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    Change sucks!

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    This will not work out well for X. The no sit transfer rule, coupled with the NIL $$$ is a toxic cocktail for a program like us. For example, if Dwon Odom proves to be the expected "downhill assassin" and say Calipari wants a sure thing PG instead of gambling on his endless string of 5 Stars, it wouldn't take much to lure him away with guaranteed playing time on a National Championship contender and the smell of that NIL money that goes with it.

    Simply put, the UKs of the world will easily be able to fill any need, at any position, simply based on far superior incentives. Unless there is a reasonable cap on the money, teams like X could not operate on a fair playing field and would surely lose top talent from time to time. Obviously, the sit out rule was the only thing keeping this craziness from happening. Along with the vast difference in revenue for jerseys and other merch generated by the Blue Bloods, all but ONE Big East School will likely suffer.........not a pleasant thought.

    IMO these changes will make it almost impossible to win a NC.....Change Sucks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuperman View Post
    https://collegehoopstoday.com/index....ge-basketball/

    This will not work out well for X. The no sit transfer rule, coupled with the NIL $$$ is a toxic cocktail for a program like us. For example, if Dwon Odom proves to be the expected "downhill assassin" and say Calipari wants a sure thing PG instead of gambling on his endless string of 5 Stars, it wouldn't take much to lure him away with guaranteed playing time on a National Championship contender and the smell of that NIL money that goes with it.

    Simply put, the UKs of the world will easily be able to fill any need, at any position, simply based on far superior incentives. Unless there is a reasonable cap on the money, teams like X could not operate on a fair playing field and would surely lose top talent from time to time. Obviously, the sit out rule was the only thing keeping this craziness from happening. Along with the vast difference in revenue for jerseys and other merch generated by the Blue Bloods, all but ONE Big East School will likely suffer.........not a pleasant thought.

    IMO these changes will make it almost impossible to win a NC.....Change Sucks!
    Conversely we can grab a kid at a MAC school or A-10 school that wants an oppty at a higher level.......

    For the record, I dont like this either......

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    In a vacuum I am all for this change. If every other college student in the country can transfer freely to another school they think is better for their career, why should basketball players be any different. If every other college student in the country can make money on the side freelancing in their area of study, why should basketball players be any different.

    I am not as convinced that it will hurt X. If Player X is a stud, he is likely starting for us and has a chance to make a deep run into the tournament. If he changes scenery then there is a chance it doesn't work out and he rides the bench behind a slightly better player. Plus, these are college kids, the difference between him transferring or staying put could be where does his girlfriend go to school and if he likes the campus atmosphere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STL_XUfan View Post
    In a vacuum I am all for this change. If every other college student in the country can transfer freely to another school they think is better for their career, why should basketball players be any different. If every other college student in the country can make money on the side freelancing in their area of study, why should basketball players be any different.

    I am not as convinced that it will hurt X. If Player X is a stud, he is likely starting for us and has a chance to make a deep run into the tournament. If he changes scenery then there is a chance it doesn't work out and he rides the bench behind a slightly better player. Plus, these are college kids, the difference between him transferring or staying put could be where does his girlfriend go to school and if he likes the campus atmosphere.
    Thank you. Basketball, baseball, football and hockey players are punished in comparison to students in other Olympic sports like volleyball, soccer, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-band '01 View Post
    Thank you. Basketball, baseball, football and hockey players are punished in comparison to students in other Olympic sports like volleyball, soccer, etc.

    Oh yeah they are “punished”. By what? The lack of scholarship money? The much lower travel budgets? The much lower equipment budgets? The lack of professional opportunities? Oh wait, that’s all the “Olympic” sports that have those problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bleedXblue View Post
    Conversely we can grab a kid at a MAC school or A-10 school that wants an oppty at a higher level.......

    For the record, I dont like this either......

    I guess it takes a fellow Missourian to agree with me even though Im from Cincy! STL I agree 100% with what you said!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by X-band '01 View Post
    Thank you. Basketball, baseball, football and hockey players are punished in comparison to students in other Olympic sports like volleyball, soccer, etc.
    XBand agree with you as well!! Add Cross-Country, Track, Golf and the former Rifle team to that list!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STL_XUfan View Post
    In a vacuum I am all for this change. If every other college student in the country can transfer freely to another school they think is better for their career, why should basketball players be any different. If every other college student in the country can make money on the side freelancing in their area of study, why should basketball players be any different.
    The difference is that while the regular student is actually purchasing a service from the university, they aren’t being compensated by the university. Scholarship athletes are. So for them it’s no different than an employee of a regular company having to sign a non competitive agreement as a condition of their employment. Nothing is stopping a scholarship athlete from transferring and purchasing education services from another school, or of even being compensated by another university. They are only being stopped from competing for a certain length of time (1 year).

