Covid-19

[Strange Brew]

1) Fauci did an end-around the law to fund gain of function research on coronaviruses. Had he not done this we would've never had Covid. He also ignored, dismissed and disparaged the use of therapeutics that could've saved hundred of thousands of lives.


2) During the AIDS epidemic Fauci discouraged and prevented inexpensive treatments for AIDS (Bactrim) and focused exclusively on AZT, a toxic drug that caused liver damage and destroyed white blood cells. [does that sound all too familiar?]

From the Huff Post prior to Covid: "Dr. Anthony Fauci is rewriting history. He is doing so to disguise his shameful role in delaying promotion of an AIDS treatment that would have prevented tens of thousands of deaths in the first years of the epidemic."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/white...tory_b_4762295

From the LA Times in 1993: "The stark reality is that 12 years and 10 billion taxpayer dollars into this epidemic, there’s no cure in sight. The story of how AZT was transformed from an unused chemotherapy into the most widely prescribed AIDS drug, despite accusations of sloppy research and political manipulation, is a cautionary tale of hasty decisions and inexact science."

"Suddenly, the trials were halted after only 16 weeks, two months earlier than planned, because officials felt that it was unethical to withhold a potentially lifesaving drug."

"According to the testimony given that day, more patients in the AZT group had died since the study was halted."

" “I have managed to survive for 11 years with AIDS, and we’re still nowhere, says Callen. “While they were frittering away billions of dollars, while they were dallying with AZT, they were not pursuing treatments that could have saved my life. And I will pay for their stupidity with my life."

[again, does all that sound too familiar?]

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-...183-story.html


3) Fauci’s NIH funded experiments on AIDS orphans at the Incarnation Children’s Center in New York City in 2004. In 2005, the city of New York hired the VERA Institute to form a final report on the drug trials. VERA was given no access to medical records for any of the children used in trials. Their report was published in 2008. They reported that twenty-five children died during the drug studies, that an additional fifty-five children died following the studies (in foster care), and, according to Tim Ross, Director of the Child Welfare program at VERA (as of 2009), 29% of the remaining 417 children who were used in drug studies had died (out of a total 532 children that are admitted to have been used).

Again, this video (interview) was published prior to Covid. You be the judge:

I’ll admit when I’m wrong. The NYC orphan nightmare happened in the 2000’s not the 80’s.

On a somewhat related note I’m seeing reports that thee major pharma companies are set to release COVID treatment drugs.

[boozehound]

Public reps is all I got, I’m afraid. I pay even less attention to this stuff than I did over the last couple years. I’ve come to believe that it’s best to not put much faith in anything/anyone that is clearly slanted one way or the other. I have no agenda, like some people clearly do.

The more sensational it sounds, the more skeptical I am.
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Exactly. When someone is comparing Dr. Fauci to Dr. Mengele, and then brings up 'all the orphans that Dr. Fauci killed with his AIDs experiments', my bullshit radar goes off big time. I had literally never heard that before, and it seemed surprising that Dr. Fauci's career wouldn't have been limited by his performing Dr. Mengele-esque medical experiments that he was conducting. On Orphans. In America. In the 1980's. It also seems hard to believe that in the 18 months (so far) of Fauci being demonized by the fringe right, this is the first time that his grotesque experiments have come up.

So I do a quick google search.

Here's how context worked: The NIAID, which Fauci runs, did conduct clinical trials on children, and 25 kids did die. The part where context matters is the part where the kids had HIV/AIDS and many of them were very sick when entering the trial.

Now it makes a little more sense.

Interestingly the BBC film that started this in 2004 resulted in an apology by the BBC in 2007, as reported by the Guardian. This was far before anyone knew who Fauci was, so it's not like it's a recent retraction in response to the recent allegations by the crazy anti-Fauci crowd. It's funny how none of the recent articles mention the BBC's apology and acknowledgement of breach of editorial standards. They must have missed it, I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/oct/23/2

Alternatively, you could believe that the NIAID somehow conducted fatal and torturous experiments on children but no one was ever held to account. Then a documentary was made, but no investigation was conducted by any type of law enforcement agency. Of course, you are already reading that Fauci-Mengele article because you have (weird, IMO) vested interest in demonizing some civil servant because you don't agree with his policy. It's an extension of the behavior the leads to people threatening local school board officials for upholding mask mandates, or local election officials for not making Trump somehow win.

That's not to say that the trials didn't contain some ethical issues - it sounds like they very likely did. Seems like a far cry from Auschwitz though.

[xu82]

Exactly. When someone is comparing Dr. Fauci to Dr. Mengele, and then brings up 'all the orphans that Dr. Fauci killed with his AIDs experiments', my bullshit radar goes off big time. I had literally never heard that before, and it seemed surprising that Dr. Fauci's career wouldn't have been limited by his performing Dr. Mengele-esque medical experiments that he was conducting. On Orphans. In America. In the 1980's. It also seems hard to believe that in the 18 months (so far) of Fauci being demonized by the fringe right, this is the first time that his grotesque experiments have come up.

So I do a quick google search.

Here's how context worked: The NIAID, which Fauci runs, did conduct clinical trials on children, and 25 kids did die. The part where context matters is the part where the kids had HIV/AIDS and many of them were very sick when entering the trial.

Now it makes a little more sense.

