Covid-19

[Muskie in dayton]

Maybe you can all go down to Ga. and get a haircut and tattoo. Then go bowling.

Sounds great. We need haircuts, enjoy bowling, and a tattoo that says "I ain't a pussy" would look great on my Aunt. We'd be right down as soon as the stay at home order is lifted.

[bobbiemcgee]

Birx sez it will be fine as long as they maintain "social distancing". Your barber, masseuse and tattoo guy need to stay 6 feet away from you. You'll need Edward Scissorhands with hedge clippers.

[xu82]

Birx sez it will be fine as long as they maintain "social distancing". Your barber, masseuse and tattoo guy need to stay 6 feet away from you. You'll need Edward Scissorhands with hedge clippers.

It’s like the CDC dropped in and gave him a list of the order in which things could open.......and he started reading from the wrong end!!!

Why not retail where you are in and out with minimal and brief contact? This seems insane to me! I’d like to hear the reasoning.

[GoMuskies]

Reasoning? That's an outrageous request!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Update on Sweden:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/22/no-l...-in-weeks.html

In short, Sweden has seen COVID-19 cases and impacts level off, and expect to have "herd immunity" through much of the country in the coming weeks. COVID-19 can no longer be a pandemic there, however this has come at a cost of higher death rate primarily for their elderly.

I'm sure the debate will be: "is the higher number of deaths worth minimizing economic impact"? What is missing is the fact that the virus is still around in the U.S. and a huge portion of the population is still vulnerable. So the real debate for the U.S. should be: "is delaying the higher number of deaths under lock down worth the profound economic impact now, and likely again in a few months?".

Explain to me how an entire country can have "herd immunity" when there is no evidence that getting it creates any immunity at all?

There is hope that there is some immunity created, maybe 3 months? 6? 12? lifetime? But there is nothing to this point to show there is any immunity.


Edit:

It's a bold claim to make that the country will have herd immunity within weeks when the article finishes by saying this:

"Without a vaccine for the coronavirus, however, scientists are looking at whether exposure to and recovery from Covid-19 leads to long-term immunity. Reinfections of coronavirus have been reported."

[XU '11]

CDC sez could be worse next winter:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...e-cdcdirector/

Both Trump and the CDC director quoted in this article absolutely blasted the Washington Post for what the author of that article inferred from the CDC director's quote. It was the very first thing addressed in today's press briefing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sounds great. We need haircuts, enjoy bowling, and a tattoo that says "I ain't a pussy" would look great on my Aunt. We'd be right down as soon as the stay at home order is lifted.

Fauci sez this would be a bad idea. A Barber or Masseuse shedding the virus would surely pass it on imho. So I guess if you hell bent on getting sick, go ahead.

[Masterofreality]

And now up here in Callahooga County comes the first causality in the medical community as to what happens when faulty models are trusted, followed for action, and taken as Bible resulting in panic & overreation: (I hope Lloyd doesn’t work for them)
University Hospitals is laying off 400 workers who are not directly related to patient care. At the same time, they are closing 3 temporary emergency facilities that they were directed to erect to deal with the flood and onslaught of corona virus patients- because there weren’t any.
Now, call me a Tin Foil Hat, but...these hospitals were directed to gear up for this onslaught. So they did, now..where did the money to “gear up” come from? Welp, *maybe* from their normal operating budgets that would normally pay for, say, 400 staff members? Add to that this statement from the Hospital that their revenues are way down “due to the executive order from Gov. Mike DeWine postponing all non-essential surgeries and procedures.” Uh remember why DeWine did that? So hospitals would have room for the onslaught. Um, yeah.
See? Garbage in, and when the trash isn’t taken out, it spoils and infects otherwise healthy things.
Thanks “leaders” for the fear mongering. Nicely done.

[XU '11]

And now up here in Callahooga County comes the first causality in the medical community as to what happens when faulty models are trusted, followed for action, and taken as Bible resulting in panic & overreation: (I hope Lloyd doesn’t work for them)
University Hospitals is laying off 400 workers who are not directly related to patient care. At the same time, they are closing 3 temporary emergency facilities that they were directed to erect to deal with the flood and onslaught of corona virus patients- because there weren’t any.
Now, call me a Tin Foil Hat, but...these hospitals were directed to gear up for this onslaught. So they did, now..where did the money to “gear up” come from? Welp, *maybe* from their normal operating budgets that would normally pay for, say, 400 staff members? Add to that this statement from the Hospital that their revenues are way down “due to the executive order from Gov. Mike DeWine postponing all non-essential surgeries and procedures.” Uh remember why DeWine did that? So hospitals would have room for the onslaught. Um, yeah.
See? Garbage in, and when the trash isn’t taken out, it spoils and infects otherwise healthy things.
Thanks “leaders” for the fear mongering. Nicely done.

Even if nothing else is done with opening other businesses, allowing elective surgeries and procedures to resume (subject to immediate cancellation if the situation changes and more hospital space is needed for COVID) seems like an easy, low-risk decision.

[Lloyd Braun]

As a general statement (there are a few exceptions) elective surgeries/procedures/office visits etc were cancelled for infection control rather than hospital bed space. If these procedures are being done you are bringing healthy people into hospitals that have risk for transmission. Conversely you are bringing asymptomatic people that have the virus (TBD if this transmits the virus or not but you have to assume they do) potentially shedding it to others. It was always known this was the likely outcome when elective procedures etc were to be on hold. That is a massive amount of money, way more than the cost to “gear up.”
I could go back several pages of posts but that was the reason I asked Dr. Crawford if he had to lay off/furlough employees since there is a reasonable amount of non-emergent dermatologic care as in most any specialty.

One thing however that was not expected from what I gather in talks with administration is the lack of visits to urgent cares and ERs. People are staying home and visits to Urgent Cares and ERs are WAY down. People are thinking twice about going there to avoid exposure. So while we can talk about how insurance rates are going to skyrocket, nobody is discussing the massive amount of claims that haven’t been filed with insurances because volumes are very low. I will be curious to see this quarter’s revenues for the major insurers. But if hospitals are losing money because they don’t have business, where does all the money go that we are paying our insurers? Food for thought....