Politics Thread

**Xville** · 08-16-2018, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

On your tax item, again if this is such a great plan then why are we only better then Russia in first world income disparity. Why do we have massive poverty? Why do we have an indentured servitude system with student loans?

Second item, so are you saying nobody in Arizona should be teachers? If they can’t make money teaching we shouldn’t have any? It’s their fault for becoming a teacher. It’s not just teaching, it’s all jobs that make 40k.

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bigdiggins · 08-17-2018, 05:53 AM

Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

On your tax item, again if this is such a great plan then why are we only better then Russia in first world income disparity. Why do we have massive poverty? Why do we have an indentured servitude system with student loans?

Second item, so are you saying nobody in Arizona should be teachers? If they can’t make money teaching we shouldn’t have any? It’s their fault for becoming a teacher. It’s not just teaching, it’s all jobs that make 40k.

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I'm saying in your early 20s if you can't make ends meet on $40k you are an idiot that doesn't know how to budget.

**Xville** · 08-17-2018, 07:15 AM

Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

On your tax item, again if this is such a great plan then why are we only better then Russia in first world income disparity. Why do we have massive poverty? Why do we have an indentured servitude system with student loans?

Second item, so are you saying nobody in Arizona should be teachers? If they can’t make money teaching we shouldn’t have any? It’s their fault for becoming a teacher. It’s not just teaching, it’s all jobs that make 40k.

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Quite frankly, taking a job in which you make 40k with limited upside is a choice. Its admirable if you want to be a grade school teacher, but you knew what you were getting yourself into when you made that career choice, so excuse me if I'm not going to feel sorry for you. It is still possible to live on that amount of money.

There are plenty of jobs in which you could save that student loan debt and make 40k at the age of 18 and make upwards of 100k+ mid to late career. Plumbing, Electricians, Truck Drivers, UPS, FedEx etc are all in very high demand and they all pay well after a few years of service...you just have to be willing to work your tail off at the beginning.

Juice · 08-17-2018, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by Xville

Quite frankly, taking a job in which you make 40k with limited upside is a choice. Its admirable if you want to be a grade school teacher, but you knew what you were getting yourself into when you made that career choice, so excuse me if I'm not going to feel sorry for you. It is still possible to live on that amount of money.

There are plenty of jobs in which you could save that student loan debt and make 40k at the age of 18 and make upwards of 100k+ mid to late career. Plumbing, Electricians, Truck Drivers, UPS, FedEx etc are all in very high demand and they all pay well after a few years of service...you just have to be willing to work your tail off at the beginning.

Also:
1) Many if not all teaching jobs offer some/partial loan forgiveness after a certain amount of time being a teacher.
2) Teachers gets raises based on service time very easily. Their time at 40k is short lived.

ArizonaXUGrad · 08-17-2018, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by Xville

Quite frankly, taking a job in which you make 40k with limited upside is a choice. Its admirable if you want to be a grade school teacher, but you knew what you were getting yourself into when you made that career choice, so excuse me if I'm not going to feel sorry for you. It is still possible to live on that amount of money.

There are plenty of jobs in which you could save that student loan debt and make 40k at the age of 18 and make upwards of 100k+ mid to late career. Plumbing, Electricians, Truck Drivers, UPS, FedEx etc are all in very high demand and they all pay well after a few years of service...you just have to be willing to work your tail off at the beginning.

Those jobs exist and your choice argument is tired and just stupid. Teachers are a societal necessity. They also are unable to live on their own.

40k to diggins works in some cities but not in Phoenix. Are we on this board so short sighted that we don’t see the world has changed. I bought a house at 23 on 36k but that was 19 years ago. That was 19 years of inflation and wage stagnation.

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**94GRAD** · 08-17-2018, 09:19 AM

Sen. Warren's plan to redistribute wealth if a company is too successful.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/...oos-hard-left/

**GoMuskies** · 08-17-2018, 09:33 AM

Thanks for the reminder to get started on moving all my assets to Singapore. Just in case.

**Xville** · 08-17-2018, 09:34 AM

Originally Posted by ArizonaXUGrad

Those jobs exist and your choice argument is tired and just stupid. Teachers are a societal necessity. They also are unable to live on their own.

40k to diggins works in some cities but not in Phoenix. Are we on this board so short sighted that we don’t see the world has changed. I bought a house at 23 on 36k but that was 19 years ago. That was 19 years of inflation and wage stagnation.

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In your liberal redistribution of wealth opinion, yes it is. However, it is where most people live...actual reality. Stop talking about how hard it is to be a teacher....hell you get a freaking pension and health benefits when you retire paid minimally by yourself and mostly from us the taxpayers.....talk about a tired and stupid concept.

I agree teachers are a societal necessity but what does that have to do with anything? I also have grade school teacher friends and they somehow live on their own. So don't tell me that's not possible...its bs.