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    Quote Originally Posted by AviatorX View Post
    There's nothing to believe or not believe.

    It's not blaming the players to say their skill sets (in combination) do not lend themselves to playing the offensive system you want to see. It's not an excuse for the coaches - go ahead and blame them 100% for roster construction - it's just reality.

    No coach in their right mind would build the roster Xavier has right now, but unfortunately there's no free agency or trade market in college basketball so it takes time to turn the roster over. The class of 2018 and the complementary pieces of the class of 2017 are complete zeroes across the board. That takes its toll. That's before we even get into the complicated merits of the class of 2016.

    Let's make it even simpler than roster construction vs. coaching. Do you think this is what Travis Steele wants the offense to look like? I certainly do not. But apparently you do.
    Travis Steele has blown out 2 shooters- Elias Harden who, when he got a court sniff like against Auburn and Villanova last year, performed well. Construction minus 1.
    Dahmir Bishop was a 4 star shooter and actively recruited by Steele. He blew him out too. Construction minus 2.
    Why did they leave? No playing time. Why??
    Maybe because this staff had no clue on how to use them thru a better system. Just like they continue to play ineffective Jason Carter 28 minutes a game. 3 points 2 rebounds. Bunny misser. In game construction Minus 3.
    It’s the whole package of trash with this staff .

    Finally. This offense that Steele is running is the same as last year, which sucked too, and with arguably better shooters than this year. Welage > Carter. Hardin was arguably better than Castlin. Last years system= this year’s system. Both simplistic. Both easily defensed. Both not using the best attributes. Both causing tons of turnovers. It’s the only offense he apparently knows. That is a problem.
    Last edited by Masterofreality; 02-24-2020 at 06:43 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierj View Post
    That’s hilarious. Man I love your passion, but I am worried. At what point did Q ever show more than what he is?
    Amazing how hilarious you are not remembering 2018? Remember how everyone was thanking their stars that Q would be a 4 year guy and we didn’t take Kobi Simmons as a one year guy. Q has been coached down since Steele’s staff took over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterofreality View Post
    Travis Steele has blown out 2 shooters- Elias Harden who, when he got a court sniff like against Auburn and Villanova last year, performed well. Construction minus 1.
    Dahmir Bishop was a 4 star shooter and actively recruited by Steele. He blew him out too. Construction minus 2.
    Why did they leave? No playing time. Why??
    Maybe because this staff had no clue on how to use them thru a better system. Just like they continue to play ineffective Jason Carter 28 minutes a game. 3 points 2 rebounds. Bunny misser. In game construction Minus 3.
    It’s the whole package of trash with this staff .

    Finally. This offense that Steele is running is the same as last year, which sucked too, and with arguably better shooters than this year. Welage > Carter. Hardin was arguably better than Castlin. Last years system= this year’s system. Both simplistic. Both easily defensed. Both not using the best attributes. Both causing tons of turnovers. It’s the only offense he apparently knows. That is a problem.
    Honestly, do you care that you repeatedly just say things that are undercut by actual facts?

    Elias Harden totally transferred because he was misused by Steele. You should probably shoot a note to Ray Harper with whatever magic elixir you have to turn Harden into a productive high-major player, because he's currently ripping the nets at 29% from distance and 37% from two at Jacksonville State, a below .500 OVC squad. His ORTG is a sizzling 89, which is lower than Jason Carter.

    Bishop transferred 14 games into his career to be closer to home. Are you really going to put that on Steele? Did you ride Mack for "blowing out" Jared Ridder? Also, who knows what Bishop will do at St. Joes, but he was flat out awful in his limited time at Xavier. If he was getting minutes now putting up those numbers, you'd be ripping Steele for that.

    As for the "only offense Steele knows", it would be cool if you could let us in on some of your keen observations on the differences between the system Mack ran and the one Steele runs. Inquiring minds want to know. What are the team's best attributes that aren't being used?

    It's beyond me how several posters on here seem to think Steele is a moron. That's basically the argument you're making when you write things along the lines of "the offense needs more motion" and "this team doesn't know how to use screens." Do you really think Travis hasn't considered stuff like that? This is high major D1 basketball, not rec league - we don't need to go through some process of elimination to determine what offensive systems will and won't work with a particular group. The coaching staff gets the benefit of the doubt of that assessment, in my (and anyone who is reasonable's) opinion.
    Last edited by AviatorX; 02-24-2020 at 07:22 PM.

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    travis steele ran off shooters? bishop shot 15%. who are these supposed shooters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterofreality View Post
    Travis Steele has blown out 2 shooters- Elias Harden who, when he got a court sniff like against Auburn and Villanova last year, performed well. Construction minus 1.
    Dahmir Bishop was a 4 star shooter and actively recruited by Steele. He blew him out too. Construction minus 2.
    Why did they leave? No playing time. Why??
    Maybe because this staff had no clue on how to use them thru a better system. Just like they continue to play ineffective Jason Carter 28 minutes a game. 3 points 2 rebounds. Bunny misser. In game construction Minus 3.
    It’s the whole package of trash with this staff .

    Finally. This offense that Steele is running is the same as last year, which sucked too, and with arguably better shooters than this year. Welage > Carter. Hardin was arguably better than Castlin. Last years system= this year’s system. Both simplistic. Both easily defensed. Both not using the best attributes. Both causing tons of turnovers. It’s the only offense he apparently knows. That is a problem.
    Harden had an ugly, inconsistent shot and as mentioned, it has not improved against lesser competition. Bishop looked soft and timid, would have liked to see him stay but he got the minutes his play warranted at the time. Was in a position to earn more time but decided to move on. You are slipping MOR.
    Personnel or lack thereof is the issue that needs to be addressed. I am confident the offense and Steele will be fine once he has a PG and some shooters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masterofreality View Post
    Amazing how hilarious you are not remembering 2018? Remember how everyone was thanking their stars that Q would be a 4 year guy and we didn’t take Kobi Simmons as a one year guy. Q has been coached down since Steele’s staff took over.
    We get it you hate Steele. Uncle. Enjoy.

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    One other thought, the Goodin regression coincided with loss of any outside threat. His game got exposed and he has not adjusted or recovered from the loss of Tre, JP and even Gates, who helped spread the floor and opened up driving lanes and created opportunities and open looks for everyone else.
    Last edited by JEHARDI; 02-24-2020 at 08:06 PM.

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    Mack got punked by Hamilton again, maybe MOR can pass along some of his coaching expertise to help a fellow alum!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JEHARDI View Post
    One other thought, the Goodin regression coincided with loss of any outside threat. His game got exposed and he has not adjusted or recovered from the loss of Tre, JP and even Gates, who helped spread the floor and opened up driving lanes and created opportunities and open look for everyone else.
    Agreed. The lack of any consistent outside threat has had a big impact on Q. It’s had a impact of Naji, too. Both find the lane more clogged which reduces their success with drives to the hoop compared to when JP and Tre were there. This makes what Tyrique has been doing that much more impressive since he has more bodies on him now.


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    Quote Originally Posted by xavierj View Post
    We get it you hate Steele. Uncle. Enjoy.
    Who among us could forget when Xavier told Kobi Simmons he couldn't come here. Lol.

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