Covid-19

[drudy23]

Everyday, there are literally multiple articles that contradict each other, or contradict common conceptions that have been communicated. I have a level of skepticism in pretty much all of this.

[Muskie in dayton]

Everyday, there are literally multiple articles that contradict each other, or contradict common conceptions that have been communicated. I have a level of skepticism in pretty much all of this.

Yeah, you have sensationalism, fear porn and political bias from the MSM/left. That is counteracted by conspiracies, poo-pooing it, and another political bias from the right. It’s the pendulum effect in full display. Whatever you read, keep in mind the “slant”, and invest some time looking at the data, trends, and correlations. They reveal a lot more than words.

As to contradicting common conceptions, keep in mind that our understanding of this is evolving rapidly, so that is to be expected. It’s a good thing!

[boozehound]

Yeah, you have sensationalism, fear porn and political bias from the MSM/left. That is counteracted by conspiracies, poo-pooing it, and another political bias from the right. It’s the pendulum effect in full display. Whatever you read, keep in mind the “slant”, and invest some time looking at the data, trends, and correlations. They reveal a lot more than words.

As to contradicting common conceptions, keep in mind that our understanding of this is evolving rapidly, so that is to be expected. It’s a good thing!

Good points. I think this is an example of where our hyper-partisan political system is leading us. This think almost immediately turned from a public health issue into a political issue with both sides repeatedly doubling down on their bullshit. If you are on the left this is the end of days, one life lost is too many, and we should all stay home until we have a 100% effective vaccine. If you are on the right the entire thing is 100% fake and concocted to take away their rights (as if the government wants to crash the economy). The reality, in my opinion, is that this is a complex public health issue that has not been managed particularly well by anybody.

I also think that a more effective and coordinated Federal response would have helped. For example: The Federal Government should have quickly put a plan in place to backstop the states (particularly hot zones) and move Ventilators and PPE around the country as needed to combat flare-ups and stop the feeding frenzy for supplies and hospital space.

[chico]

Maybe it's just an East coast bias?

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/map-o...-covid-deaths/

[xavierj]

[QUOTE=boozehound;676305]Good points. I think this is an example of where our hyper-partisan political system is leading us. This think almost immediately turned from a public health issue into a political issue with both sides repeatedly doubling down on their bullshit. If you are on the left this is the end of days, one life lost is too many, and we should all stay home until we have a 100% effective vaccine. If you are on the right the entire thing is 100% fake and concocted to take away their rights (as if the government wants to crash the economy). The reality, in my opinion, is that this is a complex public health issue that has not been managed particularly well by anybody.

I also think that a more effective and coordinated Federal response would have helped. For example: The Federal Government should have quickly put a plan in place to backstop the states (particularly hot zones) and move Ventilators and PPE around the country as needed to combat flare-ups and stop the feeding frenzy for supplies and hospital space.[/

The biggest mismanagement in my opinion was not protecting the elderly and people with compromised immune systems and shutting everyone down. I mean we were told millions would die. It’s not even close to that and to me that seems a success. Maybe if they would have just isolated older and health compromised people and took extreme caution with them, we would have cut the deaths by at least half if not more. Playing the Monday QB is always easier though.

[xubrew]

I don't understand why this wouldn't be allowed if you were wearing a mask!!

https://10daily.com.au/news/world/a2...LqRb4Vn4Ef7i6M

[Masterofreality]

[QUOTE=xavierj;676307]

Good points. I think this is an example of where our hyper-partisan political system is leading us. This think almost immediately turned from a public health issue into a political issue with both sides repeatedly doubling down on their bullshit. If you are on the left this is the end of days, one life lost is too many, and we should all stay home until we have a 100% effective vaccine. If you are on the right the entire thing is 100% fake and concocted to take away their rights (as if the government wants to crash the economy). The reality, in my opinion, is that this is a complex public health issue that has not been managed particularly well by anybody.

I also think that a more effective and coordinated Federal response would have helped. For example: The Federal Government should have quickly put a plan in place to backstop the states (particularly hot zones) and move Ventilators and PPE around the country as needed to combat flare-ups and stop the feeding frenzy for supplies and hospital space.[/

The biggest mismanagement in my opinion was not protecting the elderly and people with compromised immune systems and shutting everyone down. I mean we were told millions would die. It’s not even close to that and to me that seems a success. Maybe if they would have just isolated older and health compromised people and took extreme caution with them, we would have cut the deaths by at least half if not more. Playing the Monday QB is always easier though.

Welp. You can directly blame Cuomo for the nursing home debacle in New York.
And, of course, there is the requisite "Blame the Federal Government" when the Federal Government is not run by the political party of your choice, so nice "Subtweet". Where was all the blame of Feds under the SARS epidemic under OBama? I'll bet none came from you.
Each state has their own different challenges and one size does not fit all. Why shut down North Dakota when New Yorks screws up? All the governors were given the same information and they had to make decisions. Some, like DeSantis, despite the criticism, made the right ones. Some like Cuomo, despite the media praise, and the incredible amount of, yeah, FEDERAL money, equipment and assistance, made wrong calls.
DeWine is half and half. Good start, bad longer term screwup. But see, that's State's rights and why the Governors are elected. They are the CEO's of their states. That is the Republic that we have.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, you have sensationalism, fear porn and political bias from the MSM/left. That is counteracted by conspiracies, poo-pooing it, and another political bias from the right. It’s the pendulum effect in full display. Whatever you read, keep in mind the “slant”, and invest some time looking at the data, trends, and correlations. They reveal a lot more than words.

As to contradicting common conceptions, keep in mind that our understanding of this is evolving rapidly, so that is to be expected. It’s a good thing!

The article I posted earlier came from a reporter from WFMD TV in Mansfield. I don't think that an NBC affiliate in that market would be expressing a bias. It seemed like straight down the line to me. But I agree with most of your post.

[Juice]

https://www.dispatch.com/news/202005...onrsquos-worst

Last month, Ohio Gov. Mike DeWine set a goal to test 22,000 people for the novel coronavirus a day by May 27.

But Ohio is falling far short of that goal – ranging from 7,100 to nearly 12,800 tests per day as reported over the past two weeks, according to Ohio Department of Health figures.

In fact, Ohio has one of the worst COVID-19 testing rates in the nation: 2,826 tests per 100,000 residents, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

I've been told that Dewine is an awesome leader who is handling this pandemic better than anyone...

[Masterofreality]

Maybe it's just an East coast bias?

https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/map-o...-covid-deaths/

And this is why calls for a more "Federal Response" are misguided and only political.