Politics Thread

**Muskie in dayton** · 09-29-2019, 09:07 AM

Originally Posted by scoscox

after you've successfully tried them all for treason, who will govern in their place? how will they govern? what will be their philosophy? will they also be tried for treason after a certain period of time?

1) Independents
2) solely in the best interests of the United States of America
3) find common ground with other elected officials and act swiftly in the best interest of the American people
4) only if they prioritize self or partisan interests over the greater good of the country

Thanks for letting me revel in my dream world for a bit. Now it’s back to reality of our disgusting president and disgusting two party political system.

**Muskie in dayton** · 09-29-2019, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by scoscox

again, it's ridiculous to associate the president investigating corruption with partisan politics. it's his job as executive. biden is not a presidential nominee and likely won't be. he's hardly a rival.

We’ll have to agree to disagree. We clearly have different beliefs of Trump’s intentions and the importance to our country of focusing on this. And now you’ve convinced yourself that Biden is “hardly a rival”. Wow.

So how about those Muskies this year?

**X-man** · 09-29-2019, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by paulxu

Not that I think anyone will pay attention.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9a0_story.html

Certainly not those who believe in "alternative facts".

**boozehound** · 09-29-2019, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by bleedXblue

Yeah, we all see what happens when "qualified people" get elected.........this is a joke isn't it?

Washington is colossally f^&ed up. What we've had the last 20 years or so is people who've been in office who don't get anything done b/c of all the political infighting.

Its refreshing to have someone who ISNT a career politician. Who doesn't care about who he pisses off.

Trump could win in 2020 by the largest margin in the history of presidential races if he could change his rhetoric and style. But, he cant help himself. he is so over the top arrogant and full of himself that he is his own worst enemy.

I'm entertained by the 'outsider fallacy' that so intoxicates people. I'd actually rather return to the days where most of our Presidents had prior executive experience as Governors. Running the United States of America is a complicated job. I think it helps to have some relevant experience. Often as a Governor you get that experience, and you learn how compromise works and how to get things done, even when parties disagree. I think that was part of the problem with Obama, and definitely a major issue with Trump. Outside of Trump's glaring personality flaws he did not seem to have any appreciation for the magnitude of the Presidency which has led to a chaotic administration almost from day 1. Basic staffing and information flow were major issues for this administration which we really haven't seen before. I attribute that to a lack of preparedness and a lack of relevant experience.

In my opinion the hyper-partisan state we find ourselves in is more related to things not getting done than career politicians - they are just a symptom of the larger problem which is (IMO) far too much money in (and around) politics. Shut off the money and influence pipeline and it would go a long way.

Juice · 09-29-2019, 07:45 PM

Originally Posted by boozehound

I'm entertained by the 'outsider fallacy' that so intoxicates people. I'd actually rather return to the days where most of our Presidents had prior executive experience as Governors. Running the United States of America is a complicated job. I think it helps to have some relevant experience. Often as a Governor you get that experience, and you learn how compromise works and how to get things done, even when parties disagree. I think that was part of the problem with Obama, and definitely a major issue with Trump. Outside of Trump's glaring personality flaws he did not seem to have any appreciation for the magnitude of the Presidency which has led to a chaotic administration almost from day 1. Basic staffing and information flow were major issues for this administration which we really haven't seen before. I attribute that to a lack of preparedness and a lack of relevant experience.

In my opinion the hyper-partisan state we find ourselves in is more related to things not getting done than career politicians - they are just a symptom of the larger problem which is (IMO) far too much money in (and around) politics. Shut off the money and influence pipeline and it would go a long way.

Republicans nominated one of the most experienced senators alive at the time and a former governor during the Obama years. Both were resoundingly rejected by voters. Voters used to care about experience. Now they want "outsiders" or someone isn't part of the political machine. I'm not saying Obama or Trump actually meet that criteria but that's what Trump ran on.

**scoscox** · 09-29-2019, 08:38 PM

And of course trump beat Hillary Clinton, former senator, First Lady, and Secretary of State. People clearly abhor whatever has been the status quo in Washington or at the very least see something wrong with it

**kmcrawfo** · 09-29-2019, 11:24 PM

Originally Posted by scoscox

And of course trump beat Hillary Clinton, former senator, First Lady, and Secretary of State. People clearly abhor whatever has been the status quo in Washington or at the very least see something wrong with it

It is interesting that the last two presidents our country has elected historically would be considered the least qualified and least experienced individuals to ever hold the office. One, I believe, was a one-term Senator with no executive experience. The other, I believe, had no political experience whatsoever. One could argue the benefits and detriments of both situations.