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    Quote Originally Posted by 94GRAD View Post
    They should have used a trolleybus system like the $1 to ride Southbank Shuttle in NKY. They would have been able to move the routes during festivals and spent 1/10th of the cost of the streetcar while making money!
    Buses aren't proven to increase nearby property values like fixed rail does. If anything bus stops are viewed as negatives. And public transportation is never profitable. Not in NYC, not in Europe, nowhere. Those that expect the streetcar to be profitable are people with zero knowledge of how public transportation works.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juice View Post
    Jesus, you drink the PG/Landsmen/Seelbach kool aid I see.
    The fact that a traffic study hasn't been done in decades is just idiotic from countless mayors and councilmen/women. Since the last traffic study all of these things and more have happened downtown: Rebuild of FWW, creation of the banks, moving fountain square, development of OTR, creation of Great American tower, addition of the streetcar, creation of government square, development of the casino, ect.

    You think the traffic patterns from the early 90's are the same as what people are doing today? The study would make getting around downtown faster and safer for everyone. Drivers, pedestrians, bus riders and streetcar riders. But hur dur the streetcar is dumb so a traffic study isn't needed.

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    Well this thread went down the tubes in quick order, didn’t it?

    I’m certainly not surprised that the games are being moved. I think they were just be used as leverage to try and get SOMEBODY to invest in that dump, and that they probably had Indy in mind as a backup all along.

    No reason to believe that either the city or the county will ever be that somebody either. Prediction.....There will be an new arena in NKY before the riverfront one is ever redone completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XUGRAD80 View Post
    Well this thread went down the tubes in quick order, didn’t it?

    I’m certainly not surprised that the games are being moved. I think they were just be used as leverage to try and get SOMEBODY to invest in that dump, and that they probably had Indy in mind as a backup all along.

    No reason to believe that either the city or the county will ever be that somebody either. Prediction.....There will be an new arena in NKY before the riverfront one is ever redone completely.
    Why should they be the ones to overhaul it? They don't own it. How many business owners have a government entity pay for their upgrades?

    There's lot of evidence to see that government owned venues like this are money losers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirthought View Post
    And it is his fault, along with Kasich, that we lost the funding to go to Clifton.
    Yes, if they would have just run that damn thing to Clifton, droves of people who make that commute to and fro daily would have filled it and pumped millions, if not billions, into the Cincinnati economy. F—- that Cranley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sirthought View Post
    Why should they be the ones to overhaul it? They don't own it. How many business owners have a government entity pay for their upgrades?
    Mike Brown, for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirthought View Post
    Why should they be the ones to overhaul it? They don't own it. How many business owners have a government entity pay for their upgrades?

    There's lot of evidence to see that government owned venues like this are money losers.
    It seems to be SOP in Cincinnati/Hamilton Co. doesn’t it? Not that I AM in favor of it though, I’m not. However, us NKY people really love that you’ve built us some new stadiums. Now if you could just get some good teams to play in them.....

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    Have fun paying a toll to come to Cincinnati to work, and watch our bad teams play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slysyl View Post
    Have fun paying a toll to come to Cincinnati to work, and watch our bad teams play.
    I don’t do either of those things anymore......yay!

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    Any school that wants to host NCAA Tournament games is nuts.
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