Covid-19

[X Factor]

Thanks. Didn't see anything in the second link, but the first one was instructive.
The thrust of the article and the studies wasn't (according to how I read it) that the CDC admitted hospitalizations were over-counted by double.
Rather that many hospitalizations, in cases over 40%+, were mild symptoms that didn't end up requiring oxygen, intubation, etc.
I guess if someone is symptomatic, goes to the ER, and the doctor admits for observation...then it becomes a "hospitalization."
If they go for something else and are admitted (and they also are Covid +) then that might be counted incorrectly.

But whats the point? Hundreds of thousands have died from the virus. 2,000+/day are still dying. Maybe that's the number to focus on.
We turned the world upside down forever for the terrorist attack of 9/11 where 3,000 were killed on one day. We keep doing that every 2 days.....

And probably 75-80% of Covid deaths have occurred in people aged 65 or older. We should've been focusing on the elderly and weakened population from the beginning. It's absolutely insane how the government and medical community has handled this.


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...accine-5s.html

Pfizer has officially submitted data to the FDA to receive authorization to use its shot in children aged six months old to five
If authorization is granted, it would make the U.S. the nation with the youngest eligibility for the Covid vaccine
Dr Cody Meissner, a member of an FDA advisory committee on vaccines, told DailyMail.com that he is not sure whether the shots are necessary for young kids
Children are extremely unlikely to suffer sever symptoms of die from Covid, data from the CDC shows

Despite the push from regulators to expand eligibility for the shots to include young children, the controversial move would make the U.S. the only nation to jab children under one years old for Covid.

Outside of children with serious comorbidities, he does not think there is a basis to approve the jab in the younger age group, and he especially fears green-lighting the shot will open the door for preschools and other facilities to institute vaccine mandates for young kids.

[Muskie in dayton]

You must be confused (again), post 7062 has nothing to do with your claim, which again, numerous links refuting.

Let's go to the replay booth on this one:
- I post claim that vaccines are exhibiting negative efficacy against Omicron (the vaxxed are getting cases at a higher rate than unvaxxed)
- You ask me what I'm referring to and post two links to rebuttals of studies you thought were the basis of my claim.
- I posted (7062) observations from 2 of the very few geographies that report case data by vax status.
- You claim I didn't respond to your rebuttals of studies that had nothing to do with my claim.
- I clarified what I was referring to (which was not the studies you thought), and I posted a link to the UK data which is the most compelling.
- You claim that I am confused.

Now what didn't happen? You didn't look at the UK data I linked. I get it, the data were not well synthesized.

No problem! The Scottish health department did the synthesis for us for their data. Open the following link, scroll to Table 14, and enjoy.
https://www.publichealthscotland.sco...ion_report.pdf

Not only are the vaxxed getting Omicron at a higher rate than the unvaxxed, but the disparity is growing.

[Muskie in dayton]

OMG, you are exhausting. Do you just post so much bullshit you have such a hard time keeping track of it? Or is it intentional? This is like the 10th time you've attempted a confusion racket to stop from having to own up to your BS. The links I posted absolutely refute the statement you made above.

Henceforth, I shall refer to you as "Gaslighter". It is your specialty.

[Xville]

Let's go to the replay booth on this one:
- I post claim that vaccines are exhibiting negative efficacy against Omicron (the vaxxed are getting cases at a higher rate than unvaxxed)
- You ask me what I'm referring to and post two links to rebuttals of studies you thought were the basis of my claim.
- I posted (7062) observations from 2 of the very few geographies that report case data by vax status.
- You claim I didn't respond to your rebuttals of studies that had nothing to do with my claim.
- I clarified what I was referring to (which was not the studies you thought), and I posted a link to the UK data which is the most compelling.
- You claim that I am confused.

Now what didn't happen? You didn't look at the UK data I linked. I get it, the data were not well synthesized.

No problem! The Scottish health department did the synthesis for us for their data. Open the following link, scroll to Table 14, and enjoy.
https://www.publichealthscotland.sco...ion_report.pdf

Not only are the vaxxed getting Omicron at a higher rate than the unvaxxed, but the disparity is growing.

Negative efficacy because there is some data out there that has more omnicron
Cases among vaccinated vs unvaccinated, in one part of the world ok lol.

[Muskie in dayton]

I have posted numerous times about the seasonality of COVID: there's a peak in mid-Summer most pronounced in the southern states; and a peak in early-winter most pronounced in the northern States and the midwest. This was postulated by Edgar Hope-Simpson for the flu (similar respiratory virus that spreads as airborne particles) almost 50 years ago.

The reason for this has not been clear, but a study just came out that provides a great explanation: Fluid dynamics of the airborne particles, in conjunction with weather patterns (temperature, humidity and wind patterns), can explain this:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0037640

Why is this important? Forewarned is forearmed. Also, if recognized, will prevent the bullshit models we had at the beginning of this pandemic (MOR's favorite).

[Muskie in dayton]

Negative efficacy because there is some data out there that has more omnicron
Cases among vaccinated vs unvaccinated, in one part of the world ok lol.

Yes. Also look at Israel. If you have examples to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing them.

[Xville]

I have posted numerous times about the seasonality of COVID: there's a peak in mid-Summer most pronounced in the southern states; and a peak in early-winter most pronounced in the northern States and the midwest. This was postulated by Edgar Hope-Simpson for the flu (similar respiratory virus that spreads as airborne particles) almost 50 years ago.

The reason for this has not been clear, but a study just came out that provides a great explanation: Fluid dynamics of the airborne particles, in conjunction with weather patterns (temperature, humidity and wind patterns), can explain this:
https://aip.scitation.org/doi/10.1063/5.0037640

Why is this important? Forewarned is forearmed. Also, if recognized, will prevent the bullshit models we had at the beginning of this pandemic (MOR's favorite).

You mean those models that were introduced before there were things like vaccines?

[Xville]

Yes. Also look at Israel. If you have examples to the contrary, I'd be interested in seeing them.

Yeah lou has already shared that five billion times. That doesn’t prove anything. May want to use the word effectiveness vs efficacy. Since especially in omnicron cases don’t matter especially to those who have been vaccinated.

[Muskie in dayton]

Johns Hopkins published a very comprehensive metanalysis of lockdowns effectiveness. It showed there was no benefit to stopping COVID spread but had profound negative collateral damage. https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/fi...-Mortality.pdf
I don't think this is still in doubt (at least amongst posters here) but it's a good reminder that our response to this was FUCKED UP. If this was so wrong, what else was/is so wrong that we don't realize yet?

As a fun side note, I remember a certain Ohio State fan on Twitter that did an analysis of this with similar conclusions in Summer 2020. Some of you, let's just say, discredited this.

[Muskie in dayton]

Yeah lou has already shared that five billion times. That doesn’t prove anything. It’s a good try though

Do you have data to the contrary?