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    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    There just needs to be more of this bullet imo:

    "Taking steps towards relaxing certain measures for vaccinated people may help improve COVID-19 vaccine acceptance and uptake."

    And I have no problem requiring people to show proof of vaccination to be able to do different things or relax certain restrictions. Give incentive to others to get vaccinated.
    That's how I feel. I don't really have a problem continuing to mask up in stores or whatever, but I do think that the idea of having to still take full precautions after being vaccinated is a bit ridiculous. I get that it's much easier for businesses to just require masks from everyone, but still...
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    Quote Originally Posted by boozehound View Post
    That's how I feel. I don't really have a problem continuing to mask up in stores or whatever, but I do think that the idea of having to still take full precautions after being vaccinated is a bit ridiculous. I get that it's much easier for businesses to just require masks from everyone, but still...
    Either that or show your vaccination card when entering the store...which seems a bit much.
    We go to senior hour at Costco. Everybody has to mask to get in. Doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulxu View Post
    Either that or show your vaccination card when entering the store...which seems a bit much.
    We go to senior hour at Costco. Everybody has to mask to get in. Doesn't seem to be much of a problem.
    Again, it isnt a problem in general to wear a mask (well for most normal people) but the point I think you are missing Paul, is that there are a decent % of people out there who are on the fence about getting the vaccine, that if given the ability to not have to follow some restrictions if they got vaccinated, would get vaccinated. They however see the rules are the same for everyone vaccinated or not and decide what's the point of getting the vaccine?

    I see this attitude in nursing homes we do business in. There were no different rules for those vaccinated and those not. It caused a whole lot of healthcare workers to say "screw it" to the vaccine who work with the most vulnerable population.

    Just this week did Ohio make some changes for those vaccinated. In nursing homes this whole time practically every employee had to be tested for COVID twice a week. Just this week did they change it to once a week for those vaccinated and twice a week still for those not. Honestly even that is incentive if you can reduce by 50% how often you have to have that test shoved up into your brain. That change should have happened months ago.

    The goal should be getting as many people motivated to get the vaccine as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    Again, it isnt a problem in general to wear a mask (well for most normal people) but the point I think you are missing Paul, is that there are a decent % of people out there who are on the fence about getting the vaccine, that if given the ability to not have to follow some restrictions if they got vaccinated, would get vaccinated. They however see the rules are the same for everyone vaccinated or not and decide what's the point of getting the vaccine?

    I see this attitude in nursing homes we do business in. There were no different rules for those vaccinated and those not. It caused a whole lot of healthcare workers to say "screw it" to the vaccine who work with the most vulnerable population.

    Just this week did Ohio make some changes for those vaccinated. In nursing homes this whole time practically every employee had to be tested for COVID twice a week. Just this week did they change it to once a week for those vaccinated and twice a week still for those not. Honestly even that is incentive if you can reduce by 50% how often you have to have that test shoved up into your brain. That change should have happened months ago.

    The goal should be getting as many people motivated to get the vaccine as possible.
    I agree with this. I get that it is difficult to screen everybody all the time for vaccination status in public places that require a mask, so the easy thing to do is just require the mask for everyone.

    In a situation that you mention in which you are dealing with a stable group of employees it absolutely makes sense to relax restrictions for the vaccinated population.

    For me, I was happy to get vaccinated for a few reasons:

    1. Reduce the spread of COVID 19 so we can all go back to normal
    2. Return to socializing indoors, visiting family, etc.
    3. Doing whatever I want without having to worry about contracting COVID
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    Here's a comprehensive article chronicling the buffoonery of our government COVID anti-science response, from the negligible effects on children to asymptomatic spread, to the inefficacy of masks. Enjoy.
    Masking: A Careful Review of the Evidence – AIER
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    TEXAS. Fully open. Cases & Deaths falling despite sky falling “expert” predictions.
    New York, New Jersey CT etc still with huge restrictions. Cases rising still.
    Maybe all this panic stuff of a year with a disease with a 99.7% surviveability rate was, uh, overstated?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterofreality View Post
    TEXAS. Fully open. Cases & Deaths falling despite sky falling ďexpertĒ predictions.
    New York, New Jersey CT etc still with huge restrictions. Cases rising still.
    Maybe all this panic stuff of a year with a disease with a 99.7% surviveability rate was, uh, overstated?
    C'mon MOR, posting the survivability rate, like it is some sort of gotcha, is so intellectually lazy. Look at the death numbers, look at those who didn't die but are stuck with lifelong complications.

    Are there arguments to be made some things should have been handled differently? Of course. But pretending like COVID has been no big deal? Ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z View Post
    C'mon MOR, posting the survivability rate, like it is some sort of gotcha, is so intellectually lazy. Look at the death numbers, look at those who didn't die but are stuck with lifelong complications.

    Are there arguments to be made some things should have been handled differently? Of course. But pretending like COVID has been no big deal? Ridiculous.
    Easily explained... One only has to look at this analysis (among others I've posted in this thread):

    "This site recently ran an article covering the brave exploits of Minnesota gubernatorial candidate Dr. Scott Jensen. He and a colleague in the state legislature uncovered evidence that somewhere between 25-40% of Minnesota’s death certificates listed Covid as the cause of death when, in fact, that was not true. Examples of drowning, automobile accidents, and even just potential exposure found out after the fact have been included in the state’s tally. For his efforts of merely pointing out the obvious, he was threatened with revocation of his medical license.

    Exaggerated figures are just the first part of a larger narrative problem. By digging into publicly available – but unreported data – the astounding fact is that almost two-thirds of all Covid deaths in the state occurred in just long-term care facilities. What this means is that a minute percentage of an already-sequestered population contributed to the vast majority of totals used to justify the inducement of fear and the erosion of individual liberties. The foreboding, but ultimately false, narrative has enabled the perpetuation of freedom-scorching executive orders and the cessation of common sense thinking in at least half the state’s duped population. "


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