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[GoMuskies]

Maybe I just think the Value of the Scholarhip (and assorted other benefits) is sufficient. Actually, I dont think that. I think a stipend for players would be appropriate. But only to the extent that the stipend amount is uniform for all players at all schools for a certain sport. I'd be in favor of 1000 a month per player during the school year. this gets them off the "Ramen Plan", and allows them to upgrade to the "frozen chicken strips plan".

This exists. It's about $3k per semester.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll you what........I asked my question first so how 'bout you answer mine and then I'll answer yours.

I already did right before this post you quoted.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe I just think the Value of the Scholarhip (and assorted other benefits) is sufficient. Actually, I dont think that. I think a stipend for players would be appropriate. But only to the extent that the stipend amount is uniform for all players at all schools for a certain sport. I'd be in favor of 1000 a month per player during the school year. this gets them off the "Ramen Plan", and allows them to upgrade to the "frozen chicken strips plan".

I didnt think you needed a free education AND a sports car.

By the way, at this juncture, I would like to see the scholarships revoked and just have kids pay their own way using the NIL money. Why not?

So is it jealousy? Or a yearning for how things used to be? If the market dictates they are worth more then why do you care they get more? Do you think 2 million should be enough for Miller and other coaches, why do they need 4 million and 6 million and on?

Being worried about Xavier's ability to keep up and the detrimental effects it may have on their program if they don't keep up makes a lot more sense to me as a reason to wish things were how the used to be. But if even smaller schools, or mid major schools are competing at a high level, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would care.

However, to each their own. Not trying to convince you to feel differently.

[xubrew]

A slight refocusing on the topic, given that NIL is most likely here to stay in some form.

What are outcomes/realities that could bring sanity to the NIL environment (if I am allowed to presume that NIL is here to stay, but is operating at a more feverish level out of the gate at this point)?

I see two potential governing possibilities:

1. Supply and demand of available talent; and

2. Funding fatigue on the part of NIL sponsors who don't always realize their perceived/stated objectives with the NIL-funded player.


Re #1: As has been pointed out, there has always been a stratification of talent in the sport with the most talented going to the bigger programs, and with most of those players, if not all of them receiving "support" for choosing those schools. Are we at a place in the pecking order that will still allow us to operate effectively with a sufficient talent pool for Sean? Does the supply of available talent at the level we require it outpace the demand for NIL-targeted players we may want? I guess we could draw conclusions from rating services lists, etc., but part of this is complicated by the amount of oxygen that football playing schools are going to suck away from each other as they chase football players on the NIL side. Yes, bigger schools, so more NIL co-op space, but still, they have to make room for at least 22 starters on both sides of the ball for football. I don't have an answer for this, obviously. I'm just wondering if the issue is abated somewhat by having enough of a talent pool to begin with, and then having a little competitive relief from the fact that the "P5" crowd has other funding issues to address.

Re #2: Here is where I may be naive, but how does a SPONSOR achieve true marketing value from a kid who may only be around for one, two or a few years? As I've noted before, an 18-year old or a 22-year old basketball player isn't going to sell me a car. Beyond that, what if my INVESTMENT breaks an ankle or something and is left sitting on the bench watching the game? Corporate NIL deals. Publicly traded companies spending this way in their marketing departments? NCAAT sponsors maybe - look at AT&T. But that is a very few people benefitting from that one. Privately-held company that makes a lot of money? So you make a lot of money - 7-digits a year - but are you going to be willing to go out of pocket for this stuff over multiple years to the tune of six-digit installments over those years? Perhaps, if you're one of the avid boosters. Perhaps not, or perhaps it gets old after a while as you assess the value of the NIL "investment" and other ways of supporting your school. Here is where I get back to worrying mostly about the collectives as I understand them. Big schools with huge alumni bases that PayPal there way online through $5 and $10 here and there over 40,000 people. Wait. That tops out at $400k. Good for ony player for the "U."

Now I'm babbling. The question remains: what could bring sanity to this area. Who is paying for C. J. Stroud's scheduled maintenance calls at the Bentley dealership? Well, bad example.

I think this is a very important question, and that it taps into something that most people are missing.

Think back to the scandals with the apparel companies and agents. Why were they doing that?? It wasn't so much to sell a product as it was to get access to and build relationships with players. Basketball is a global game. It doesn't have the global appeal that soccer has, but it is a global game. Most people don't realize this either, but more than half of all D1 players end up playing professionally somewhere in the world, and the vast majority end up making over $70k a year. A large percentage of players make a lot more than that. For P5 schools, I believe that number is close to 80%. That's not NBA money, but it's some money. Most agents will make anywhere from 4% to 15% of a contract. That's why agents and bag men are willing to give money to players, and the apparel companies were willing to front that money in exchange for access to an agent's really good players.

