Covid-19

[Juice]

Coronavirus patients without symptoms aren’t driving the spread of the virus, World Health Organization officials said Monday, casting doubt on concerns by some researchers that the disease could be difficult to contain due to asymptomatic infections.

“From the data we have, it still seems to be rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual,” Dr. Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit, said at a news briefing from the United Nations agency’s Geneva headquarters. “It’s very rare.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...twitter%7Cmain

I was told I was killing someone's grandma even though I might be asymptomatic.

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...twitter%7Cmain

I was told I was killing someone's grandma even though I might be asymptomatic.

Wow, the great news is piling up. With this being the case it makes managing spread simple - just stay home if you’re sick.

[Masterofreality]

Do you have a link for this? It would be very interesting as we have not seen the flu since the end of March. So 3 weeks of flu deaths would have to exceed 2200 or whatever we are at now.

Here: WMFD.com

https://www.wmfd.com/article/-are-se...ointment-/4047

[Lloyd Braun]

Here: WMFD.com

https://www.wmfd.com/article/-are-se...ointment-/4047

Ok thanks... I think you need to read it again. “more deaths from flu in the 12 weeks since the Ohio lockdown began” (your words) is not what this blog post says. “Ohio is entering the 12th week of Coronavirus restrictions. The Ohio Department of Health traced the first case of COVID-19 to January 2. Over the 160 days since the virus has been recorded in Ohio, the Ohio Department of Health claims 2,155 Coronavirus deaths have occurred. Non-COVID deaths in Ohio in 2020 total 44,735, influenza accounting for 2,238 of those deaths.”

Actual flu deaths are nearly impossible to know as they are estimated. But the CDC tracks/estimates it as “Flu/Pneumonia” deaths which makes it even more complicated. Average number of “Flu/Pneumonia” deaths annually in Ohio is somewhere between 2000-2500. It’s all on the CDC website. When it’s all said and done COVID deaths will pile up way higher than flu deaths and it won’t be close. Does that even matter now? No, nobody that is reasonable is clamoring for more restrictions on the general public. What really makes this particular topic difficult is that you have sensationalism from both parameters that seem believable. In the instance of this blog article, data is molded to make this equivalent to the flu solely based on deaths. And even then the deaths are lumped in with pneumonia deaths, but we aren’t told that while reading the article because there are zero sources linked. (Red flag)
You can easily find many stories from the other side of the table showing how terrible the disease is and in many ways not painting an accurate picture of who this truly affects. Fake news everywhere, which is quite sad.

[Lloyd Braun]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/08/asym...twitter%7Cmain

I was told I was killing someone's grandma even though I might be asymptomatic.

It still says that. Just that it doesn’t happen as often as those that are symptomatic. The source of this quote clarifies this statement on twitter some.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mvankerkhove

“additional points: In these data, it is impt to breakdown truly asymptomatic vs pre-symptomatic vs mildly symptomatic also to note that the % reported or estimated to be "asymptomatic" is not the same as the % that are asymptomatic that actually transmit.”

Yes,‘it’s fairly obvious the “main driver” in disease transmission is sick people. But to give a subjective “rare”’classification may be misinterpreting data. There is plenty of data to suggest a symptomatic and presymptomatic transmission occurs.

[Lloyd Braun]

Wow, the great news is piling up. With this being the case it makes managing spread simple - just stay home if you’re sick.

This will likely eradicate the illness. Getting people to stay home when sick is not easy at all. Take out the choice of make money and potentially spread vs
stay home and not get paid and we may have serious progress without closing businesses, schools, etc.

[Lloyd Braun]

WHO walks back comments on asymptomatic coronavirus spread, says much is still unknown

“ Studies show that about 16% of the population may be asymptomatic, she said. Some models developed by other scientists suggest as much as 40% of global transmission may be due to asymptomatic individuals, she said, clarifying her comments.

“Some estimates of around 40% of transmission may be due to asymptomatic, but those are from models, so I didn’t include that in my answer yesterday, but wanted to make sure that I covered that here,” Kerkhove said.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/09/who-...l-unknown.html

As usual with this, clarification further muddies the waters.

[Lamont Sanford]

Is there really any debate as to why Trump is right to want to pull back on funding of the WHO?!? Buncha buffoons.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fauci - "worst nightmare"

[Lamont Sanford]

Just read that Dr. Amy Acton is stepping down as Director of Health in Ohio. Hip hip hooray!

However, Dewine talked her into staying on as a Chief Health advisor to him.