Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

Going to roll into tomorrow at least it seems.

[GoMuskies]

Can't believe this is happening again.

[Lloyd Braun]

Trump is now a solid favorite to retain the White House. Wow.

The live betting odds are crazy... it’s flipped again

[boozehound]

Can't believe this is happening again.

You were really in it for the long haul, last night. I tapped out around 11:00 figure to (maybe) wake up and find out who won.

Even if they manage to win the Presidency (which seems maybe a bit better than a coin flip at this point - AZ, NV, WI, and MI seem to be the most likely states) the Democrats have a major problem. They under-performed in House races. Under-performed expectations in the Senate. Under-performed expectations for the Presidential race.

The Democrats probably aren't going to get an easier shot than they got this year for quite some time. We had 4 years of Trump's ridiculous antics plus a Pandemic and it still didn't result in a clear win (if they win at all) in the Presidential election.

The first thing they should do is dump Pelosi as Speaker of the House - that should have been done a long time ago. The next thing they need to is develop a platform that appeals to

Then they need to figure out a platform that appeals to a wider swath of Americans. America is a representative democracy, not a pure democracy. Rural America will always carry outsized influence on a per-capita basis and the Democrats are getting absolutely slaughtered. I suppose it's possible to go forward without rural voters if they can capture enough of a majority in Midwestern Cities, but that doesn't really appear to be working for them. It also likely will be tough to translate to Senate wins.

They need to figure out how to handle their sizable lunatic fringe - It doesn't matter if they expand the woke vote in California, Washington, and Oregon, or Chicago, NYC, etc. for that matter. The reality is that most of America find those people insufferable - so while they help run up the vote count, they alienate others in the rest of the Country. *Note: I actually thought that Biden did a pretty good job of not pandering to the far left - it looks like it may not be enough though.

Regardless of the outcome I'd like to hope we could go forward as a Country that is more united than we have been over the past 4 years, but I see almost no chance of that happening.

[Xville]

And of course the election mirrors the rest of this year----shitty....where we probably wont even have a victor for several weeks, and even if we do, there are going to probably be several recounts and lawyers...yay

[xubrew]

Trump is now a solid favorite to retain the White House. Wow.

Looks that way. And even if he doesn't, he's not going anywhere. Unless the GOP kicks him out, he's pretty well set up to be the frontrunner in 2024. It needed to pretty much be a landslide for him to go away, which it clearly wasn't.

[Xville]

Looks that way. And even if he doesn't, he's not going anywhere. Unless the GOP kicks him out, he's pretty well set up to be the frontrunner in 2024. It needed to pretty much be a landslide for him to go away, which it clearly wasn't.

The way it looks now, biden is going to win...the remaining votes that need to be counted are primarily the mail-in which is a majority of biden voters. It's going to be close, but biden has it. Regardless, I just hope that four years from now, we have two options to be excited about, and not two old dementia patients.

[boozehound]

Looks that way. And even if he doesn't, he's not going anywhere. Unless the GOP kicks him out, he's pretty well set up to be the frontrunner in 2024. It needed to pretty much be a landslide for him to go away, which it clearly wasn't.

I think the odds have flipped overnight, but I'm not sure I believe it.

I also don't know if I really see a 80 year old Donald Trump running for reelection in 2024, although I agree that I don't think he will go away. I could see Don Jr or Ivanka trying to run in 2024, but I don't think either of them will capture the energy that Trump did. I think it's more likely we see more Nationalist/Populist Republican candidates though, which I was hoping to avoid.

The worst case scenario in my mind would be if we move any closer to a system of government in which we have Populist Nationalist right wingers running against Socialist / Communist left wingers.

[GoMuskies]

I agree with XVille that the way this is going down sucks. It's going to drag out for way, way too long. But I think the result is kind of perfect. MOST of us here have been pretty clear that we don't have a whole lot of good things to say about either "team". And it looks like we're going to get an election result that reflects that both sides suck and no one gets any sort of mandate. Generally, I like it when government can't do/change much. Because when they try to do very much, they usually fuck it up.

[GoMuskies]

From 2016 to 2020, Trump improved with every demographic except....white men. Not sure if this will hold, but it's high time that no demographic was safe for either party. Perhaps if the black vote, for example, is up for grabs, politicians will actually have to DO something to earn that community's vote instead of just prattling on about critical race theory bullshit.