Covid-19

[bobbiemcgee]

1 review vs 14, try to keep up. read 'em.

Ohio paid 2.6 million for HCQ tablets they just donated two weeks ago. Nobody wanted them. i'm sure you can get some free for the kids.

[Strange Brew]

1 review vs 14, try to keep up. read 'em.

Ohio paid 2.6 million for HCQ tablets they just donated two weeks ago. Nobody wanted them. i'm sure you can get some free for the kids.

Ah yes, peer reviews. A way to give a failed hypothesis the shielding veil of consensus.

Don’t need them and neither do most thanks to the availability of Trump’s vaccines. May have been useful a year ago.

[bobbiemcgee]

Don't need 'em? Kinda blows up the your previous arguments. If they didn't work and nobody wanted them, why did we waste millions of taxpayer dollars on them. Another trump fiasco.

[Strange Brew]

Don't need 'em? Kinda blows up the your previous arguments. If they didn't work and nobody wanted them, why did we waste millions of taxpayer dollars on them. Another trump fiasco.

My arguments were about personal choice vs mandates. The efficacy on previously infected individuals. The vaccines are recommended but not ineffective. Cloth masks are neither.

[bobbiemcgee]

yeah, ok

[Muskie in dayton]

1 review vs 14, try to keep up. read 'em.

Ohio paid 2.6 million for HCQ tablets they just donated two weeks ago. Nobody wanted them. i'm sure you can get some free for the kids.

Huh, nobody wanted them. Weird that is the case after you TDS freaks made it your sole purpose of being to poo-poo the drug that could have saved lives.

Maybe Fauci should have been honest about it’s effectiveness like he was in his February 2020 email, where he recommended HCQ. Yes. Accountability.

[Lloyd Braun]

Not to get caught up too much in pissing matches but to be fair, I was optimistic on HCQ early on too as documented in this thread. It was based on the early European study’s data that showed possible benefit. As the only study available it was exciting to find something that could help. There are several more recent studies that show no benefit or possible benefit. It is most likely not a game changer or the evidence would be robust by now, and it is not. Further it’s not like we are searching for game changers at this time in the treatment phase of things. Monoclonal antibody treatments are game changers in the outpatient treatment phase and are far more effective than any other medication or antiviral will be. 70% reduction in hospitalizations in high risk patients! There are other promising outpatient treatments going through clinical trials but hopefully we won’t need them for awhile if at all ever.

So to say Fauci is not accountable because he recommended HCQ in February of 2020 (!!) and changed his tune as better treatments come out is a bit harsh. Treatments evolve as does knowledge of this whole thing.

[xu82]

Not to get caught up too much in pissing matches but to be fair, I was optimistic on HCQ early on too as documented in this thread. It was based on the early European study’s data that showed possible benefit. As the only study available it was exciting to find something that could help. There are several more recent studies that show no benefit or possible benefit. It is most likely not a game changer or the evidence would be robust by now, and it is not. Further it’s not like we are searching for game changers at this time in the treatment phase of things. Monoclonal antibody treatments are game changers in the outpatient treatment phase and are far more effective than any other medication or antiviral will be. 70% reduction in hospitalizations in high risk patients! There are other promising outpatient treatments going through clinical trials but hopefully we won’t need them for awhile if at all ever.

So to say Fauci is not accountable because he recommended HCQ in February of 2020 (!!) and changed his tune as better treatments come out is a bit harsh. Treatments evolve as does knowledge of this whole thing.

Absolutely! You learn, you adapt.

But some can’t help themselves if it helps support their narrative. They care too much about proving their point and being “right’ than finding the truth.

[Strange Brew]

Absolutely! You learn, you adapt.

But some can’t help themselves if it helps support their narrative. They care too much about proving their point and being “right’ than finding the truth.

Some also like to smugly appear to be above it all....

[xu82]

Some also like to smugly appear to be above it all....

Nope, I just never pretended to have all the answers. The fact is, the info changes, the plan changes. I know I don’t know! I’m trying to play it down the middle until we actually know enough to have firm positions. I don’t have a narrative.