Fr Graham Addresses DACA

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Which part infuriated you most? "Whiny"? "Liberal"? Or "leftist"? (Just curious for future reference.)

Have a day.

No uncertain terms, you are a moron and a fool for backing your guy 100% of the time. Guess what, nobody is perfect and certainly least of all the current POTUS.

It's also a moronic statement to say, well your guy wanted to do something wrong so when my guy did the same thing wrong that makes it alright. This is logic a 10 year might use after getting busted for something.

[ron meXico]

No uncertain terms, you are a moron and a fool for backing your guy 100% of the time. Guess what, nobody is perfect and certainly least of all the current POTUS.

It's also a moronic statement to say, well your guy wanted to do something wrong so when my guy did the same thing wrong that makes it alright. This is logic a 10 year might use after getting busted for something.

What is it with you and the name calling? You called someone a bigot a while back and now you call this guy a moron.
Shame - Shame - Shame

[Sonoran Desert Muskie]

That's the thing, DACA doesn't do any of what you say it does here. It doesn't "entitle" or "legalize" anything. It doesn't give legal status, merely defers deportation for certain individuals. Article II of the Constitution gives the President ultimate authority to carry out federal law, so it is within the President's authority to prioritize removal for certain categories of individuals out of the interests of national security or allocation of government resources.

There's a big difference between a president informing CBP and ICE that due to budgetary and staffing issues Dreamers should not be detained or deported and the president not only suspending deportations but also requiring ICE to accept applications from Dreamers and issue them work permits that allow them to remain the country and work here. The former is a valid exercise of the presidential executive authority. The latter legalizes Dreamers (albeit temporarily) and not only contravenes federal law it requires federal employees to violate it.

By your interpretation of executive authority, the president can do whatever the hell he feels is necessary to carry out his agenda.

[kyxu]

There's a big difference between a president informing CBP and ICE that due to budgetary and staffing issues Dreamers should not be detained or deported and the president not only suspending deportations but also requiring ICE to accept applications from Dreamers and issue them work permits that allow them to remain the country and work here. The former is a valid exercise of the presidential executive authority. The latter legalizes Dreamers (albeit temporarily) and not only contravenes federal law it requires federal employees to violate it.

By your interpretation of executive authority, the president can do whatever the hell he feels is necessary to carry out his agenda.

For the 1000th time, DACA provides no legal status. In fact, at any time, DHS has the authority to issue a notice to appear to a DACA recipient, placing the individual in deportation proceedings.

[bobbiemcgee]

For the 1000th time, DACA provides no legal status. In fact, at any time, DHS has the authority to issue a notice to appear to a DACA recipient, placing the individual in deportation proceedings.

Anytime?


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about - No action!
7:42 AM - Sep 7, 2017

[kyxu]

Anytime?


Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
For all of those (DACA) that are concerned about your status during the 6 month period, you have nothing to worry about - No action!
7:42 AM - Sep 7, 2017

I'm interested to hear what you think this means.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, it sounds likes those covered by DACA cannot be deported during the next 6 months and have protection from the POTUS, but then the guy is a chronic and habitual liar, so you might be right.

[kyxu]

Well, it sounds likes those covered by DACA cannot be deported during the next 6 months and have protection from the POTUS, but then the guy is a chronic and habitual liar, so you might be right.

Right. First, he can't protect them from deportation, just as Obama could not without change in the law. Second, he said initially that he wouldn't touch DACA, and he's since rescinded it. I think we all know Trump's tweets aren't worth the buffalo shit on a nickel.

[Sonoran Desert Muskie]

For the 1000th time, DACA provides no legal status. In fact, at any time, DHS has the authority to issue a notice to appear to a DACA recipient, placing the individual in deportation proceedings.

For the 10,000th time, DACA gave Dreamers legal status. Once Dreamers applied for and were approved, they could legally reside in the U.S. (hence, legal status) for 2 years, they received federal work permits, etc. It's no different than visa holders who have legal status for a set duration. Visa holders can be deported if they, for example, commit a crime while in U.S. Same with Dreamers. The fact that Dreamers could be deported during the 2 years doesn't mean they lack legal status. DACA was not a path to citizenship, but it is a temporary legal status.

Title 8 defines those people who are entitled to enter or remain in the country and those who may become naturalized. Dreamers are not included and they are only legally permitted to remain in the country because of DACA. Obama for all practical purposes amended Title 8 via a presidential order. Title 8 should be amended to include Dreamers, but that must be done by Congress, not presidential order.

[kyxu]

For the 10,000th time, DACA gave Dreamers legal status. Once Dreamers applied for and were approved, they could legally reside in the U.S. (hence, legal status) for 2 years, they received federal work permits, etc. It's no different than visa holders who have legal status for a set duration. Visa holders can be deported if they, for example, commit a crime while in U.S. Same with Dreamers. The fact that Dreamers could be deported during the 2 years doesn't mean they lack legal status. DACA was not a path to citizenship, but it is a temporary legal status.

https://www.uscis.gov/archive/consid...-arrivals-daca

From USCIS web site: Deferred action does not provide lawful status.

DACA is VERY different from holding a visa status. Visa holders cannot be deported at any time. There must be an otherwise lawful reason for their removal. DACA recipients can be removed at any time because they are already unlawfully present in the United States, subject to deportation.