Far more basketball players were getting money that they technically were not supposed to be getting than what most people ever realized. Sometimes it wasn't even coming from the school or from a booster. Many times a school may not have even known. So, in men's basketball, at the D1 level, while a lot of money may be officially coming from a "sponsor" MOST of the time I don't think it's because of that particular player's marketing value for that partuclar company, but rather as a way for companies to get closer to agents and for agents to get closer to players.

And there is a whole big session on NIL at this year's Coaches Convention at the Final Four. And while oftentimes nothing ever changes during and after conventions, I'm kind of curious to hear about how this goes.

[MHettel]

So is it jealousy? Or a yearning for how things used to be? If the market dictates they are worth more then why do you care they get more? Do you think 2 million should be enough for Miller and other coaches, why do they need 4 million and 6 million and on?

Being worried about Xavier's ability to keep up and the detrimental effects it may have on their program if they don't keep up makes a lot more sense to me as a reason to wish things were how the used to be. But if even smaller schools, or mid major schools are competing at a high level, I just can't wrap my head around why anyone would care.

However, to each their own. Not trying to convince you to feel differently.

I dont mean to break the news here, but this IS an internet message board. And I AM just voicing my opinion about how I feel about the situation. You get that right? I dont like it. I loved college basketball just the way it was. It wasnt perfect, but I'm not on some mission to make it perfect either.

I think having crazy roster turnover year after year will diminish my level of enjoying the game.

I also think that getting a free education to play a sport and be on TV would be a DREAM for most kids and yet we're bitching about them not ALSO getting 6 figure salaries and sports cars. Thats a bit unsavory to me.

Its about me. I dont like it.

It's laugable that people were like "ah, it's nothing, things will be the same." We are one year into it and the whole thing is turned on it's head.

[XUBison]

I guess the ones that have a problem with nil are the ones who have stuck their heads in the sand and believe that players weren’t getting paid for decades under the table. Must be nice to live in the world of fantasy and make believe.

I am not opposed to NIL, but this statement is utter nonsense.

[Xville]

I am not opposed to NIL, but this statement is utter nonsense.

To the extent of what some are allegedly making now, maybe. However, I think it is utter nonsense that people think players weren’t being paid.

I guess all that stuff the fbi found was just nonsense and that those players were the only ones getting paid. Like come on man.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont mean to break the news here, but this IS an internet message board. And I AM just voicing my opinion about how I feel about the situation. You get that right? I dont like it. I loved college basketball just the way it was. It wasnt perfect, but I'm not on some mission to make it perfect either.

I think having crazy roster turnover year after year will diminish my level of enjoying the game.

I also think that getting a free education to play a sport and be on TV would be a DREAM for most kids and yet we're bitching about them not ALSO getting 6 figure salaries and sports cars. Thats a bit unsavory to me.

Its about me. I dont like it.

It's laugable that people were like "ah, it's nothing, things will be the same." We are one year into it and the whole thing is turned on it's head.

Fair enough.

So it is fair to say you no longer love college basketball then?

[Xville]

This is flat earth level shit.

I'm sure that in the most exceptional circumstances players were getting paid modest amounts. Like VERY rarely were players getting paid at all, and usually probably more like the "hundred dollar handshake."

To say that "its no different than it's always been, i'ts just not being hidden anymore" is just ridiculous.

Yeah will wade, pitino, cal, self etc etc etc only tried to pay a player once and never again and ayton was the only one who got paid to go to zona. Come on.

I guess all those UCLA players went to play for wooden for funsies.

I don’t think it was as widespread as it is now, but I think it happened significantly and to think otherwise in my mind is pretty naive

[xubrew]

Yeah will wade, pitino, cal, self etc etc etc only tried to pay a player once and never again and ayton was the only one who got paid to go to zona. Come on.

I guess all those UCLA players went to play for wooden for funsies.

I don’t think it was as widespread as it is now, but I think it happened significantly and to think otherwise in my mind is pretty naive

I think it was incredibly widespread. Perhaps not to the degree it is now that there is NIL, but think of it like this. Now that NIL is here a lot of people want to pay players now that are not under the umbrella of the NCAA and feel no obligation whatsoever to follow any of the NCAA's rules. They did not just all of a sudden start wanting to do that a year ago.