Covid-19

[GoMuskies]

Who thinks NYC did anything right?!?

[bjf123]

I’m not sure about everywhere but I can assure that this is not happening with any hospitals that I am familiar- which is most in the cleveland area... yet. There are specific billing codes involved for this, and the penalty for over billing insurances is hefty. It’s not worth the extra 20%.

Do I think hospitals are flat out lying about causes of death? No. But, if you don’t think they might put down COVID-19 if there’s any way it could possibly have been a contributing factor, I think you’re being naive.


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[Lloyd Braun]

Do I think hospitals are flat out lying about causes of death? No. But, if you don’t think they might put down COVID-19 if there’s any way it could possibly have been a contributing factor, I think you’re being naive.


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I think your perception of how a hospital receives money may be skewed. What do you mean “put down COVID?” It’s not like there’s a checkbox on a claim submission for a COVID bonus. That’s not how it works. If anything, COVID deaths have been under reported, more than making up for any contrived fudging you may perceive there to be.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I’m not sure about everywhere but I can assure that this is not happening with any hospitals that I am familiar- which is most in the cleveland area... yet. There are specific billing codes involved for this, and the penalty for over billing insurances is hefty. It’s not worth the extra 20%.

Yeah one accusation by one politician, who essentially walked it back, and now this is a talking point for those trying to downplay the virus (which is already less than the models, so why anyone tries to downplay it more?).

[Masterofreality]

I’m not sure about everywhere but I can assure that this is not happening with any hospitals that I am familiar- which is most in the cleveland area... yet. There are specific billing codes involved for this, and the penalty for over billing insurances is hefty. It’s not worth the extra 20%.

I think your perception of how a hospital receives money may be skewed. What do you mean “put down COVID?” It’s not like there’s a checkbox on a claim submission for a COVID bonus. That’s not how it works. If anything, COVID deaths have been under reported, more than making up for any contrived fudging you may perceive there to be.

Welp. Even USA Today found it true that Hospitals got paid more. Don't be so naive to think that Hospital billers don't know how to code conditions to get paid, and paid the Max. It happens all the time, Covid or no Covid. My Brother in Law is a VP at Lutheran, a Cleveland Clinic hospital. He's told me this.
And absolutely no way that desths are being under reported They even have a "Presumed" statistic where they count anybody who might have come in contact with an infected person.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Welp. Even USA Today found it true that Hospitals got paid more. Don't be so naive to think that Hospital billers don't know how to code conditions to get paid, and paid the Max. It happens all the time, Covid or no Covid. My Brother in Law is a VP at Lutheran, a Cleveland Clinic hospital. He's told me this.
And absolutely no way that desths are being under reported They even have a "Presumed" statistic where they count anybody who might have come in contact with an infected person.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...us/3000638001/

They found it true the hospitals get paid more, not that they were fraudulently billing or inflating their numbers.

[Lloyd Braun]

They found it true the hospitals get paid more, not that they were fraudulently billing or inflating their numbers.

Yes and it says this in the article posted literally word for word:

“ There have been no public reports that hospitals are exaggerating COVID-19 numbers to receive higher Medicare payments.

Jensen didn't explicitly make that claim. He simply suggested there is an "avenue" to do so now that "plausible" COVID-19, not just laboratory-confirmed, cases can be greenlighted for Medicare payment and eligible for the 20% add-on allowed under the relief act.”

[boozehound]

Add in that hospitals get more money for COVID-19 deaths vs. heart failure and you can really question the accuracy of the numbers.


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Perhaps a better method to estimate deaths 'truly' attributable to COVID-19 would be to look at the variance in deaths during the pandemic in relation to prior years total death rates. You assume that the variance is largely attributable to COVID. Those numbers would suggest that, if anything, we have understated the COVID death toll. Here is an (admittedly a little dated) article around that methodology.

COVID-19 Death Toll Undercounted

Theoretically this method would also weed out some of the impact of people who would have died anyways but happened to catch COVID and have it listed as cause of death and may give a more accurate forecast of the death toll (or at a minimum another data point).

I'm not sure why some people feel the need to minimize the death toll. Yes, the media is over-dramatizing this. Particularly for the majority of the Midwest, Mountain West, etc. In NYC and surrounding areas it really is a big deal. They have so many dead that they can't handle the bodies. That should probably be a sign that this is serious (for them) and has the potential to be serious for other places if they have outbreaks of similar magnitude.

I think it's the right thing to start opening things up in many of the states with limited outbreaks, but we should probably still take this seriously and we need widespread, accurate, testing ASAP if we are going to get things moving again (and keep them moving).

[Smails]

Is "globalist" really an anti-semitic slur? I'm pleased to not really be up on these sorts of things.

No...not even close. The author is a left-wing hack from a left wing rag. Anything to stoke the flames of hate! For the life of me I can't understand why anyone reads that crap. Brietbart, Huffpost, Thinkprogress= Sheep food

[bigdiggins]

Yes it is.

Roughly equivalent to smoking. And every life is so precious we had to shut down the country, yet we haven't banned smoking.