Covid-19

[Muskie in dayton]

Not to toot my own horn, but it looks like I was correct. Even Dr. Fauci agrees with me with his comment yesterday: "The good news about all of this is that we are seeing a plateau in the number of cases,"

No, it wasn't the lockdowns, it wasn't the masks, and it isn't the vaccines. It's natural herd immunity. By the end of the weekend roughly 60% of the population will have contracted Covid. Most studies report that herd immunity is achieved when 60-70% of the population is infected. In a few weeks this will be on the wane.

Trust the science, not the hysteria....

Could be, but more likely it’s seasonality. I’d say we’ll find out, but with the vaccine rolling out, hopefully we won’t!

[noteggs]

Leaving it to the states is fine but it really seems like there is a lot of variability state to state. In Ohio you can only get the vaccine if you’re above 80 or have other serious health issues. Those people may not be the most mobile either. In other states it seems like anyone over 65 can get it. Hmmm

I really like the individual states doing their own thing because it gives us a good blueprint on what went well. The next people in line for the vaccine in Ohio and Kentucky is a real head scratcher for me as well. Vaccinate the teachers next? Cough, cough union pressure.

To your comment more than 80% of the deaths come from people are over 65. Thought we were supposed to follow the science. Of course this is one of the demands to get the schools open.

Biggest question I have - how is this going to actually protect the students? Yes, you’ll have roughly 4 people per classroom who probably will not spread the virus which is a good thing.

This still doesn’t stamp out kid to kid transmission. Students probably account for roughly 85% of the people in the schools. So, this doesn’t eliminate the children bringing the virus back to Grandma. Here’s a novel idea Governor DeWine, why don’t we just vaccinate Grandma and open up the schools? Oh well, at least my daughter is next in line.

[MADXSTER]

Question: Who should be last in line to receive the vaccine?

Someone has to be last right. Someone mentioned to me that if it is safe enough for athletes to play sports(college and pro) since they have a system already set up for them with excessive testing and monitoring etc. and they happen to be in the most positive age group to combat the virus then they should be last on the list. What do you say?

[Lloyd Braun]

noteggs- Agree with you, was more or less complaining about Ohio’s slow response. Two weeks feels like a lifetime... I think some states are doing a better job than others for sure. Ohio just seems very slow to me when compared to neighboring states and what colleagues are saying. Perhaps we will know more when the first wave gets 2nd dose. If states that are more liberal in their distribution (Florida, California, etc) don’t have enough for a second dose then that would be a problem.

Madxster- children are last. We are several months away (maybe even over a year?) from young children in the population receiving this. Which is ok I think.

[D-West & PO-Z]

noteggs- Agree with you, was more or less complaining about Ohio’s slow response. Two weeks feels like a lifetime... I think some states are doing a better job than others for sure. Ohio just seems very slow to me when compared to neighboring states and what colleagues are saying. Perhaps we will know more when the first wave gets 2nd dose. If states that are more liberal in their distribution (Florida, California, etc) don’t have enough for a second dose then that would be a problem.

Madxster- children are last. We are several months away (maybe even over a year?) from young children in the population receiving this. Which is ok I think.

"Fuck them kids."




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[xu82]

I really like the individual states doing their own thing because it gives us a good blueprint on what went well. The next people in line for the vaccine in Ohio and Kentucky is a real head scratcher for me as well. Vaccinate the teachers next? Cough, cough union pressure.

To your comment more than 80% of the deaths come from people are over 65. Thought we were supposed to follow the science. Of course this is one of the demands to get the schools open.

Biggest question I have - how is this going to actually protect the students? Yes, you’ll have roughly 4 people per classroom who probably will not spread the virus which is a good thing.

This still doesn’t stamp out kid to kid transmission. Students probably account for roughly 85% of the people in the schools. So, this doesn’t eliminate the children bringing the virus back to Grandma. Here’s a novel idea Governor DeWine, why don’t we just vaccinate Grandma and open up the schools? Oh well, at least my daughter is next in line.

