank Gruttadauria on counts of securities fraud, including his work for the Ohio Treasurers office; between '99 and '01 he and the two firms he worked for placed $5.9 billion for the office. Borges pleaded guilty and received probation while Gruttadauria went to jail. Mr. Deters was not indicted or charged. However, he showed a gross lack of supervision of the office and his subordinate. He resigned as Treasurer when Art Ney (sp?) was appointed Judge in Hamilton County, and Deters became County Prosecutor. Deters never accepted responsibility for his abysmal performance as Ohio Treasurer; he skated. Should he be a "justice in residence" at XU is for each of us to decide.

I don't see how any of these issues from 20 years ago conflict with what President Hanycz is hoping to accomplish.

"Universities must be marketplaces of ideas where we are forced to encounter ideas and views and perspectives that not only make us think but ideally make us uncomfortable. And that's what I am hoping to have."

[bleedXblue]

BleedXBlue: Joe Deters ran for and was elected Ohio Treasurer in '99, appointing Matt Borges as Chief of Staff. Mr. Borges was in charge of choosing brokers to handle investments for the office; in '02 a Cuyahoga County Grand Jury indicted Frank Gruttadauria on counts of securities fraud, including his work for the Ohio Treasurers office; between '99 and '01 he and the two firms he worked for placed $5.9 billion for the office. Borges pleaded guilty and received probation while Gruttadauria went to jail. Mr. Deters was not indicted or charged. However, he showed a gross lack of supervision of the office and his subordinate. He resigned as Treasurer when Art Ney (sp?) was appointed Judge in Hamilton County, and Deters became County Prosecutor. Deters never accepted responsibility for his abysmal performance as Ohio Treasurer; he skated. Should he be a "justice in residence" at XU is for each of us to decide.

Again, what does Rethuglican mean???? Please answer if you wish

As far as what did or didnt happen with the situation above, Deters wasn't charged with any crime? So guilty by association? LOL Thats what damn near every politician/public office figure in this country takes part in every day?

[hoopster68]

BleedXBlue: "Rethuglican" is my term for the political party and its' adherents formerly known as Republicans. Reasons: the "Big Lie," Jan. 6, grifting on the local, state, national & international level (for specifics see Butler County Auditor where the second person in a row has been found guilty of corruption, at the Ohio state level please google Sam Randazzo, on the national level see Donald J. Trump, on the international level see Jared Kushner & the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund; these examples just begin to scratch the surface).
Re: Joe Deters: Not being charged with a crime is no way to judge those in public service; we expect more from "public servants" including supervision of subordinates, especially when dealing with billions of dollars of state money. Thanks for having a fair discussion, BXB!

[94GRAD]

BleedXBlue: "Rethuglican" is my term for the political party and its' adherents formerly known as Republicans. Reasons: the "Big Lie," Jan. 6, grifting on the local, state, national & international level (for specifics see Butler County Auditor where the second person in a row has been found guilty of corruption, at the Ohio state level please google Sam Randazzo, on the national level see Donald J. Trump, on the international level see Jared Kushner & the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund; these examples just begin to scratch the surface).
Re: Joe Deters: Not being charged with a crime is no way to judge those in public service; we expect more from "public servants" including supervision of subordinates, especially when dealing with billions of dollars of state money. Thanks for having a fair discussion, BXB!

Would you like to comment on the arrests of Cincinnati Council Members Democrats Sittenfeld/Pastor/Dennard for bribery and pay-for-play?

[Masterofreality]

BleedXBlue: Joe Deters ran for and was elected Ohio Treasurer in '99, appointing Matt Borges as Chief of Staff. Mr. Borges was in charge of choosing brokers to handle investments for the office; in '02 a Cuyahoga County Grand Jury indicted Frank Gruttadauria on counts of securities fraud, including his work for the Ohio Treasurers office; between '99 and '01 he and the two firms he worked for placed $5.9 billion for the office. Borges pleaded guilty and received probation while Gruttadauria went to jail. Mr. Deters was not indicted or charged. However, he showed a gross lack of supervision of the office and his subordinate. He resigned as Treasurer when Art Ney (sp?) was appointed Judge in Hamilton County, and Deters became County Prosecutor. Deters never accepted responsibility for his abysmal performance as Ohio Treasurer; he skated. Should he be a "justice in residence" at XU is for each of us to decide.

Deters had zero culpability in that case. Even the borderline Socialist Cleveland Plain Dealer placed the blame where it should have been- on Frank Grutadauria’s Con Man shoulders. He was slick and conned Borges who was basically pled to malfeasance and got probation. Deters was never implicated at all by anyone. Even very smart people have been conned by “Investment Advisors” at times.
Your statement is the height of Strawman argument.

[hoopster68]

MOR: You are conflating "legal culpability" (criminal activity) with the responsibility an elected official has to supervise an office to which she or he is elected. Did Deters have such responsibility?

[XUGRAD80]

MOR: You are conflating "legal culpability" (criminal activity) with the responsibility an elected official has to supervise an office to which she or he is elected. Did Deters have such responsibility?

I have a buddy of mine (UC fan but still a good Joe) who uses that same argument to lambast Miller for what went on at Arizona under “his watch”.

[Muskie]

BleedXBlue: "Rethuglican" is my term for the political party and its' adherents formerly known as Republicans. Reasons: the "Big Lie," Jan. 6, grifting on the local, state, national & international level (for specifics see Butler County Auditor where the second person in a row has been found guilty of corruption, at the Ohio state level please google Sam Randazzo, on the national level see Donald J. Trump, on the international level see Jared Kushner & the Saudi Sovereign Wealth Fund; these examples just begin to scratch the surface).
Re: Joe Deters: Not being charged with a crime is no way to judge those in public service; we expect more from "public servants" including supervision of subordinates, especially when dealing with billions of dollars of state money. Thanks for having a fair discussion, BXB!

You realize that not all Republicans believe the things you claim they do?

[Masterofreality]

MOR: You are conflating "legal culpability" (criminal activity) with the responsibility an elected official has to supervise an office to which she or he is elected. Did Deters have such responsibility?

And Deters did a fine job at it. He was Treasurer from 1999-2005, during which time the State of Ohio had a AA+ Credit rating-higher than Illinois and Indiana and equal to Michigan. Seems as if he fulfilled his responsibility very well despite your Blue Glassed Strawman argument.
That info is public record, if you’d bother to research rather than spewing Dem bull crap.