Politics Thread

[STL_XUfan]

My brother is a police officer. Worked the streets for 13 years. He's a sergeant and working in internal affairs now. He's been on the hostage negotiation team. He has a 4 year degree in criminology and a master's degree.

You wouldn't believe the things he's seen and dealt with, the stress, etc. Walking into a home and finding someone's son who blew their own head off with a shotgun, or hung themselves in a closet. Getting called to a house where there's babies crawling on the floor covered in dog shit with drugs and needles everywhere, sometimes not even anyone home with them. He's been shot at. He's been in struggles with dudes so high nothing will stop them.

Police officers see the absolute worst of the human race on a daily basis, especially if you work in big city. They're put in situations where they might not make it home to their families.

There's bad cops for sure.

But all these libs who now want to defund police departments...yeah, let's see how that works out.

I was listening to Slate's political podcast this morning and they were discussing Trump's threat of the insurrection act, and kinda stumbled into an interesting concept. Should the default position of states dealing with protests against the police be to immediately bring in the national guard to handle the protests? It would cut down on the tension as you wouldn't have the protestors face to face with those they are protesting. Further, the police wouldn't have to try to be neutral while feeling insulted by the protestors.

Anecdotally (meaning I didn't look it up at all and could be very wrong), you do not seem to see as many issues between guard member and the protestors.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The two Buffalo police officers who pushed the 75 year old man to the ground were charged with assault in the second degree today.

“Erie County District Attorney John Flynn said in a press conference that the two officers “crossed the line” and “violated the law.” “

“Flynn added that the officers could have arrested Gugino if he was committing a crime. “You arrest him. You don’t take a baton and shove him, along with the officer next to him... You properly arrest him, if he was committing a crime.”“

[Muskie in dayton]

Shame you see it that way but not surprising give your history of posts.

I agree, I do have a history of being objective, pragmatic, and apartisan.

I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that statement, but if you think I blindly support police, go look at my posts earlier in this thread where I agree fully that the cops were wrong - criminally wrong - in the George Frazier murder. Want more? Go back and look at my posts in the Sam DuBose murder.

I am also fair, and I'm unwilling to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

[Muskie in dayton]

The cops jobs get tougher and they will decide not to do them is that what you are suggesting?

No. I'm saying that cops will be (further) prevented by city administrations from policing against crimes. When policing activity declines, crime increases.

[Muskie in dayton]

The constitution and citizen’s rights will always be more important to me than police officer’s feelings.

They are way more important to me too. But the constitution doesn't grant the freedom to defy police orders.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No. I'm saying that cops will be (further) prevented by city administrations from policing against crimes. When policing activity declines, crime increases.

You have statistics to back that statement up? I’ve looked around to see what I could find. Here’s one article that found the opposite to be true.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...outputType=amp

[D-West & PO-Z]

They are way more important to me too. But the constitution doesn't grant the freedom to defy police orders.

Do you think with the news that the two officers, who pushed the 75 year old man over, have been charged with assault in the second degree that maybe they were just a tad too aggressive? Not only did they break police policy but also the law.

And do you also think that maybe “taking their word” for it, which you suggested earlier, is probably not a good way of doing it since they said the man tripped in their report? Luckily the incident was caught on video and shared.

[XU 87]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...mbush-71117248

A Cincinnati cop was shot at last week. A Vegas cop got killed last week.

[bjf123]

Do you think with the news that the two officers, who pushed the 75 year old man over, have been charged with assault in the second degree that maybe they were just a tad too aggressive? Not only did they break police policy but also the law.

And do you also think that maybe “taking their word” for it, which you suggested earlier, is probably not a good way of doing it since they said the man tripped in their report? Luckily the incident was caught on video and shared.

None of us know what was said between the 75 year old and the police officers. Regardless, he didn’t deserve to end up in the hospital. Personal opinion here, but I don’t think they intended to knock him down and injure him. I think they intended to push him out of the way and that he’d just back up a bit, but not fall on his back and hit his head. That he fell and hit his head is back enough. Where the one who shoved him really screwed up is by not stopping to immediately come to his aid. Instead, he kept walking. You can see another officer stop and get on his radio, but no one actually bent down to the guy on the ground. That’s inexcusable.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...mbush-71117248

A Cincinnati cop was shot at last week. A Vegas cop got killed last week.

That’s terrible. Senseless loss of life. Glad they have the suspect in custody and charged with murder. “Good news” (nothing good about any of it) is that people who kill cops are always brought to justice.