Covid-19

[boozehound]

The only stat of false positives I have seen is 3%. Not sure if that is accurate. I think false negatives is higher and a bigger issue than false positives.

Sometimes I have read people getting confused and they end up talking about the unreliability of the antibody testing. That testing is really unreliable from what I understand.

My example was very specifically the actual COVID test, not the antibody test. It seems surprising to me that a group of that many people, including people over 70 and 2 with Lupus would all be positive but asymptomatic. Then again this is a strange virus. I'm sure we will learn more as time goes on, but right now the randomness of it seems shocking.

[Lloyd Braun]

The 1900 number came from the NPR article, or did you not bother to read it? Not a lie. And it was underutilized. Not from Trump's statement but from those on the ground- including this from the NPR article with a quote from "Dario Gonzales, an emergency Doctor with the NYC Fire Department who helped lead the medical response at the temporary hospital at the Javitts Center in Manhattan- "It was very disappointing, Gonzalez said. Everybody was here, ready to work, ready to get patients in....(but) Gonzalez said it could have handled a lot more". "We all could have done a better job, And we've really got to get it together next time". See. Lloyd. This was an attempted NPR slam on the Feds as to how they supposedly overspent, but it backfires on them when you look at how local NY State and City officials handled it. Not my lie. Not Trump's lie, but a statement from every media outlet- probably from trying to "own the Cons" by showing how empty those emergency hospitals were- but it backfired. And, by the way, The article you link to above I had never seen it until now, and never quoted anything here or anywhere else- including on the politics thread from it. You are sinking into delusion my friend in your continued desperate attempt to slam me and prove your unprovable point. Now you are assuming, and we all know what that means. I could say you are lying again to "get" me, but I'll be kind.

And, errrr, I wouldn't say that a 1900 bed facility was "squeezed" when it only had a grand total of 1100 patients over a just over one month period when large hospitals usually can handle almost 3 times that number. Totally poor utilization by NY- and Dr. Gonzalez attests to that. Meanwhile Cuomo is taking victory laps over the dead bodies of 6000 Nursing Home patients that died from the orders to "Send them back' from hospitals into the Homes.

Congrats on your blatant partisanship! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

“Maximum beds under contract” is not the same as number of beds. Again, reading comprehension and context are in fact important. You continue to compare this pop up temporary COVID hospital run by the military to regular hospitals. Just answer this question since you have danced around it. Is 1100 COVID patients in 4 weeks considered “barely used” in your opinion?

Edit: I agree it was underutilized because I hold the opinion (and there is a post from 4 months ago on this I had) that we should have converted all convention centers to COVID hospitals and kept all hospitals operating as they were with strict COVID testing in place.

[Masterofreality]

“Maximum beds under contract” is not the same as number of beds. Again, reading comprehension and context are in fact important. You continue to compare this pop up temporary COVID hospital run by the military to regular hospitals. Just answer this question since you have danced around it. Is 1100 COVID patients in 4 weeks considered “barely used” in your opinion?

Edit: I agree it was underutilized because I hold the opinion (and there is a post from 4 months ago on this I had) that we should have converted all convention centers to COVID hospitals and kept all hospitals operating as they were with strict COVID testing in place.

Yeah. 1100 patients over 30 plus days is “barely utilized” based upon large hospital average that I cited from an independent source on an earlier post. Also, given that some NY hospitals were “reportedly” being overrun by “some” media- again trying to set a narrative that there was a lack of response from the Feds- indicates that the Local New York City and State officials f-ed up. And the quote was from a NEW YORK Doctor, not someone from the military. Reading comprehension, huh?

FINALLY!! The 1900 bed number comes from the NPR summary report! They used it, said the hospital was underutilized! WTF else can I say??

But always another accusation in the face of actual published reports that I cite- AND NOT FROM THE NEW YORK POST OR FOX NEWS!!!

[Lloyd Braun]

Yeah. 1100 patients over 30 plus days is “barely utilized” based upon large hospital average that I cited from an independent source on an earlier post.

