I'm with you. We should expect consistent excellence, that is what we have steadily built for decades - better and more consistent as time goes by. Why all of the sudden we accept 3 years of mediocrity (as has been suggested) without expressing concern and discussing possible reasons, problems and solutions. The answers we have are mostly speculative and without a great deal of direct knowledge (very little on my part). If we love this team, we will back them win or lose, but we would rather they win and expect them to. It is exactly because of the passion for this team that drives our intense need for answers to our disappointment.
We should and need to expect excellence. We want to keep building the program to conference championships and FFs and eventually a NC. An occasional backslide is not unexpected but not for multiple years. We've come too far to accept mediocrity. And we don't need to apologize for it.
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Thread: Coach Steele
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01-18-2020, 04:00 PM #311
Last edited by UCGRAD4X; 01-18-2020 at 04:02 PM.
I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I drink 2XS.
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01-18-2020, 04:04 PM #312
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01-18-2020, 04:04 PM #313
I said the Butler decline was on post-Holtmann right up until it wasnÂ’t. Hint: that means after he left. JordanÂ’s first year was good, but he inherited a senior Kelan Martin. After that, recruiting took a concerning nosedive and Butler was terrible last year (finished with a losing record). They were picked 8th in the BE this season, an assessment no one really questioned. There were definitely concerns. Now, theyÂ’re on pace for a protected seed out of nowhere. There are dips at programs like Xavier and Butler, especially when entire recruiting classes vanish.
The way youÂ’ve written the narrative around Brandon Miller and Collier is so delusional. Are you honestly saying you donÂ’t think Brandon Miller has off the court issues? Why do you think heÂ’s essentially become a recluse and has not taken a job at any level in college basketball, despite having the continued endorsement of Brad Stevens, who is universally acknowledged as an elite basketball mind?
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01-18-2020, 04:13 PM #314
Butler had a losing Big East record, but not an overall losing record. In fact, everyone (even DePaul) ended up with a postseason bid.
That said, I honestly don't know why Butler didn't just directly hire Holtmann after Stevens left for Boston. Unless there was some loophole in his Gardner-Webb contract that would have had a buyout for taking another head coaching job yet said nothing about taking an assistant job elsewhere.
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01-18-2020, 04:17 PM #315
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01-18-2020, 04:20 PM #316
I've written no narrative. I laid out a factual timeline. Are you saying that Barry Collier didn't have a backup plan ready? Are you saying hiring Chris Holtmann when he did meant nothing? What the hell are you saying? Yeah, Jordan's first year was good. The next year he had a similar roster as Xavier last year with similar results. This year they're Number 5 with 2 returning seniors- McDermott is a lesser player than Tyrique and I'd rate Baldwin equal to Naji. We are flopping. Did you say that Xavier's Elite 8 run two years ago was "out of nowhere" too? I'd like to see your quotes from 2 years ago. Good coaches make adjustments and make iish happen. What makes you think this current guy can adjust?
What is Xavier's back up plan?"I Got CHAMPIONS in that Lockerroom!" -Stanley Burrell
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01-18-2020, 04:22 PM #317
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01-18-2020, 04:28 PM #318
You have repeatedly alluded to the thought that Brandon Miller was essentially fired under the cover of a contrived medical leave of absence. That’s the narrative.
If it comes down to it, I’d much rather burn it to the ground and go full rebuild than hire a guy with two losing seasons and a CIT appearance at Gardner Webb. You would riot if that’s what Xavier did.
Obviously Greg Christopher has a shortlist like any AD does. The way you think about things though, maybe we already have an emergency backup on staff in Matt Graves and will wait until next October to convince Steele to take fake medical leave?Last edited by AviatorX; 01-18-2020 at 04:30 PM.
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01-18-2020, 04:43 PM #319
And you continually miss the point and still haven't given Collier the credit for having a solid backup plan. Butler is Number 5 in the country. We stink with few answers or improvement. Butler and Xavier have similar rosters. They controlled the damage. To date we are not.
Welp. Matt Graves was a Head Coach, but he stunk and was fired. Not nearly as successful as Holtmann who had just been given a contract extension, in fact Graves' teams never made a post season. And this team's offense is as bad as before, the rebounding is a disaster and the defense stinks too. If he's the backup plan and if that's who Steele thinks is a guy who can help, Lord help us.
And the fact that you would not have hired Chris Holtmann tells me that you know absolutely zero about basketball. So this discussion between us is over. Keep doing your mindless accusations and reckless finger pointing tho. I'm sure you give yourself the warm and fuzzies...or is that from Xavier's current dumpster fire? Hmmmm."I Got CHAMPIONS in that Lockerroom!" -Stanley Burrell
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01-18-2020, 04:49 PM #320
Yeah I’m sure Chris Holtmann was at the top of your short list for Big East head jobs at the time. Please. 1000% credit to Butler for adding him to their staff, it was obviously a tremendous hire. I just don’t think the plan was for him to be the head coach two months later after Butler faked a medical leave situation to usher Miller out. That’s what you said.
I haven’t said anything positive about the current situation at Xavier in this back and forth, so not really sure I get the warm and fuzzies comment.
Coming from you, don’t think there’s anyway to take a shot at my basketball knowledge as anything but a compliment.
Mindless accusations and reckless finger pointing? Do me a favor and go back and re read what you said about Brandon Miller. It’s honestly so stupid it’s impressive.
Not sure why I’m arguing with the guy who thinks nicknames like Beaknose and Desert Racoon are funny. I guess thats on me.Last edited by AviatorX; 01-18-2020 at 04:54 PM.
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