Covid-19

[principal]

And yet once again we find ourselves in the dumbest debate, a bunch of people on either side arguing about an off label use of a drug none us knew about 14 days ago. If it could work, great, study it properly and let's find out. The medical people in my life all seem of one mind that the science behind it doesn't make sense as a treatment. I am going to side with them at this point, cause if I knew shit about science I might have done something useful with my life. I also trust them to change their mind if proper data comes out that it could work, cause each and everyone of them is desperate at this point for anything that will provide them any sort of relief.

However, a bunch of non-medical people out there pushing it as a miracle cure is stupidly dangerous, especially when it is a drug that can be picked up at a feed store. Why this was first reported by any news outlet, and why the controversy is now getting so much oxygen by the news is just dangerous. It only further sows disinformation and leads us into these type of stupid debates.

I do find it somewhat ironic that the same people that are anti-vax cause it hasn't been studied enough, have no problem not only jumping on the bandwagon of off label untested remedies like HCQ and Ivermectin, but become the biggest cheerleaders.

Two quick comments, three actually:

1. I am not comfortable abdicating my health to the opinion of others, even experts, especially when there is a lot of information indicating that the experts might be wrong, when the US government has near zero credibility (Republicans and Democrats), and when there are billions (trillions?) of dollars at stake. Ivermectin is not going to make anyone nearly as rich as the vaccines.
2. Links have been posted to studies done in other countries that indicate ivermectin is effective. Why trust one group of professionals and doctors over another? Each person is responsible to investigate and research for themselves and not abdicate to the experts. Technocracy is not good.
3. There is no irony. The vaccines are questioned in regards to their safety while Ivermectin is questioned in regards to its efficacy. Ivermectin has been used safely for many years even if for other reasons. This is not the case with the new vaccines which have not been studied sufficiently to determine what long-term effects they might have. They haven’t even been studied sufficiently determine what short term affects they apparently are having.

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[XU_Lou]

And yet once again we find ourselves in the dumbest debate, a bunch of people on either side arguing about an off label use of a drug none us knew about 14 days ago. If it could work, great, study it properly and let's find out. The medical people in my life all seem of one mind that the science behind it doesn't make sense as a treatment. I am going to side with them at this point, cause if I knew shit about science I might have done something useful with my life. I also trust them to change their mind if proper data comes out that it could work, cause each and everyone of them is desperate at this point for anything that will provide them any sort of relief.

However, a bunch of non-medical people out there pushing it as a miracle cure is stupidly dangerous, especially when it is a drug that can be picked up at a feed store. Why this was first reported by any news outlet, and why the controversy is now getting so much oxygen by the news is just dangerous. It only further sows disinformation and leads us into these type of stupid debates.

I do find it somewhat ironic that the same people that are anti-vax cause it hasn't been studied enough, have no problem not only jumping on the bandwagon of off label untested remedies like HCQ and Ivermectin, but become the biggest cheerleaders.

Actually:

* we have known about the use of this drug for treating covid since at least last fall

* "If it could work, great, study it properly and let's find out" - therein lies the problem and the controversy - why won't the FDA or CDC study it?

* It's not necessarily used by itself, it's used as part of a cocktail.

* Ivermectin has been around since 1975 has been used safely around the world for decades

* There are many countries and doctors around the world that are reporting great results in treating covid

* The CDC website is now recommending giving it to all refugees

* With vaccines efficacy waning, therapeutics might be are best defense against covid.

[XU_Lou]

Two quick comments, three actually:

1. I am not comfortable abdicating my health to the opinion of others, even experts, especially when there is a lot of information indicating that the experts might be wrong, when the US government has near zero credibility (Republicans and Democrats), and when there are billions (trillions?) of dollars at stake. Ivermectin is not going to make anyone nearly as rich as the vaccines.
2. Links have been posted to studies done in other countries that indicate ivermectin is effective. Why trust one group of professionals and doctors over another? Each person is responsible to investigate and research for themselves and not abdicate to the experts. Technocracy is not good.
3. There is no irony. The vaccines are questioned in regards to their safety while Ivermectin is questioned in regards to its efficacy. Ivermectin has been used safely for many years even if for other reasons. This is not the case with the new vaccines which have not been studied sufficiently to determine what long-term effects they might have. They haven’t even been studied sufficiently determine what short term affects they apparently are having.