So you think comparing a pop up COVID hospital to a large community hospital is a fair and equal comparison? It’s apples to oranges, amigo. 1100 patients is a lot of people to care for and apparently you don’t see that. How many COVID patients do you think the Cleveland Clinic has had hospitalized? I bet it’s way less than 1100 to put it in perspective.

FINALLY!! The 1900 bed number comes from the NPR summary report! They used it, said the hospital was underutilized! WTF else can I say??

But always another accusation in the face of actual published reports that I cite- AND NOT FROM THE NEW YORK POST OR FOX NEWS!!!

1900 is the contracted number available and not the actual number of beds. It says it right there in the NPR article. They expanded beds based on how many patients were seen. The convention center actually said they could have up to 4000 beds if necessary. So again, you are not reading the number in context.

[Masterofreality]

So you think comparing a pop up COVID hospital to a large community hospital is a fair and equal comparison? It’s apples to oranges, amigo. 1100 patients is a lot of people to care for and apparently you don’t see that. How many COVID patients do you think the Cleveland Clinic has had hospitalized? I bet it’s way less than 1100 to put it

1900 is the contracted number available and not the actual number of beds. It says it right there in the NPR article. They expanded beds based on how many patients were seen. The convention center actually said they could have up to 4000 beds if necessary. So again, you are not reading the number in context.

No you are not seeing the real number and issue here! Who cares? Contracted or no? 1900 was the published number by NPR. Whatever. This from a 5/2/20 Article in Salon.com (no friend of the Right or Trump). Underutilized. No matter what number you use was it was underutilized.

“The Javits Center, which was initially envisioned as a 2,500-bed field hospital for non-COVID patients, converted to coronavirus-only hospital shortly after going operational. Still, the highest number of patients treated at the convention center at one time topped out at close to 500”
“Topped our at 500.” Only 1100 total in over 30 days. US Ship Comfort underutilized too. Other N.Y. Hospitals overrun. = Poor local management, not bad Federal assistance.

You can’t win Lloyd.

https://www.salon.com/2020/05/02/hos...ients_partner/

[Lloyd Braun]

I never said it wasn’t good federal assistance, I said Trump lied. If you think the Governor has control over who goes to what hospital I think you are mistaken. And again, my original point was that it was not “barely used” as you and Trump state.

Edit: I agree with your last post, I said it was underutilized but that wasn’t your initial statement.

[Lloyd Braun]

The Feds sent hospital ships and outfitted the Javitts Center for treatments, yet they were barely used. .

This is original quote from you. You stated “barely used” which is very different than “under utilized”.

[Masterofreality]

This is original quote from you. You stated “barely used” which is very different than “under utilized”.

Barely used vs Underutilized. Hahahahahahaha. Now he’s using Semantics to try to “own”. The last gasp of the defeated.
.This isn’t a court of law. Terminology is not relevant here. The damn place was wasted and mostly left empty by incompetence at the New York State level while other places were in crisis mode. This is not on the Feds, who you have constantly called out. My point was clearly made and it stands. You have nothing.

You can’t win Lloyd

[Lloyd Braun]

Barely used vs Underutilized. Hahahahahahaha. Now he’s using Semantics to try to “own”. The last gasp of the defeated.
.This isn’t a court of law. Terminology is not relevant here. The damn place was wasted and mostly left empty by incompetence at the New York State level while other places were in crisis mode. This is not on the Feds, who you have constantly called out. My point was clearly made and it stands. You have nothing.

You can’t win Lloyd

I have constantly called out the Feds? Where? You are completely delusional. “ The damn place was wasted and mostly left empty by incompetence”... I’m sorry were you there? Have you ever seen 500 people in a makeshift hospital at once? Unbelievable.

[Masterofreality]

Referring to Post 2517.
You can always tell when the game is over when the opposition starts invoking the Bill Clinton “Depends what the meaning of “is” is semantical defense. Given Lloyd’s now evident political leanings Clinton is an appropriate role model.
And this game is over. Thanks for playing Lloyd. Now just go ahead and pontificate on the strict medical side of things. The political and statistical side, given your seeming fondness for faulty model data, doesn’t wear well on you.
“It’s over Johnny. It’s over.”