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    Shades of Jimmy V.
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    NC State was trailing Louisville in their first ACC Tournament game, and they'd lost five out of six coming into that, and even after winning the ACC Tournament they were still seeded below the bubble (and should have been).

    Loyola Chicago was the first team that I know of to make the Final Four that was seeded lower on the seedlist than the last at-large team taken. They were 46th on the seedlist, and Syracuse was 44th and the last First Four team. I kind of wanted that to always be the most incredible Final Four run of all time, and MAYBE you could argue that it was since NC State was 45th on the seedlist and Loyola CHI was 46th, but at the same time NC State had to win FIVE conference tournament games just to make the NCAA Tournament, whereas Loyola only had to win three.

    I'm still going to claim that the 2018 Loyola team was the best Final Four run ever, but that's more out of stubbornness than anything else, and I totally understand the argument for this year's NC State team.
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    1983 NC State still has the record on greatest March run for now. 2024 NC State would surpass them with two more wins.

    Also funny is that NC State is eliminated unless an 80% UVA foul shooter misses a FT in the ACC semis AND NC State banks in a miracle three at the buzzer to send the game to OT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMuskies View Post
    1983 NC State still has the record on greatest March run for now. 2024 NC State would surpass them with two more wins.

    Also funny is that NC State is eliminated unless an 80% UVA foul shooter misses a FT in the ACC semis AND NC State banks in a miracle three at the buzzer to send the game to OT.
    I'm not old enough to remember this or appreciate it as it happened. I am certainly aware of the story. My question is, much like the Texas Western 1966 NCAA Championship Run, does the story get told the way it actually happened?? Yeah, that story of Texas Western is a great story, but the story about how it was this big upset is kind of false. UTEP was ranked #3rd in the country at the start of the tournament and had been in the top ten for most of the year. How big of an upset could it have actually been??

    The 1983 NC State team was a 6 seed. They were ranked in the top 25 throughout the year, and while they weren't ranked in the final poll, they must have at least been close since they were a 6 seed. That's not exactly a bubble team even with the smaller field. Now, I'm not saying it wasn't amazing, but I can think of at least two occasions where a lower seeded team won it all (Nova in 1985 and UConn in 2014). The 1983 NC State team was far more accomplished than this year's NC State team coming into the tournament.
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    They were a bubble team at best. Their #6 seed (with a smaller tournament) reflects wins over #5 UNC and #2 Virginia (Ralph Sampson) in the ACC Tournament. If they lose that UNC game, it wouldn't have been a bit surprising for them to miss the Tournament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
    I'm not old enough to remember this or appreciate it as it happened. I am certainly aware of the story. My question is, much like the Texas Western 1966 NCAA Championship Run, does the story get told the way it actually happened?? Yeah, that story of Texas Western is a great story, but the story about how it was this big upset is kind of false. UTEP was ranked #3rd in the country at the start of the tournament and had been in the top ten for most of the year. How big of an upset could it have actually been??

    The 1983 NC State team was a 6 seed. They were ranked in the top 25 throughout the year, and while they weren't ranked in the final poll, they must have at least been close since they were a 6 seed. That's not exactly a bubble team even with the smaller field. Now, I'm not saying it wasn't amazing, but I can think of at least two occasions where a lower seeded team won it all (Nova in 1985 and UConn in 2014). The 1983 NC State team was far more accomplished than this year's NC State team coming into the tournament.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoMuskies View Post
    They were a bubble team at best. Their #6 seed (with a smaller tournament) reflects wins over #5 UNC and #2 Virginia (Ralph Sampson) in the ACC Tournament. If they lose that UNC game, it wouldn't have been a bit surprising for them to miss the Tournament.
    Brew, you're forgetting that the 1983 NCAA Tournament only had 52 teams - there were 4 play-in games that featured the 12 seeds in each region (including Xavier/Alcorn State, I might add). That's why even a 6 seed or a 7 seed would very much have been a bubble team back then. They very likely would have not been invited had they lost to Virginia, for example. They definitely would not have gotten in had they lost to either Wake or Carolina in the ACC Tournament.

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    Congratulations Seton Hall on winning the NIT.
    We've come a long way since my bench seat at the Fieldhouse!

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    Quote Originally Posted by muskiefan82 View Post
    Congratulations Seton Hall on winning the NIT.
    That center for Indiana State with the glasses (can’t remember his name) looks really good and gave me flashback to Stainbrook. No idea if he has any eligibility left but If he hits the portal, I’d take him in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xuphan View Post
    That center for Indiana State with the glasses (can’t remember his name) looks really good and gave me flashback to Stainbrook. No idea if he has any eligibility left but If he hits the portal, I’d take him in a heartbeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
    I'm not old enough to remember this or appreciate it as it happened. I am certainly aware of the story. My question is, much like the Texas Western 1966 NCAA Championship Run, does the story get told the way it actually happened?? Yeah, that story of Texas Western is a great story, but the story about how it was this big upset is kind of false. UTEP was ranked #3rd in the country at the start of the tournament and had been in the top ten for most of the year. How big of an upset could it have actually been??

    The 1983 NC State team was a 6 seed. They were ranked in the top 25 throughout the year, and while they weren't ranked in the final poll, they must have at least been close since they were a 6 seed. That's not exactly a bubble team even with the smaller field. Now, I'm not saying it wasn't amazing, but I can think of at least two occasions where a lower seeded team won it all (Nova in 1985 and UConn in 2014). The 1983 NC State team was far more accomplished than this year's NC State team coming into the tournament.
    Texas Western/UK had the black white thing as the upset factor, not that Western was not a good team. TW was playing the all white UK team of Adolf Rupp. NC State's win was about a miraculous shot at the buzzer. Valvano was a media darling, hyped up by Dickie V, so that made it a big deal. Both were very dramatic, but neither were in the atmosphere of some of the 1v16 upsets. Heck, X beating Georgetown was a colossal upset at the time.

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