Covid-19

[X-man]

What should we make of Sweden, where nothing was done and their death rate is 59 per million, as opposed to Switzerland where deaths are 94 per million with mitigation in place ?

Hmmmm. Trends aside, do you think it's possible that the fact Sweden is densely populated than Switzerland (23 vs. 206) might be a factor? Or that Scandinavian reserve makes people more naturally "social distanced"? I have no idea, but the idea that mitigation makes things worse is truly bizarre.

[Lloyd Braun]

Based on what their governmental leaders are saying, I've seen nothing to indicate that they will tighten things up. If you seen something different saying they're going to change course, please send it.

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/covi...hange-/1794325

Here is an article...

On a side note I order coffee beans from Sweden and they do not expect my monthly bean shipments to be interrupted :)

[Lloyd Braun]

Again, I implore anyone to look at the data that is quite easy to discern here

You can compare Sweden to Switzerland directly and see that Sweden may be in for a rapid rise in deaths over the next 1-2 weeks. They are about a week behind Switzerland’s timeline, but check out the linear graph and specifically geometric growth. You will see that Sweden has a higher growth rate of deaths and cases when you compare the results on the same day, not date. Yesterday was day 20 for Sweden (20 days after reaching 10 deaths from COVID-19), and day 25 for Switzerland. 5 days difference is quite a bit when dealing with an exponential graph.

[bjf123]

But the only thing really locked down is a lot of business. People are still out shopping and taking vacations and the government is pretty much footing the bill. It’s not like everyone is actually locking themselves in their houses. Of course people are going to say it’s working but there isn’t any proof that people are really not out moving around.

When I leave for work in the morning, I have to turn left across a very busy 4 lane state route. Before the lock down, I would usually need to wait for the traffic light just south of my street to turn red so traffic would stop and I could make the left turn. Now, I could probably not even stop at the stop sign and wouldn’t have to worry about getting hit, the traffic is that light.


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[xuphan]

Amazing how China is opening everything back up. Won’t they just relapse back into a pandemic? It can’t surely be gone from their country.

[GIMMFD]

Of course NONE of that made sense to me. I’m not a doctor. BUT, I have seen interviews with at least a half dozen doctors who took it themselves and prescribed it for family members when they tested positive. None have reported negative outcomes. I have read elsewhere of racing heart rates, etc, but even those people turned out fine. I’m sure in some cases it does not.

My point is, if I’m looking at a serious illness that could kill me, I’m not waiting for a 12 month clinical study to confirm it’s safe if I’ll be dead in a days.

Haha damnit, sorry I was trying to simplify it as much as I could, it's easier if I have a piece of paper and can draw things out, helps me organize my thoughts. I'm completely with you in understanding that if you have a serious illness that you'd want anything. Strangely from what I've read in the journals, it seems mild/moderate cases treated with HCQ + Azithro are more beneficial than severe cases. I actually absolutely despise that people are prescribing it for themselves and their families, because HCQ is used in a large amount of patients with autoimmune diseases, it's poor practice for a dentist or ophthalmologist to prescribe 300 pills for himself and entire family. I know that they're still giving them as "possible treatments" to patients that are in the hospital, in that setting I think it's fine since you can be monitored, have correct dosing, etc. I'm not a big fan of the preventative prescriptions where people don't know the proper dosing, etc. That's how you end up drinking fish tank cleaner and killing yourself.

[MADXSTER]

But the only thing really locked down is a lot of business. People are still out shopping and taking vacations and the government is pretty much footing the bill. It’s not like everyone is actually locking themselves in their houses.

1) Speaking only for my family household....The wife is working from home, my son is working from home, my daughter is working from home, my other daughter is attending online college courses from home. I filled everyone's gas tank about 3-4 weeks ago and all of the cars have at least 3/4 tank.

2) Our shopping has mostly been to the grocery store or occasionally some online shopping. There has been some outside of this by very minimal.

3) I know of no one that has gone on or is planning on going on vacation.

I have noticed more people out on the road in the last 5 days or so but it still isn't anything I would remotely call rush hour traffic.

[Masterofreality]

So is she part of a big conspiracy? Incompetent? What do YOU think is going on here?

I never said a damn thing about a conspiracy. How about “Overreaching?” Where our damn economy is being trashed by potentially garbage in data?
Today’s NEW daily estimate of new cases: 1,600. Today’s ACTUAL new cases 366.
That is as opposed to a 10,000/day new case estimate only 8 days ago and 20,000/day a couple of days before that.
They try to pass it off as the fact that "Ohioan's cooperation is making this happen" Uh a huge reduction in case estimates in 10 days and no day that has ever matched the model estimates? That, I'm sorry is BoolSheet.
When does the reality match the fear mongering? When?

[Masterofreality]

You don’t know that what she has done have saved lives. No one does. Most of the models assumed full social distancing and lockdown. That clearly didn’t happen and we still beat the models.

Today's model shows a Daily new case load of 1,600. We haven't had a day with more than 550, and that was over a week ago. Today the daily new case load is 300-350. The "models" are being beaten to death.
BTW. My understanding is that Ohio is using the Ohio State model. Which is way the F off too.
On March 29, Amy Acton said :"The numbers are a range. As the model gets better data fed into it, the closer and closer it gets." Uh, WHEN??? 20,000 to 10,000 to 1,600 vs reality of 366. Hmmm

[xavierj]

1) Speaking only for my family household....The wife is working from home, my son is working from home, my daughter is working from home, my other daughter is attending online college courses from home. I filled everyone's gas tank about 3-4 weeks ago and all of the cars have at least 3/4 tank.

2) Our shopping has mostly been to the grocery store or occasionally some online shopping. There has been some outside of this by very minimal.

3) I know of no one that has gone on or is planning on going on vacation.

I have noticed more people out on the road in the last 5 days or so but it still isn't anything I would remotely call rush hour traffic.

That's great that you are doing your part and everyone should do what they think is best. Yes rush hour traffic is lighter but I see the local Kroger packed every day as is the Home Depot by my house (people must think this is a great time to do home improvements). My son went to work out on the football field over at UC to try and stay in shape, by himself, thinking it would be empty and said the place was packed with people out playing football, running the stairs and everything else. Maybe the social distancing is working or maybe it would be what it is regardless, I don't think we will ever know, but there are still a lot of people out in the country not sitting at home and the total number of cases isn't anywhere close to estimates, with or without a total lock down. If this ever happens again, it will not result in a total lock down, fear for your lives scenario in my opinion.