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    Quote Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
    I think it was incredibly widespread. Perhaps not to the degree it is now that there is NIL, but think of it like this. Now that NIL is here a lot of people want to pay players now that are not under the umbrella of the NCAA and feel no obligation whatsoever to follow any of the NCAA's rules. They did not just all of a sudden start wanting to do that a year ago.
    Thank you. I think some here just want to believe what they want to believe even though there was smoke and in some cases fire for decades. Nothing to see here folks

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    [QUOTE=D-West & PO-Z;760119]
    …The largest schools with the most money have always dominated college athletics. So what is the big change you see happening? The only difference is the athletes themselves now have a lot more power and are benefiting financially…/QUOTE]

    1. The largest schools with the most money? You mean like Minnesota, Arizona State, Texas A&M, Penn State, Georgia, et al.? They have dominated schools like Xavier, Gonzaga, Creighton, Villanova, Baylor, Miami, et al.? This point is wrong.

    2. Fine with me if players benefit financially, but power? Were the players in need of more power? Why? Because of those meany coaches? Even Huggie-Bear’s former players love the guy.
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    I personally could very easily get to a point where my fandom for college sports could waiver. Where I could be driven away from watching on TV and/or in person. I do not want professionals representing a college. But I’m realistic enough to know that my opinion is very possibly that of the minority. So take it for what it’s worth. I’m not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking and therefore won’t offer up reasons why one should. We all have to make our decisions for ourselves. I will only offer up this for your consideration….

    The NFL is by far the most popular sports organization in the US, perhaps even the world. Some years ago the owners realized that having just a handful of the same teams capable of winning the championship was not good for business. It would turn off more fans than it would bring in. So they, in cooperation with the players Union, have instituted several rules that are designed to “even the playing field” and make sure that all teams have an equal opportunity to compete with each other. Some may call that socialism or communism, but I call it smart business. No one can deny the success of the NFL. No NFL team loses money.

    On the other hand you have Major League Baseball, once our “national pastime” and the most popular leisure activity in the country. They have gone the opposite route. Big market teams with big bucks dominate. Rosters change yearly now, where before the players became synonymous with a city or a franchise. The players were part of the community. Realistically only a few franchises have a chance of winning. And what has happened? Attendance across the league is down. TV viewership is down. Fan interest is down. Teams are actually losing money.

    IMHO…..the NCAA and all of the colleges need to look at MLB closely and do whatever they can to not repeat their mistakes. If they don’t get some kind of handle on this NIL system, and the money that is out there for a select few colleges and not others, the casual fans are going to lose interest, and the colleges are going to lose fans. And when that happens in a large scale way, what then?

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    Well by the looks of the final 4 I would say the NIL is doing the opposite of what everybody is afraid of. With the exception of UCONN the rest are first timers. I think the NIL is going to finally let lesser known schools finally compete. It only takes one rich donor.
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    I don’t think it’s the role of the ncaa to ensure parity.
    zip em up

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    Quote Originally Posted by OTRMUSKIE View Post
    Well by the looks of the final 4 I would say the NIL is doing the opposite of what everybody is afraid of. With the exception of UCONN the rest are first timers. I think the NIL is going to finally let lesser known schools finally compete. It only takes one rich donor.
    Which school is more likely to have a wealthy alumnus with a wild hair for college athletics, a school with a student body of 100,000 or a school of 10,000?
    zip em up

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    Wyoming transfer Graham Ike on X campus today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by XUBison View Post

    1. The largest schools with the most money? You mean like Minnesota, Arizona State, Texas A&M, Penn State, Georgia, et al.? They have dominated schools like Xavier, Gonzaga, Creighton, Villanova, Baylor, Miami, et al.? This point is wrong.

    2. Fine with me if players benefit financially, but power? Were the players in need of more power? Why? Because of those meany coaches? Even Huggie-Bear’s former players love the guy.
    Yes by all means pick the worst basketball schools in all the power conferences to make your point.

    What issue do you have with the players having more power to make choices that benefit them?

    Seems we have a lot of guys on this board who wish they were good enough to be star college athletes but because they weren't think everyone who is should just be happy they are, shut up, know their place, and not ask for anything more. Kinda weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BandAid View Post
    I don’t think it’s the role of the ncaa to ensure parity.
    NCAA Principles….

    Bylaw 2.10 The Principle of Competitive Equity.[*] The structure and programs of the Association and the activities of its members shall promote opportunity for equity in competition to ensure that individual student-athletes and institutions will not be prevented unfairly from achieving the benefits inherent in participation in intercollegiate athletics.


    Parity in results? No.

    Parity in opportunity? Yes, within the realities of the world and as much as they can do with the rules. No one is crazy enough to think that a school like Ohio State doesn’t have built in advantages over a school like Xavier. Leaving the NIL out of it, they have dozens of advantages in money, facilities, student body size, educational options, etc. that X will never have. But the NCAA rules are designed in part to make sure that even with those built in advantages, that X can still compete (if they choose to) on as even a playing field as they can make it.

    I’m only saying that if the NIL is left without any kind of structure designed to minimize the advantages, that it might actually kill the hand that feeds it…..fandom. What good are the names, images, and likenesses if nobody cares? If nobody is watching?
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    Bylaw 2.9….Amateurism

    2.9 The Principle of Amateurism.[*] Student-athletes shall be amateurs in an intercollegiate sport, and their participation should be motivated primarily by education and by the physical, mental and social benefits to be derived. Student participation in intercollegiate athletics is an avocation, and student-athletes should be protected from exploitation by professional and commercial enterprises.

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