FBI has arrested several NCAA asst. basketball coaches in a corruption scheme.

[xubrew]

I'd add a third category of people...those that know there is cheating but no longer really care because the ncaa is so damn corrupt and picks and chooses who gets in trouble based on a flip of a coin.

I would describe the NCAA as a clusterfuck. I don't think it's so much corrupt (at least not holistically from the top down) as much as it is lacking in adequacy to an almost comedic level.

I will say that I think a lot of people within various areas of the NCAA have known about this for a long time, but did not feel they could do anything about it. And, they were probably right. What authority does an NCAA investigator really have? What authority does a staffer really have? They may have some influence over the schools, but they have no influence at all over the apparel companies, or the agents, or the runners. So, while it looks like they're looking the other way, I think it's more accurate to say they just don't think looking at it will do all that much good. That's why I'm actually glad that the FBI is finally busting some of this up.

[xubrew]

The other thing that the NCAA has its hands full with right now is that they've basically been getting their asses kicked in court in every single student-athletes rights case since 2016.

I haven't seen anyone make this connection yet, but I think there probably is a connection. If the NCAA keeps fighting this like they have been, I think they will eventually lose. The letter of the law just isn't on their side. You can say you feel that it's right for players to be paid or to not be paid, but we are pretty much past that right now. They lost the O'Bannon case. The NLRB ruled with the Northwestern players in stating that they are employees. If (and really WHEN) the issue is finally pushed that the NCAA's current structure constitutes price fixing, I don't see how they could argue against it. There is a stated limit on what players, who the NLRB says are employees, can receive, and 353 schools agree to it. That's illegal. Furthermore, if the question comes up whether or not schools would pay athletes if they were allowed to do so? then how can the NCAA possibly argue that schools wouldn't pay players if they were allowed to do so when schools are already paying players when they're NOT allowed to do so??

So, what happens if that happens? Can anyone that's on trial now have their convictions (if found guilty) upheld if it's also ruled that the NCAA is guilty of price fixing, and denying the players the right to be paid their market rates is against the law?

[xavierj]

I repeat:

Kenny Frease-top 50

Lyons- top 100

Holloway- decommit from IU, but also had offers from OSU, Marquette, and Oklahoma.

D. Brown- per 247, he chose X over Mich. State, NC State and Wake (and UD, but that is a bad argument).

Kevin Parrom was a top 100, although he de-committed.

Josh Duncan- top 100. Chose X over UK.

Adrion Graves- didn't play much, but chose X over Purdue, Seton Hall, and UC. (And Dayton).

Dante Jackson- top 100.

Lyons and Redford were three stars and again none of these guys were all stars that anyone would pay for which is what this thread is about. Sean Miller paid Ayton $10K a month at Arizona, based on who he recruited to Xavier, he wasn’t doing that at Xavier it if he was he wasn’t getting 5 stars, which are the guys that get paid.

[bjf123]

Oops! Doesn’t look good for Sean.

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[xubrew]

Lyons and Redford were three stars and again none of these guys were all stars that anyone would pay for which is what this thread is about. Sean Miller paid Ayton $10K a month at Arizona, based on who he recruited to Xavier, he wasn’t doing that at Xavier it if he was he wasn’t getting 5 stars, which are the guys that get paid.

Maybe they were paying players at Xavier. Maybe they weren't. But anyone who says that five star players are the only ones being paid has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I honestly really don't care. If they didn't pay players, then great. If they did pay players, then I'm actually okay with it so long as they own it and say that they no longer want this to be a part of the game. Shit happens, and it happens at a lot of places with a lot of players. I just hope that if they're called on it (which they probably won't be, to be honest) they don't try and pretend it didn't happen if it actually did happen.

[MHettel]

But anyone who says that five star players are the only ones being paid has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

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Thats a bloated statement. You say it as if it is factual. Please provide such facts.

[xavierj]

Thats a bloated statement. You say it as if it is factual. Please provide such facts.

Yep

[xavierj]

Maybe they were paying players at Xavier. Maybe they weren't. But anyone who says that five star players are the only ones being paid has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.

I honestly really don't care. If they didn't pay players, then great. If they did pay players, then I'm actually okay with it so long as they own it and say that they no longer want this to be a part of the game. Shit happens, and it happens at a lot of places with a lot of players. I just hope that if they're called on it (which they probably won't be, to be honest) they don't try and pretend it didn't happen if it actually did happen.

I have some first hand knowledge of the recruiting game, although football, and coaches just are not going to pay everyone. Not every coach is paying and there is no reason to to do it if you are not getting the upper 1% of high school athletes. So maybe you really have no idea what you are talking about. Some might get some extra benefits but not the cash payments, which is happening with A select few athletes.

[xubrew]

Thats a bloated statement. You say it as if it is factual. Please provide such facts.

How about if I just explain basically how it works??

In my opinion the real culprits are the sports agencies such as ASM, and AAC, and several others. The apparel companies basically funnel money to the agencies to help steer their top shelf athletes and clients toward them. It's then a trickle down effect because the agencies then reaches out to AAU coaches and college coaches to try and build relationships with professional prospects so they can sign them and "financially advise" them or "manage" them. Anyone, even a player who can make money playing in Europe, is likely to be targeted. Even players who weren't big targets while they were being recruited can become targeted later on while they're playing in college.

Like I said earlier, it's the againts/advisors/managers that I view as the problem. There are countless examples of players (who really are just college kids) who have had their lives ruined, their money stolen, and their chances of finishing college go away because of these "advisors." "Give me access to all your money and I'll take care of it." And, a lot of them do. On top of that, the college and AAU coaches who should be protecting these kids from these types of people are instead steering them toward them because they're getting money funneled to them as well.

So, when you see a program that has a certain apparel deal, even if it's not a P5 program or a program with NBA level players but still produces pro prospects, and all of their players start signing with the same AAC, or ASM, or whatever agency, then it's kind of hard to not be suspicious of that. Especially if it happens after the arrival of a new assistant coach or recruiting specialist that's getting their players from a lot of the same AAU pipelines.

[xubrew]

I have some first hand knowledge of the recruiting game, although football, and coaches just are not going to pay everyone. Not every coach is paying and there is no reason to to do it if you are not getting the upper 1% of high school athletes. So maybe you really have no idea what you are talking about. Some might get some extra benefits but not the cash payments, which is happening with A select few athletes.

Okay, you HONESTLY think that only one percent of college basketball players are getting paid?? You REALLY think that??

You know what?? Nevermind. It isn't worth having a conversation because we're just too far apart on what we think the facts are.

I'm not saying XAVIER paid players while Miller was there. I honestly have no idea. I'm just saying that just because a school doesn't have five star recruits doesn't mean their players aren't being targeted by agencies and having money funneled to them through the coaches.