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    Quote Originally Posted by xuphan View Post
    So with that logic, you are saying UCLA is a big time program under Mick Cronin? Seriously? Cincinnati should be a big time program too with all the success Bob Huggins had. Luckily that logic doesn’t hold true. Indiana hasn’t been the same since Bob Knight left. A couple decent years but nothing big. People on here were begging to go to the Big East because it would help us with recruiting and grow the Xavier brand. Sadly, it seems like some have the same A-10 ambitions from over a decade ago. Xavier with the right coaching staff should be able to recruit with the best of them. Maybe I view Xavier differently but I think this program is elite and should consider itself elite.
    Look at the players that have played for IU in the Tom Crean/Archie Miller era. They still recruit better players than Xavier, on court success (or lack thereof) notwithstanding. That's just a fact. There's a lot of reasons a high level recruit might want to go to IU over Xavier, not to mention the vastly different college experience you're signing up for.

    And yes, UCLA recruits at a higher level than Xavier, or at least should, no matter who the coach is. Mick has a top 15 guy coming in this year. Not sure this is a worthwhile comparison however, because it's pretty rare for Xavier and UCLA to be recruiting from the same pool.

    As to the end of your post, Travis is recruiting at the highest level Xavier ever has - why do you keep ignoring that? Nothing about Travis' recruiting so far says "A-10 ambitions." Nor am I exhibiting "A-10 ambitions" by saying "hey, it's pretty likely traditional powers like Indiana are going to reel in recruits over Xavier from time to time, no matter how much progress the program has made."

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    Quote Originally Posted by xuphan View Post
    So with that logic, you are saying UCLA is a big time program under Mick Cronin? Seriously? Cincinnati should be a big time program too with all the success Bob Huggins had. Luckily that logic doesnít hold true. Indiana hasnít been the same since Bob Knight left. A couple decent years but nothing big. People on here were begging to go to the Big East because it would help us with recruiting and grow the Xavier brand. Sadly, it seems like some have the same A-10 ambitions from over a decade ago. Xavier with the right coaching staff should be able to recruit with the best of them. Maybe I view Xavier differently but I think this program is elite and should consider itself elite.
    Xavier recruiting has been better over the last two years under the current staff and trending to get better. So I guess you have what you want. I agree the last 10 years the program was not as good as it could be. I think it will be in the next 3 to 5 years. And Xavier is recruiting with the best programs not named Duke, Kentucky, Kansas and maybe a couple of others. They have had a top 25 recruiting class in 2019, top 20 in 2020 and probably another top 20 class in 21. That has never happened at Xavier where you have three highly rated classes in a row. Xavier will probably never get the top 20 guys until they get the program to the next level.

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    The best recruiting class in the A10 for 2020 is rated 54th in the country, not one 4 star player for that team. The year before that, the #1 A10 team for recruiting was UMASS at 48. Xavier is not recruiting at an A10 level by any means.

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    I know UC football/basketball fans that canít understand any kid for Cincinnati ever going away for college. They all were born and raised here, have never lived anywhere else, and never will. Most of them are UC grads too. They canít understand why anyone goes to X either.

    Perhaps the kid just wanted to go away for school and wanted to go to a larger university? Wanted to try something different? Wanted to go to a non-catholic school for a change? Wanted to try living in a smaller community? There are tons of reasons why kids choose the schools they do. It doesnít always come down to something a coach can control either. Him going to Indiana does not automatically point to some kind of failure on the part of Xavier or its basketball program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    I’ve got UC football/basketball fans that can’t understand any kid for Cincinnati ever going away for college. They all were born and raised here, have never lived anywhere else, and never will.

    Perhaps the kid just wanted to go away for school and wanted to go to a larger university? Wanted to try something different? Wanted to go to a non-catholic school for a change? Wanted to try living in a smaller community? There are tons of reasons why kids choose the schools they do. It doesn’t always come down to something a coach can control either. Him going to Indiana does not automatically point to some kind of failure on the part of Xavier or its basketball program.
    This ^

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    Quote Originally Posted by AviatorX View Post
    Feel free to list past Xavier classes with two freshman as impressive as Tandy and Freemantle. I can wait. Miles and Ramsey are redshirts - there's no way we can judge them either way at this point.
    I don't have an opinion about the kid in question, but we've had a few good recreating classes that can match Tandy & Free. I'm 95% sure I got these accurate....

