Covid-19

[Strange Brew]

Purposely obtuse is what I am guessing, and actually hoping. I think very few people on this board could unintentionally be that dumb.

Speaking of dumb. Didn’t we all do something for two weeks (or a year) almost two years ago to stop all this?

The vax is good. Get it if it’s for you. This is not a problem solely of the unvaxxed and let’s move on. This isn’t going away and I’d like to know where it came from, why and did the US find it?

[Muskie in dayton]

Yes. For one I am a healthcare worker. No longer on the frontlines but I have great compassion for those who are who are dealing with this still everyday and are facing tremendous burnout.

Secondly, I for one, and I know call me crazy, don’t like to see people needlessly die due to ignorance.

Those people making poor choices are having great effect on all sorts of other people.

Imagine thinking it was no concern to anyone else or society. Again, just wow!

No, you forever lost that argument when you fired healthcare workers for not taking the vax. You added that strain to the others.

I don't like to see people make poor choices either, but it is their choice. And you'll need to try again to justify how a vaccine helps anyone but the individual vaccinated.

[Muskie in dayton]

Do you not understand that people’s decisions affect others in a variety of ways or are you just being obtuse so you can stick to your beliefs?

No I completely understand that. There are countless examples of questionable choices people make that affect others. See the question I posed to Bobby.

You know what other questionable choice people make that affect others? Mandating a vaccine.

[Xville]

No, you forever lost that argument when you fired healthcare workers for not taking the vax. You added that strain to the others.

I don't like to see people make poor choices either, but it is their choice. And you'll need to try again to justify how a vaccine helps anyone but the individual vaccinated.

Anyone with a brain knows the answer to your last sentence, I guess you just choose to be obtuse because I don’t believe you to be that dumb.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No, you forever lost that argument when you fired healthcare workers for not taking the vax. You added that strain to the others.

I don't like to see people make poor choices either, but it is their choice. And you'll need to try again to justify how a vaccine helps anyone but the individual vaccinated.

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think the burnout is due to people being fired for not getting vaccinated. Literally none.

I and others have answered your other question numerous times in this very thread. You choosing to ignore it is on you.

[Muskie in dayton]

Speaking of dumb. Didn’t we all do something for two weeks (or a year) almost two years ago to stop all this?

The vax is good. Get it if it’s for you. This is not a problem solely of the unvaxxed and let’s move on. This isn’t going away and I’d like to know where it came from, why and did the US find it?

That pretty much sums it up. As to your question, Vanity Fair, of all sources provides an interesting clue: In Major Shift, NIH Admits Funding Risky Virus Research in Wuhan | Vanity Fair

[Muskie in dayton]

You have no idea what you are talking about if you think the burnout is due to people being fired for not getting vaccinated. Literally none.

I and others have answered you other question numerous times in this very thread. You choosing to ignore it is on you.

Then please tell me, what is the cause of the burnout. The reason I keep hearing is inadequate staffing.

No, you didn't. You can't claim hospital capacity since unvaccinated health care workers were fired. You can't claim it will end the pandemic, or even reduce cases since the vax does not prevent infection or decrease transmission - at all. If you want to make the burned out health care worker argument, then hire back the unvaccinated.

Look, I am clearly pro-vax, but avidly anti-vax mandate. I wish every adult made the choice to get vaccinated; but even more, I wish people would stay out of other peoples business. You and I think they are making a bad choice, they think we made a bad choice by getting vaxxed. Respecting others individual choices is a good thing.

[Xville]

Then please tell me, what is the cause of the burnout. The reason I keep hearing is inadequate staffing.

No, you didn't. You can't claim hospital capacity since unvaccinated health care workers were fired. You can't claim it will end the pandemic, or even reduce cases since the vax does not prevent infection or decrease transmission - at all. If you want to make the burned out health care worker argument, then hire back the unvaccinated.

Look, I am clearly pro-vax, but avidly anti-vax mandate. I wish every adult made the choice to get vaccinated; but even more, I wish people would stay out of other peoples business. You and I think they are making a bad choice, they think we made a bad choice by getting vaxxed. Respecting others individual choices is a good thing.

Nevermind, waste of time this thread is.

[MADXSTER]

Look, I am clearly pro-vax, but avidly anti-vax mandate. I wish every adult made the choice to get vaccinated; but even more, I wish people would stay out of other peoples business. You and I think they are making a bad choice, they think we made a bad choice by getting vaxxed. Respecting others individual choices is a good thing.

I am 100% agree with this. I am vaxxed. Got my booster yesterday. But am 100% against forcing people to get vaxxed.

[Lloyd Braun]

I can’t speak for everybody’s burn out but I can for myself and those around me, and I feel is a fair representation of most healthcare providers. The burnout we are experiencing is not just from being overworked due to inadequate staffing. The only exception to this might be the emergency departments as they are understaffed and have no control over their volume. Burn out comes from doing the same thing over and over again and not seeing a light at the end of the tunnel. It is extremely discouraging to do your best to encourage patients to get vaccinated, stay home when they’re sick, etc. only to see it get worse. Healthcare providers help people every day that fail to help themselves. That’s part of the job, taking care of smokers, non-compliant diabetics, the list goes on. The difference is those people do not cause such an impediment on everyone else’s health care. We aren’t canceling surgeries because we don’t have a bed because the smoker with lung cancer or heart disease needs admission. People are hesitant to go to the hospital to see care because they know it’s a nightmare there. This could have been prevented by everyone getting vaccinated. I’m not saying everyone should be mandated to be vaccinated but once their poor decisions affect the health of others it is incredibly frustrating to see. Empathy goes out the window… hence, burnout. Job satisfaction goes way down so people quit. I know more nurses that have quit because they don’t enjoy their job than those that quit due to vaccine mandate and it’s not close. The cherry on top is that people seem to feel very entitled these days in every aspect. That’s a whole other ball of wax.

The hospitalization rates for covid currently in northern Ohio are so high it’s worse than it has ever been. The current ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated hospitalizations is about 2:1 (67% unvaccinated, 33% vaccinated). 2 months ago ir was 85/15ish. Those numbers are getting closer to each other as time goes on because there are more breakthrough cases the farther out we get from when most people got the first two shots. The urgency to get a booster is very low because apparently the CDC is afraid to change the definition of “fully vaccinated“. I get it, once they make that change they will again have to hear how they are moving goalposts yada yada yada.