I’m not arguing one way or the other beyond saying all that want the vaccination need to have it available ASAP.

We had dinner with some old friends tonight. She used to be a teacher in a school for the gifted (mostly affluent), but after retiring went back to work at a private school catering to underprivileged kids (and some are indeed gifted as well). She’s in the zip code with the highest positive rates in the area with these kids, and she’s just sure she’s going to get a positive test. She’s in her 60’s, and she cares for her mother with Alzheimer’s. She is VERY upset she cannot get the vaccination. It’s not just union pressure, she is upset and concerned. She is practically a volunteer at this place.

This is tricky stuff. My sister, her husband and a niece are/were all teachers. I don’t know where they are on the list, but I’d put them a little higher than some others might, depending upon circumstances. Each case is different, so it’s hard to make firm guidelines. Again, I have no great answers.

[Muskie in dayton]

Question: Who should be last in line to receive the vaccine?

Someone has to be last right. Someone mentioned to me that if it is safe enough for athletes to play sports(college and pro) since they have a system already set up for them with excessive testing and monitoring etc. and they happen to be in the most positive age group to combat the virus then they should be last on the list. What do you say?

Kids, absolutely (unless of course they have comorbidities). They rarely get sick, and rarely spread it if they do, and the death rate is essentially zero.

Right in front of them in the line is anyone under 40 who doesn’t need it for job or comorbidities.

[noteggs]

I’m not arguing one way or the other beyond saying all that want the vaccination need to have it available ASAP.

We had dinner with some old friends tonight. She used to be a teacher in a school for the gifted (mostly affluent), but after retiring went back to work at a private school catering to underprivileged kids (and some are indeed gifted as well). She’s in the zip code with the highest positive rates in the area with these kids, and she’s just sure she’s going to get a positive test. She’s in her 60’s, and she cares for her mother with Alzheimer’s. She is VERY upset she cannot get the vaccination. It’s not just union pressure, she is upset and concerned. She is practically a volunteer at this place.

This is tricky stuff. My sister, her husband and a niece are/were all teachers. I don’t know where they are on the list, but I’d put them a little higher than some others might, depending upon circumstances. Each case is different, so it’s hard to make firm guidelines. Again, I have no great answers.

I completely agree we should give the vaccine to those who want it and fill badly for those who cannot. It flat out sucks. Unfortunately when I heard about rollouts, I just knew this was going to be the next political football.

As stated earlier, we should be making concrete scientific reasons on what we know until the vaccine is readily available without pressure and emotional appeals. I completely can’t blame the unions because that is there job to protect the teachers. However IMHO, for them to say we can “now” open schools in a safe manner is a bit disingenuous. Most people would just see this as making sense without digging further.

I know you said you weren’t arguing the fact, but just wanted to clarify my point of view. Side note, sounds like your family is made up a lot like mine, bunch of teachers and healthcare providers. Sure we had a few who strayed from the path lol.

[noteggs]

noteggs- Agree with you, was more or less complaining about Ohio’s slow response. Two weeks feels like a lifetime... I think some states are doing a better job than others for sure. Ohio just seems very slow to me when compared to neighboring states and what colleagues are saying. Perhaps we will know more when the first wave gets 2nd dose. If states that are more liberal in their distribution (Florida, California, etc) don’t have enough for a second dose then that would be a problem.

Madxster- children are last. We are several months away (maybe even over a year?) from young children in the population receiving this. Which is ok I think.

Gotcha you. That has been very frustrating for Ohio. Just read in paper that SpeciltyRx just let 890 doses get wasted. Realize this isn’t unique in Ohio, but this stuff must get fixed!

[bobbiemcgee]

Gotcha you. That has been very frustrating for Ohio. Just read in paper that SpeciltyRx just let 890 doses get wasted. Realize this isn’t unique in Ohio, but this stuff must get fixed!

Somebody should go to jail for wasting doses. Geesus, take them over to the nearest nursing home. Common frickin' sense. Use the cellphone alert system to over 70's...1st come 1st served until we run out!!