    2018- Scruggs, Marshall

    2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara

    2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford

    2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF

    2005- Burrell, Duncan

    2004- Doellman, Cage

    1999- West, Chalmers

    1996- Posey, Brown, Williams, Lumpkin

    The Big gap here is between 2009-2015. We had a couple few players (Dee Davis, Farr, Reynolds) come through as standard "recruits", but we also relied heavily on Transfers: Crawford, McLean, Walker, Taylor, Philmore, StainTrain, Abel, Gaston

    I don't think we are different here from other schools. The 4 man classes that hit (Tu's class, and Trevon's class) were enough to carry us for a few years. If we hit on 2 of three next year, and Miles or Ramsey hit, we will be in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XU 87 View Post
    In his first two recruiting classes, Steele has received 8 commitments, seven of which were four star recruits.

    One of those recruits, Miles, is from Northern Kentucky. He is the only three star in this group, and it has been written that he has the potential to be the best recruit from X's 2019 recruiting class.
    We need him to be every bit as good as advertised (by Steele). If he is that good next year, we could be a BE contender. If he is still a work in progress, we may be in the middle of the pack once again. That is how important I think he is to this team.

    Freemantle will prove to be a solid post player again next year, but we really need a very athletic big who can get above the rim- who can score and block and rebound - and play solid defense. I’m looking forward to seeing him live up to expectations.

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    I’d like to remind people that Miles has yet to play even 1 minute of actual college game time. He is very athletic. He will be able to jump, rebound, and block shots. But it’s still going to take Jim time to adjust to game speed and to get his timing down. Don’t expect to much to soon. Give him time to develop, don’t expect a superstar right away (if ever), and don’t be disappointed when he isn’t one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    I don't have an opinion about the kid in question, but we've had a few good recreating classes that can match Tandy & Free. I'm 95% sure I got these accurate....

    2018- Scruggs, Marshall

    2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara

    2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford

    2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF

    2005- Burrell, Duncan

    2004- Doellman, Cage

    1999- West, Chalmers

    1996- Posey, Brown, Williams, Lumpkin

    The Big gap here is between 2009-2015. We had a couple few players (Dee Davis, Farr, Reynolds) come through as standard "recruits", but we also relied heavily on Transfers: Crawford, McLean, Walker, Taylor, Philmore, StainTrain, Abel, Gaston

    I don't think we are different here from other schools. The 4 man classes that hit (Tu's class, and Trevon's class) were enough to carry us for a few years. If we hit on 2 of three next year, and Miles or Ramsey hit, we will be in good shape.
    Since 2000 based on points and rebounds as a freshman. Looks like 2004, 2005 and 2006 was the most solid with three consecutive pretty solid freshman classes. Then it was like every three years. That class with JP, Sumner, Trevon and Sean was really solid. If this class coming in is as good as it looks like on paper, we could be on for some really good teams moving forward.

    Zach and KyKy - 14.2 ppg and 5.6 reds

    2018- Scruggs, Marshall - 12.6 ppg and 4.4 rbds

    2015- Trevon, JP, Sumner, O'Mara - 17.9 and 6.1 - (Sumner RS)

    2009- Tu, Lyons, Freese, Redford - 16 and 6.3

    2006- Raymond, Brown, JOHNNY WOLF - 12.4 and 7.1

    2005- Burrell, Duncan - 18.9 and 5.5

    2004- Doellman, Cage - 11.9 and 7

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    Quote Originally Posted by drudy23 View Post
    The kid is big, but I think it's going to take him 2-3 years to get acclimated to the highest level of college basketball. He kind of reminds me of Frease.

    He will probably be a decent player after some development, as he likely has a good work ethic and good basketball IQ coming from Moeller, but I don't think we're missing out on the next big impact big man at Xavier.
    He has a lot of potential. A true back to the basket kid with decent feet. Needs to get tougher and bring a bit of an attitude. He is very disciplined and is a typical smart bb player coming out of Moeller (thanks to coach Kremer). I would have loved to have him but wish him well at IU and will root for him.

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