Covid-19

[Lloyd Braun]

I don’t know the first thing about gene therapy and whether or not this is gene therapy…but if it is not gene therapy, why does the FDA call it gene therapy?

They don’t. There are several categories of mRNA products and from I can tell the FDA considers it a vaccine. There are other products they label gene therapy but the vaccines are not one of them. If you read the link from above you will be able to discern that. It just takes a good half hour to read. There’s also no mentioning of covid vaccine because the link is from 2018.

There are mRNA products that also suppress genes instead of compensating for a bad gene’s production of proteins. That’s where it gets fuzzier as Moderna says one thing and FDA says another.

[principal]

They don’t. There are several categories of mRNA products and from I can tell the FDA considers it a vaccine. There are other products they label gene therapy but the vaccines are not one of them. If you read the link from above you will be able to discern that. It just takes a good half hour to read. There’s also no mentioning of covid vaccine because the link is from 2018.

There are mRNA products that also suppress genes instead of compensating for a bad gene’s production of proteins. That’s where it gets fuzzier as Moderna says one thing and FDA says another.

Got it. That makes sense. Thank you, I will read the link.

Is there a short explanation you can provide that differentiates between an mRNA product that is gene therapy and one that is not?

[Lloyd Braun]

Right, they're having a hard enough time getting everyone to take the vaccine. I'd shy away from that label as well....

Their stance is from at least 2018 (look at the date on the link) so it’s not of any relevance to covid. Not in disagreement that they would likely double down on that now but the basis for their statement is so that their products not get mislabeled/categorized.

[Lloyd Braun]

Got it. That makes sense. Thank you, I will read the link.

Is there a short explanation you can provide that differentiates between an mRNA product that is gene therapy and one that is not?

Yes I’ll try to find it. I still wouldn’t categorize it as gene therapy but I could see an argument. Basically you are suppressing a gene from doing harm. The Moderna argument is that the mRNA does not enter the nucleus and change the genetic makeup of the cell.

[Strange Brew]

We make lesser of two evil choices every day, don’t we?

Calling it gene therapy is misinformation because it isn’t true. Pretty black and white on that one. Does it alter our genes? No. Not gene therapy. It’s not perspective it’s objective, unless you are a conspiracy theorist, in which you can question everything in life as not face value.

Correct, WE make our personal choices everyday.

Not really going to argue with you on what exactly you consider gene therapy. It's not a traditional vaccine (fact) and the FDA classifies it as gene therapy. No conspiracy in that. Regardless, it is helpful and people can make their own choices.

Hope this conversation helps in understanding some people's reservations (not mine but I get it).

[Strange Brew]

Their stance is from at least 2018 (look at the date on the link) so it’s not of any relevance to covid. Not in disagreement that they would likely double down on that now but the basis for their statement is so that their products not get mislabeled/categorized.

Agree, not necessarily mislabeling however more along the lines of controlling the brand.

[Lloyd Braun]

Correct, WE make our personal choices everyday.

Not really going to argue with you on what exactly you consider gene therapy. It's not a traditional vaccine (fact) and the FDA classifies it as gene therapy. No conspiracy in that. Regardless, it is helpful and people can make their own choices.

Hope this conversation helps in understanding some people's reservations (not mine but I get it).

Where do you see this? What is helpful? Not trying to be rude but this is exactly the misinformation to which I am referring. By now the audience has left the building so it’s likely not too impactful but if there is one person reading this that can say “oh wait, MAYBE I should read into this a bit more then I agree, it helps answer questions on some reservations.

[Strange Brew]

Where do you see this? What is helpful? Not trying to be rude but this is exactly the misinformation to which I am referring. By now the audience has left the building so it’s likely not too impactful but if there is one person reading this that can say “oh wait, MAYBE I should read into this a bit more then I agree, it helps answer questions on some reservations.

FDA? From the link provide from Lou and GIMMFD's overview and no updates that have been provided to change the FDA's classification. Listen, not really going to argue with you on this. I've researched this and some call it gene therapy and some call it a vaccine. From what I've read, IMHO it's a form of gene therapy that acts like a vaccine but is not a traditional vaccine. It is still not approved outside of emergency use by the FDA so I understand why there is skepticism. That and how unnecessarily political all things COVID have become.

If YOU believe what has been provided is mis-info please provide links to the FDA's re-classification on Moderna and we can discuss. It happens to fall in with the other research I've done and I hadn't heard of the FDA's view on Moderna until now (thanks Lou).

[XU_Lou]

This article was published in May:

"French virologist and Nobel Prize winner Luc Montagnier called mass vaccination against the coronavirus during the pandemic “unthinkable” and a historical blunder that is “creating the variants” and leading to deaths from the disease.

“It’s an enormous mistake, isn’t it? A scientific error as well as a medical error. It is an unacceptable mistake,” Montagnier said in an interview translated and published by the RAIR Foundation USA yesterday. “The history books will show that, because it is the vaccination that is creating the variants.”

Many epidemiologists know it and are “silent” about the problem known as “antibody-dependent enhancement,” Montagnier said.

“It is the antibodies produced by the virus that enable an infection to become stronger,” he said in an interview with Pierre Barnérias of Hold-Up Media earlier this month.

While variants of viruses can occur naturally, Montagnier said that vaccination is driving the process. “What does the virus do? Does it die or find another solution?”

“It is clear that the new variants are created by antibody-mediated selection due to the vaccination.” "

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/no...g-the-variants

There's growing debate that he just might be right.

[Lloyd Braun]

FDA? From the link provide from Lou and GIMMFD's overview and no updates that have been provided to change the FDA's classification. Listen, not really going to argue with you on this. I've researched this and some call it gene therapy and some call it a vaccine. From what I've read, IMHO it's a form of gene therapy that acts like a vaccine but is not a traditional vaccine. It is still not approved outside of emergency use by the FDA so I understand why there is skepticism. That and how unnecessarily political all things COVID have become.

If YOU believe what has been provided is mis-info please provide links to the FDA's re-classification on Moderna and we can discuss. It happens to fall in with the other research I've done and I hadn't heard of the FDA's view on Moderna until now (thanks Lou).

Sure. It currently is not listed under approved gene therapy products.

There still may be mRNA products that could blur the lines on gene therapy, such as those that suppress a defective gene (some cancer cells). Again I wouldn’t consider them gene therapy since they don’t enter the nucleus and alter current genes, however they do alter the current gene’s ability to malfunction.

The mRNA vaccine enters cytoplasm with about 200,00 other mRNA pieces that ask the cell to carry out some sort function. When it spits out a protein that our body creates an immune response that is a different category of medicine. Since these vaccines didn’t exist for FDA approval at the time of the link provided there is no need to reclassify something that has not been classified. The technology had a classification perhaps in a broad sense, which is not a specific classification.