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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Just not true. The better players are not typically on the better teams which is why they are transferring.

    Knecht
    Dickinson
    Cam spencer
    Olivari
    Ike


    Etc. etc. not saying good players from good teams don’t transfer but this whole “I’m transferring just for more nil money” is baloney. If Michigan was actually good. Dickinson would not have transferred.

    I know that’s a tangent but that narrative that people are trying to spin hasn’t really happened and most likely won’t.
    Creighton went to the Elite 8 last year and could have returned essentially the entire team. But Arthur Kaluma transfered to…..Kansa State?

    Neither of us really KNOW why Kaluma transferred. I could certainly put forth a theory.

    Frankly, you just listed 5 guys that played on bad teams. Should I put forth a list of 5 guys that were on good teams to negate you list of guys on bad teams? Is that the idea?

    The reality is that the total population of players that enter the portal is never “complete” at any time of the process. At the outset, there will only be players that aren’t playing in the postseason. Portal opens March 18, and the NCAA tourney round of 64 is on the 21st. So guys will trickle in if they don’t get out of that first weekend. By the end of the next week, 60 of the 64 teams will have been eliminated. So for practical purposes, it’s going to be 10 days or so before the portal starts reflecting the majority of the pool of players that plan to transfer. I think also there are the kids that may not initially be planning to transfer and then jump into the portal suddenly because they have been recruited over by a guy coming in that will probably take their position.

    I definitely think getting in early is important, especially to get a jump on the diligence process. But the early bird won’t always get the worm in this scenario
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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    Creighton went to the Elite 8 last year and could have returned essentially the entire team. But Arthur Kaluma transfered to…..Kansa State?

    Neither of us really KNOW why Kalimantan transferred. I could certainly put forth a theory.
    Kansas state was also an elite eight team last year and returned a lot of their team. You really think Kansas state in Manhattan has a large nil collective?

    Nembhard also left creighton and it wasn’t due to nil.
    Last edited by Xville; 03-02-2024 at 09:59 AM.

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    Kansas state was also an elite eight team last year and returned a lot of their team. You really think Kansas state in Manhattan has a large nil collective?

    Nembhard also left creighton and it wasn’t due to nil.
    Krissa left Arizona and might as well have had an auction (wound up at WVU).

    We can go back and forth all day if you’d like.

    To suggest money is not a significant factor that weighs on these decisions is just nonsense.

    I’m sure there are kids in really good situations that 1) enter the portal for the money, and 2) take the highest offer on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    Krissa left Arizona and might as well have had an auction (wound up at WVU).

    We can go back and forth all day if you’d like.

    To suggest money is not a significant factor that weighs on these decisions is just nonsense.

    I’m sure there are kids in really good situations that 1) enter the portal for the money, and 2) take the highest offer on the table.
    He left because of reasons beyond nil. He was criticized directly by lloyd and az fans several times for his general play. They butted heads all year long.

    I’m not saying nil isn’t a factor but they aren’t transferring just for money like you have tried to suggest.

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    He left because of reasons beyond nil. He was criticized directly by lloyd and az fans several times for his general play. They butted heads all year long.

    I’m not saying nil isn’t a factor but they aren’t transferring just for money like you have tried to suggest.
    All right. I suppose you somehow can speak on behalf of all of these guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    All right. I suppose you somehow can speak on behalf of all of these guys.
    Just like you believe that itís all about money.

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    Just like you believe that it’s all about money.
    I believe in the concept of how incentives modify behavior

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    Iím not going to say that all kids transfer just for the money, but itís a fact that 1600 kids were in the portal last year and only 600 of them had entered at the end of the first week. Iíd hazard to guess that most of those 600 were not on teams that played in the post season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    I believe in the concept of how incentives modify behavior
    And there are incentives other than money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    Well, time management comes to mind. Coaches work non-stop during the season. There wonít suddenly be more hours in the day to scout and engage with portal targets. We likely will have players on our team last year that none of our coaches have even heard of. They donít just check their stats on ESPN and send them an email with a scholarship offer. They scout the players by watching film and making calls to people they know and trust.

    Second, how do you prioritize you portal targets if you donít know what your roster requires. I would guess there are a few players that have revealed their intentions to miller, but I would fully expect that if a guy like Claude, as an example, decides to enter the portal that it would be a bombshell on Miller. A surprise like that could change the entire portal strategy.

    My guess is Miller has meetings with every player right after the season ends and presses them to reveal their intentions. This would also be the same meeting where Sean would reveal his intentions about the player remaking on the team.

    These are not discussion you would have with active players in a current season.

    So, howís that?
    Yeah sorry, don't buy any of that.

    Xavier accepting an NIT bid, if they get one, isn't going to prevent them from operating in the portal, lmao.

    We have also heard several times of guys being targets who were opponents or who coaches were told about by colleagues because they have a good relationship, etc. There is a list of guys already made. These coaches get paid millions, multi tasking is a part of the gig and the good ones excel at it.
    "Iím willing to sacrifice everything for this team. Iím going to dive for every loose ball, close out harder on every shot, block out for every rebound. Iím going to play harder than Iíve ever played. And I need you all to follow me." -MB '17

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