    I’m in favor of allowing scholarship athletes to transfer freely 1X during their college career and to be immediately eligible. I’m also in favor of allowing non-scholarship athletes to transfer as often as they want and have immediate eligibility to compete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    The difference is that while the regular student is actually purchasing a service from the university, they aren’t being compensated by the university. Scholarship athletes are. So for them it’s no different than an employee of a regular company having to sign a non competitive agreement as a condition of their employment. Nothing is stopping a scholarship athlete from transferring and purchasing education services from another school, or of even being compensated by another university. They are only being stopped from competing for a certain length of time (1 year).

    I’m in favor of allowing scholarship athletes to transfer freely 1X during their college career and to be immediately eligible. I’m also in favor of allowing non-scholarship athletes to transfer as often as they want and have immediate eligibility to compete.
    There is the difference in our view points. I do not see the student athletes as employees of the University, I see them as students. As such, I am not for paying them for their services to the University (I am fine with them making money on their own name, image, and likeness). If we move to a system where they are compensated as professional athletes then I am ok with holding them to their "employment contract."

    Just to suss out the differences between our two view points (which I think are both very valid), what is your opinion on a student who is at the University on a full scholarship for music or computer science. In your scenario these students are also not "purchasing a service" but instead are being compensated by the University. Should they be restricted in their ability to transfer to another school? If they do transfer should they be limited in their ability to perform on behalf of the university for a 1 year period after the transfer? Finally, should they be prohibited from taking on side gigs or freelance work outside of the University in which they are compensated?

    Or is the difference that "revenue generating" sports are a wholly different animal, since they are generating revenue that the University relies on to support other aspects of the University mission.
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    Yes, the difference is in what they do and how it benefits the university.

    Stop thinking of Xavier University (or any other college or university) as a “school”. Think of them as a business. The service they perform is educational in form, but it is still a service that they offer to their customers (the students). They use big time sports like basketball to attract more customers (students) and to raise the profile of the company to the general public. And it works. Xavier is much larger and well known today than it was 30 years ago. The people they are using to raise this profile (members of the basketball program) are paid....they get room, board, tuition, and a stipend to perform on the court. They sign a contract. They have free medical insurance. They get taken on trips. They have access to tutors free of charge. They have access to doctors and training facilities that other “students” don’t have.

    Now the University (the business) says this is great, we have a basketball team that is very talented. We want to show them off. But against who? Are people going to pay to watch them practice or scrimmage against themselves? Will they pay money to watch them play other “students”? No, they won’t! So let’s get in touch with the other businesses in town, or out of town, that also have a basketball team, and see if we can play against each other! We can sell tickets, we can see if someone wants to pay us to broadcast it on TV and radio! If we win a lot of games, we will become famous and everyone will want to come to my business and pay for my services (classes). After they use my service enough (take enough classes) I’ll give them a piece of paper that proves they did (a transcript, a degree) And they can get a job.

    But we don’t want our basketball players leaving us and going to the competition, do we? NO! So like many other businesses we will put a non-competitive stipulation in the contract, saying that they can’t work for another business at the same time they are working for us, and if they leave then they have to wait a year until they can go work for our competition. And we will get all of our competitors to put the same clause in the contracts they give their workers. To make sure this happens we will form a trade conglomerate (the NCAA), and agree to only compete against other members of the conglomerate. We will give the management of the trade conglomerate the power to make sure that all the members follow the rules we have all agreed to, including the non competitive agreements between our workers and ourselves.

    However, for those workers that are not getting full compensation (non-scholarship athletes) we won’t enforce a non competitive stipulation. Most of the people in “secondary” sports fall into this category, as unlike basketball and football they don’t have rosters filled with players on scholarship.

    I can guarantee none of the Xavier basketball players know what it’s like to travel to a 2-day tournament and have to spend the night sleeping in a locker room because there wasn’t enough money in the program budget to pay for hotel rooms. So don’t begin to tell me that the basketball players are “penalized” because their freedom of moment is less than some others. They are very well taken care of and compensated for their loss, and nobody is forcing them to sign the contract that carries that stipulation. Trouble is, they want it all their way. They want all of the perks that go with being a scholarship athlete, but they don’t want all of the responsibilities. While I have no problem with granting a player a 1X waiver to transfer and become immediately eligible, I also have no problem with telling them that they only get to do it ONE time. If a player can’t accept that, take your “talents” to another conglomerate.

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