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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
    I won’t because I’m not wrong. AT ALL. Is that to say the SCOTUS hasn’t found a way to rule through the invention of a right or to take rights from the States or The People? No. That’s why their rulings have been overturned and precisely why precedent is a garbage argument.

    Remember when you read it, power and Rights come from the Creator and the People. The States created the Federal gov’t with the intent to limit it’s authority.

    You don’t Civics at all bro.
    Again, the Supreme Court interprets the constitution, you’re extremely wrong.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx

    You sound like a complete idiot and a pompous prick at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Again, the Supreme Court interprets the constitution, you’re extremely wrong.

    https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/constitutional.aspx

    You sound like a complete idiot and a pompous prick at that.
    You didn’t read past the first two paragraphs did you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
    They don’t. Sorry you believe that. They do not have the power to interpret Amendments. What do they rule on? Whether laws passed by the Fed/States violate the Constitution. Are they involved at all in the Amendment process? How is the Constitution changed or updated?

    It will be helpful when you actually read the document to pay attention to the 10th Amendment. Remember it still is the law for the Amendments that follow. It would help you to understand why things like gun laws vary between the States and why Congress can’t touch that issue and why the SCOTUS takes many of those cases as 2A is the stopgap to go to for overreach by a State gov’t.

    Now with the 2nd, it becomes tricky because it doesn’t say “Congress shall pass no law”. It’s left as shall not be infringed so the real question is whether the States can restrict gun rights at all. Which is why the argument made to not by the SCOTUS is around the whether the Amendment’s two clauses can be or are separate. And here we are with many State law challenges. If you’ve read the Federalist Papers and the writers of the document, their intention is very clear.
    It’s absolutely hysterical that you just said the Supreme Court interprets the constitution without saying the word and you probably don’t even realize it. And yet, you don’t think the Supreme Court interprets the constitution…fascinating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Brew View Post
    You didn’t read past the first two paragraphs did you?
    Oh you mean this part:

    The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court’s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of "judicial review" has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a "living Constitution" whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations.


    That means they interpret the constitution, since you apparently don’t understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    It’s absolutely hysterical that you just said the Supreme Court interprets the constitution without saying the word and you probably don’t even realize it. And yet, you don’t think the Supreme Court interprets the constitution…fascinating
    How do they interpret it? What do they decide? They interpret whether the Laws made are in violation of it. I’m splitting hairs on purpose because “interpretation” in the modern sense has given the Court the power to rule outside of its authority and create law. The interpretation is whether the laws passed violate the Constitution and the Rights of the People/States not the other way around.

    Much of the confusion over the Court’s power was created by the early/mid 20th C Progressive movement (not the same as the current one. Somewhat similar but different). The Courts seated by those Presidents began creating law through torturing the language to get it to say whatever they wanted to create laws/regulations that would never pass the Amendment process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Oh you mean this part:

    The complex role of the Supreme Court in this system derives from its authority to invalidate legislation or executive actions which, in the Court’s considered judgment, conflict with the Constitution. This power of "judicial review" has given the Court a crucial responsibility in assuring individual rights, as well as in maintaining a "living Constitution" whose broad provisions are continually applied to complicated new situations.


    That means they interpret the constitution, since you apparently don’t understand.
    No, I agree with that. It states they rule on whether the laws and other mandates violate the Constitution. Not that they interpret the Rights/limitations outlined within.

    Oh, except the “living document” BS. It lives through the Amendment process. All other “living” changes are handled via the States and the People. The Court only has the power to rule if a State infringes Constitutionally protected Rights of the people outlined in the document. Which is why the 10 Amendment matters.
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    Now that we’ve beat the power of the Court to death. Ask yourself. If you believe in precedent do you want to give the Federal government the power to mandate the medical treatments you receive and the tests you must take before you can earn a living or function in society? I’d love for more people to choose to get vaccinated but giving the Federal Gov’t and the Executive branch this amount of power could lead to future outcomes you may very much dislike.
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    Is it OK for a state government to mandate it, like they do for kids to attend public schools?
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    You can think what you want about this, and I don’t think government should have a hand in it, but the reality is that it’s probably going to go effective. Think about aca and other rules/regs government has mandated to private businesses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xville View Post
    Understand science by following what most of the medical community says or doing internet sleuthing and thinking you know more than they do because you did your own research?
    Most of the scientific community believes what I believe. The media and politicians just won't let you hear that.
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