Covid-19

[D-West & PO-Z]

No, it is about vaccine mandates. The question is, "is the social benefit of government vaccine mandates worth the cost of the government taking away medical autonomy." And you are wrong, it is JUST like smoking, obesity, etc... exactly as Lloyd explained.

Dude, you can't even follow along in this thread to your own conversations. Xville is right about the what the question was. I know because I was the one who responded to your post saying your other question (replying to your second question in your own post, post 6682) had been answered numerous times in this thread.

[D-West & PO-Z]

if you think about it for more than 30 seconds.

Now see, there is the tough part for many people!

[Strange Brew]

Dude, you can't even follow along in this thread to your own conversations. Xville is right about the what the question was. I know because I was the one who responded to your post saying your other question (replying to your second question in your own post, post 6682) had been answered numerous times in this thread.

Ok, how are the unvaxxed a risk to the vaxxed/society?

[XU_Lou]

Fixed

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ctive_citywide

[GoMuskies]

My partially educated opinion is that there's a sprinking of truth coming in from all sides. The vaccines are generally safe and very effective, and most people should get them. I'm kind of 50/50 on whether kids should get them. Don't really think they need them, but don't really see the harm, either. Ivermectin is probably a little bit effective in treating Covid. Not so much that people should rely on it instead of the vaccine, but likely somewhat. And I DO think it's in the best interests of the pharamaceutical industry to mock ivermectin and make everyone who takes it look like an idiot.

Sorry to those in the medical community. I'm sure your life has been difficult these past two years. But I'm beyond worrying about this pandemic and whehter or not other people are getting vaccinated. I'm sick of talking about it and asking about it. I got my two shots, and if I get sick I'll stay home. At some point I'm sure I'll get boostered. If this is just how life is going to be from now on, so be it. I'm at 99.5% normal from pre-pandemic. I'll just have to live without the other 0.5%.

[Lloyd Braun]

So, what you are saying is that according to the school of western medicine, a proven safe drug cannot be repurposed in practice - even if all indications are that it provides some effectiveness - unless demonstrated effective through clinical research trials?

I think the term “all indications” in this instance is a giant stretch. If it were all indications we would not be having this discussion.

How do you reconcile that with the vaccines? Shouldn't this very safe, Nobel-prize winning drug which has been shown effective in pooled meta-analyses be given an EUA for this pandemic? Is it possible that drug companies are developing their own patentable therapeutics? Then is it possible that these drug companies would have a lot to lose by such a repurposed, inexpensive drug becoming widely used? And don't these drug companies have a very powerful lobby?

The vaccine has gone through phase 3 clinical trials for this particular indication, showing exactly a number needed to treat, primary and secondary endpoints that have shown benefit outweighing risk for every population. I’m not opposed to ivermectin or any medication being used in a controlled study at all. Pharma companies would too if the data was there to support it. It’s very easy to take an old compound and create a new product for it. Just make it extended release or something easy as a formulation change to make it a branded product.

If you consider this a conspiracy theory, you are simply not paying attention.

On a separate by highly related note, this is hot off the press: https://www.researchgate.net/publica...ctive_citywide

The data from Brazil is pretty sloppy. I would be happy to expand if you wanted to take blinders off. But it’s pretty plain as day.

[Lloyd Braun]

I’m sure that works just as well. Guess it depends on which Pharma rep comes to the office…

Monoclonal antibodies are not very controversial. It’s widespread accepted as the best treatment for outpatient covid in high risk individuals. And there are not any pharma reps for it that I know of. Nice try though?

[Lloyd Braun]

Ok, how are the unvaxxed a risk to the vaxxed/society?

I replied to this earlier but you didn’t seem to let it soak in. Immunity isn’t black and white, it’s a spectrum. Vaxxed does not equal 100% safe. Should those without immune systems strong enough to fight the disease or generate an immune response (3% of the population excluding the elderly) not be able to partake in society? Too bad for them I guess.

[Strange Brew]

I think the term “all indications” in this instance is a giant stretch. If it were all indications we would not be having this discussion.



The vaccine has gone through phase 3 clinical trials for this particular indication, showing exactly a number needed to treat, primary and secondary endpoints that have shown benefit outweighing risk for every population. I’m not opposed to ivermectin or any medication being used in a controlled study at all. Pharma companies would too if the data was there to support it. It’s very easy to take an old compound and create a new product for it. Just make it extended release or something easy as a formulation change to make it a branded product.



The data from Brazil is pretty sloppy. I would be happy to expand if you wanted to take blinders off. But it’s pretty plain as day.

I’m not sure anyone here is planning to use Ivermectim as a replacement for a vaccine. The questions are why are you so opposed to individuals trying it and how are the unvaxxed a threat to the vaxxed?

[Lloyd Braun]

I’m not sure anyone here is planning to use Ivermectim as a replacement for a vaccine. The questions are why are you so opposed to individuals trying it and how are the unvaxxed a threat to the vaxxed?

I think you have a reading comprehension issue or perhaps you are just fucking with me… not sure which is true.

Who do you think should take ivermectin? What about kids? What about healthy college students? Healthy 40 year olds? I could go on … where do you draw the line? Anyone should take it?