Interestingly the BBC film that started this in 2004 resulted in an apology by the BBC in 2007, as reported by the Guardian. This was far before anyone knew who Fauci was, so it's not like it's a recent retraction in response to the recent allegations by the crazy anti-Fauci crowd. It's funny how none of the recent articles mention the BBC's apology and acknowledgement of breach of editorial standards. They must have missed it, I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/oct/23/2

Alternatively, you could believe that the NIAID somehow conducted fatal and torturous experiments on children but no one was ever held to account. Then a documentary was made, but no investigation was conducted by any type of law enforcement agency. Of course, you are already reading that Fauci-Mengele article because you have (weird, IMO) vested interest in demonizing some civil servant because you don't agree with his policy. It's an extension of the behavior the leads to people threatening local school board officials for upholding mask mandates, or local election officials for not making Trump somehow win.

That's not to say that the trials didn't contain some ethical issues - it sounds like they very likely did. Seems like a far cry from Auschwitz though.

This sounds like a fair summary from a rational person who is not firmly entrenched in one extreme or the other. Thank you for speaking up, since the people we hear the most from are extremists on either side. They try to make the most noise thinking that will make them correct. Instead, it just makes them look stupid, and that’s sad because I don’t really think they are bad people. They are just too invested in their extreme position.

[Strange Brew]

Exactly. When someone is comparing Dr. Fauci to Dr. Mengele, and then brings up 'all the orphans that Dr. Fauci killed with his AIDs experiments', my bullshit radar goes off big time. I had literally never heard that before, and it seemed surprising that Dr. Fauci's career wouldn't have been limited by his performing Dr. Mengele-esque medical experiments that he was conducting. On Orphans. In America. In the 1980's. It also seems hard to believe that in the 18 months (so far) of Fauci being demonized by the fringe right, this is the first time that his grotesque experiments have come up.

So I do a quick google search.

Here's how context worked: The NIAID, which Fauci runs, did conduct clinical trials on children, and 25 kids did die. The part where context matters is the part where the kids had HIV/AIDS and many of them were very sick when entering the trial.

Now it makes a little more sense.

Interestingly the BBC film that started this in 2004 resulted in an apology by the BBC in 2007, as reported by the Guardian. This was far before anyone knew who Fauci was, so it's not like it's a recent retraction in response to the recent allegations by the crazy anti-Fauci crowd. It's funny how none of the recent articles mention the BBC's apology and acknowledgement of breach of editorial standards. They must have missed it, I guess.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/oct/23/2

Alternatively, you could believe that the NIAID somehow conducted fatal and torturous experiments on children but no one was ever held to account. Then a documentary was made, but no investigation was conducted by any type of law enforcement agency. Of course, you are already reading that Fauci-Mengele article because you have (weird, IMO) vested interest in demonizing some civil servant because you don't agree with his policy. It's an extension of the behavior the leads to people threatening local school board officials for upholding mask mandates, or local election officials for not making Trump somehow win.

That's not to say that the trials didn't contain some ethical issues - it sounds like they very likely did. Seems like a far cry from Auschwitz though.

Read that side of it too however the treatments weren’t voluntary and one of the guardians was charged with child abuse for discontinuing even after the kids health improved as a result. I think the fallout was limited due to it being the gov’t investigating itself. It also shows Fauci has no issue experimenting on humans without their consent. Not Mengele but the flippant attitude towards his “subjects” (and the deaths) is where the comparison comes from. Is it hyperbolic? Yes. Is just about everything these days? Yes.

[xu82]

Read that side of it too however the treatments weren’t voluntary and one of the guardians was charged with child abuse for discontinuing even after the kids health improved as a result. I think the fallout was limited due to it being the gov’t investigating itself. It also shows Fauci has no issue experimenting on humans without their consent. Not Mengele but the flippant attitude towards his “subjects” (and the deaths) is where the comparison comes from. Is it hyperbolic? Yes. Is just about everything these days? Yes.

Why does it have to be that way? Because the media might do it to rile people up and get ratings, why is it necessary to continue in the style? Why do so many not consider both sides, and abandon their extreme positions they got from their favorite media outlets. That is one reason I’m a bit removed, and even uninformed on some of these details. I don’t want to be poisoned by either side. But I generally know sensational when I see it, and also have a pretty good feel for common sense, IMO.

[Muskie in dayton]

Did any of you actually listen to Lara Logan's comments? I get that making any comparisons to Nazis is bad taste, but I will also say that Fauci will directly or indirectly be responsible for far more human suffering globally than any of us can possibly imagine.

[Strange Brew]

Did any of you actually listen to Lara Logan's comments? I get that making any comparisons to Nazis is bad taste, but I will also say that Fauci will directly or indirectly be responsible for far more human suffering globally than any of us can possibly imagine.

True, mostly. The I am Science (paraphrase) nonsense was a bit much this past weekend.

[Muskie in dayton]

True, mostly. The I am Science (paraphrase) nonsense was a bit much this past weekend.

Yes, and it's not the first time he has said that.

How about this comparison for our leftists: Fauci has the narcissistic personality of Trump, combined with the sinister political decisions of W. Bush and Dick Cheney. He is pure evil.

[bleedXblue]

Anyone following the flow of info coming from South Africa on this new varient?

Very mild symptoms reported......they are gathering more data.......of course.

Meanwhile, the UK and US governments have managed to scare the hell out of people.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes, and it's not the first time he has said that.

How about this comparison for our leftists: Fauci has the narcissistic personality of Trump, combined with the sinister political decisions of W. Bush and Dick Cheney. He is pure evil.

I don't remember him sewing twins together and plunging phenol into their hearts or acting as a traffic cop in front of gas chambers.