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    I also thought when Miller retuned to Xavier he would retire from Xavier. And I can see why many would think going to OSU is a lateral move. But you have to look at the future through the lens of players most likely being employees and the NIL. Coaches now have to construct an annual roster. The high schoolers they get and develop can go in the portal. The missing pieces they have to get every year they have to bid out of the portal. Tell me this. If OSU has a $5M to spend annually and Xavier has 2M , over a 5 year period at which school would Miller have the most success¬…forgetting he would make double the salary.
    I seriously do not think salary is an issue here. Sean has made a bunch of dough in his career and, those of you who remember Hailstone's economics class will recall money has diminishing marginal utility. The more you have, the less benefit it provides. And that marginal utility curve flattens out at some point where more money brings no further satisfaction at all. I'm positive Sean is at that point. He is not moving on to make more money.

    I get your point that the confluence of NIL and the portal in the last couple of years, may have changed the nature of the head coach's job to a degree that it changes the relative attractiveness of various coaching jobs. I suppose that could be something Miller recognizes and perhaps Xavier is at a disadvantage compared to larger institutions. But I'm not ready to concede that point. Basketball is critical to Xavier and I believe the administration is very aware of the value Miller brings to the university.

    Hettel's reasoning is sensible. If Miller leaves it will be shocking and it will make a huge statement about the current and future condition of Xavier basketball. So powerful a statement that Xavier cannot and will not allow Miller to go.

    I guess one final point to factor into thinking here is that when a coach moves on, he doesn't move alone. I very much doubt if Miller's wife wants to move again, just two years after moving here. That can be a very important factor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A Fan View Post
    I also thought when Miller retuned to Xavier he would retire from Xavier. And I can see why many would think going to OSU is a lateral move. But you have to look at the future through the lens of players most likely being employees and the NIL. Coaches now have to construct an annual roster. The high schoolers they get and develop can go in the portal. The missing pieces they have to get every year they have to bid out of the portal. Tell me this. If OSU has a $5M to spend annually and Xavier has 2M , over a 5 year period at which school would Miller have the most successÖforgetting he would make double the salary.
    From the reports I have seen (not factual bc I'm not sure anyone knows for sure) XU's NIL situation is better than OSU's. I would guess that is bc OSU football gets the biggest piece of the pie.
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    I don’t think there is a chance in hell of miller going to osu. He may leave at some point, but it’s not going to be there. Inferior basketball league, inferior to football, inferior city, inferior fan support, inferior arena. Could go on and on. He’s not going there

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    Many thought X’s highbrow brand would preclude it from having the moxie to bring back a tarnished Sean, myself included. It’s hard to imagine the administration is doing anything but putting its full support behind Sean after making the bold (and correct) move. I’ve never had the impression that Sean‘s ego lends itself to unnecessary in-fighting, so If there are any in the admin who are not in full support, they need to be removed at once.

    I don’t think conjecture can overlook the fact we missed on priorities in the portal, resulting in the disappointing outcome of a patchwork roster. I can see why Sean could be discouraged, and in this New World of uncertainty, this season would make it hard not to second-guess whether all the elements are in place to compete at the highest level. I am sure Sean came back with the unequivocal determination to get himself and X to our first Final Four, and I am also convinced getting to a Final Four matters more to him than anything at this point. I suspect he felt X had as much chance to do so with him at the helm as almost anywhere else. Does he still feel that way? The sauce will boil down to that.
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    Sean isn’t leaving for OSU, it’s stupid rumors to get clicks. We would be in the dance had we had free and hunt. Next year should be way better
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    I don’t think there is a chance in hell of miller going to osu. He may leave at some point, but it’s not going to be there. Inferior basketball league, inferior to football, inferior city, inferior fan support, inferior arena. Could go on and on. He’s not going there
    No offense, but you're wrong on almost all of your points there. You are in the same boat UC football has been in many times, no matter how: they're already so rich, or were better than that team, or their family loves it here, why would they want to coach in that conference.... If he gets an offer, he's gone. If Miller is still coaching at Xavier next year, it's because OSU didn't want him

    Quick edit: this is not an indictment on Xavier basketball, just that 1: money talks and 2 coaches are mostly egotistical people who are chasing wins, if they think osu's NIL grass is greener....
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    Quote Originally Posted by rationalbearcatfan View Post
    No offense, but you're wrong on almost all of your points there. You are in the same boat UC football has been in many times, no matter how: they're already so rich, or were better than that team, or their family loves it here, why would they want to coach in that conference.... If he gets an offer, he's gone. If Miller is still coaching at Xavier next year, it's because OSU didn't want him

    Quick edit: this is not an indictment on Xavier basketball, just that 1: money talks and 2 coaches are mostly egotistical people who are chasing wins, if they think osu's NIL grass is greener....
    No offense but Xavier basketball and uc football are not the same thing. And, you don’t know what you’re talking about. No offense.

    Not saying miller will never leave, I’m not that naive. It just won’t be to Ohio state, and yes he will either be formally offered or their agents have already reached out to millers agents to see if he is interested.
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    I was thrilled when Miller came back. Seemed like the moon and stars had perfectly aligned and we got exactly what we needed at the exact right moment. However, with that said, I don’t wear Miller “blue glasses” and consider him omnipotent. He brought in eleven new players this year and promptly delivered the worst team we’ve seen in modern Xavier history. He’s got some work to do.

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    Gottlieb is a dweeb and I have been really put off by Goodman lately and both of them saying Ohio State is a "better job" is crap but I found this interesting:

    https://watchstadium.com/videos/coul...ns-basketball/

    Sean is also building a house next to his brother in law. He isn't going anywhere for the time being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Final4 View Post
    I was thrilled when Miller came back. Seemed like the moon and stars had perfectly aligned and we got exactly what we needed at the exact right moment. However, with that said, I don’t wear Miller “blue glasses” and consider him omnipotent. He brought in eleven new players this year and promptly delivered the worst team we’ve seen in modern Xavier history. He’s got some work to do.
    It's going to take more than one bad season where we lost our 2 best big guys weeks before the season started to have me question Miller.

    He's a great head coach, a proven winner at the highest levels of basketball. He took Xavier to the Sweet 16 in his first year back after 4 straight non tourney seasons.

    Of course he has work to do, but he has nothing to prove to any of us if he's capable.
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