Principal

"A freaking men"!

[Xville]

"A freaking men"!

Still waiting on my apology, coward. Stop being a little bitch

[XU_Lou]

Still waiting on my apology, coward. Stop being a little bitch

Newsflash for Mr. Masochist - no one cares about your butt-hurt feelings or your personal feud with me. Just an FYI…

BUT, since you continue to feed me the rope, I’ll gladly hang you again.

[XU_Lou]

God save us from this idiot and the idiots who put him in the White House....


---ouchie


I’ll take a I’m sorry, I was wrong statement from you any moment you are ready.

#1) No one cares, or even knows what the hell you’re talking about

#2) Why would I apologize to you – you had nothing to do with this conversation whatsoever

#3) I wonder why you failed to mention the final comment in this conversation. Is it because it doesn’t fit your fake narrative? Or is it because you’re a pathological liar?

Here’s my original post on the politics thread:

You want to know why the Afghanistan pullout was/is such a total cluster - watch this absolutely pathetic video:



God save us from this idiot and the idiots who put him in the White House....

Within 12 hours after MOR pointed out that this was a fake video, I acknowledged my error:

In fairness, this video is altered and faked.

I stand corrected!

[XU_Lou]

You need new material Lou..you have mentioned the same posts from me over and over. I have already readily admitted I was wrong regarding opinions I had about covid back in March of 2020. I'm a man, I admit when I'm wrong , and my perspective has changed over the past year and half due to new information....see I'm not so blind in my bias as someone I know.

Sorry I triggered you so much....you might want to get out from your basement and breathe before you have a heart attack.

Nice attempt at deflection here! Did you learn this tactic from Paul and Bobby? LOL!

As I’m sure you’re well aware, you didn’t actually apologize for the most egregious part of that thread – you lied about your reasoning for posting that misinformation, and have never addressed that. You know, the part about, “the context around those comments were on the lockdowns”.

More lying....

[XU_Lou]

From the link genius:

The misleading article, written by Dr. Peter A. McCullough and posted online on Aug. 23, claims the study found vaccinated individuals carry “251 times the load of COVID-19 viruses in their nostrils compared to the unvaccinated,” and pose a “threat to unvaccinated patients, co-workers.” The article falsely blames the delta-driven surge in new COVID-19 cases on vaccinated people who are “acting as powerful Typhoid Mary-style super-spreaders of the infection.”

Part of the video references the same information he posted in his article. Dr. McCullough has been discredited in multiple instances, but you think we should all watch the entirety of his video to get educated into your doctrine of misinformation.


Again, i will take a I’m sorry I was wrong statement from you at any moment you are ready.

More deflection with this non sequitur and ridiculous assertion here. I’ve never commented on the study, nor do I even care. It has no bearing on most of the points made by McCullough in the videos I’ve posted, or throughout this pandemic. I’m sorry if they’re unable to generate any critical thinking on your part.

Only a lunatic, or someone desperate for a “win” would try to make a connection here.

[Xville]

Newsflash for Mr. Masochist - no one cares about your butt-hurt feelings or your personal feud with me. Just an FYI…

BUT, since you continue to feed me the rope, I’ll gladly hang you again.

Oh boy I hope you post the same nonsense again. You’re a little bitch who can’t admit when he’s wrong..I already know, I already painted the picture. Oh please post your comments from me that were made in March of 2020…or my feelings on teachers with phds…

While you are doing that, please apologize for calling 81 million people idiots, and your fake videos and awful studies that have been discredited while you are at it.

[XU_Lou]

To the smartest guy that has ever attended Xavier (oh, and don’t forget, he’ll definitely tell you every time he gets a chance), I have a question for you: What does persay mean? Is that like an ancient Latin word or something? Hey, I’m sorry, maybe my Webster Dictionary is just a little too “abridged”.

Not speaking to this particular link as misinformation persay just that most of his posts are and when they aren’t they are full of commentary like this one that does not line up. Not sure how you find a bunch of opinionated commentary informative.

I have a major issue with his cowardice, his refusal to apologize, and the way he won’t accept being wrong in instances where it’s clearly true that he is.

Out of curiosity do you have any hard data regarding the PHD statement you made? Oh and just saying.... people with PHDs can still be dumb idiots. Most of my teachers in high school and college were