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    Rishad Gaston

    Visiting next week.

    Averaged 16 and 9 at Norfolk State.

    Would sit then have one year left.

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    Visiting nect week.

    Averaged 16 and 9 at Norfolk State.

    Would sir then gave one year left.
    We've had alot of luck with transfers, but I think it's situational dependent. In this case, this kid would take a roster spot for 2 years and only be eligible for one. That the highest cost possible for a transfer.

    The lowest cost possible are the immediately eligible graduate transfers where you have a one-year invetsment and one year worth of returns. And, more often than not the scholarship you give to a grad transfer would likely have gone unused anyway, so the cost is essentially zero.

    Younger transfers are preferred as you get a better "return period"

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    We've had alot of luck with transfers, but I think it's situational dependent. In this case, this kid would take a roster spot for 2 years and only be eligible for one. That the highest cost possible for a transfer.

    The lowest cost possible are the immediately eligible graduate transfers where you have a one-year invetsment and one year worth of returns. And, more often than not the scholarship you give to a grad transfer would likely have gone unused anyway, so the cost is essentially zero.

    Younger transfers are preferred as you get a better "return period"
    Yeah, but not many people are predicting Reynolds to be back after the upcoming season. I think Gaston would be a great stopgap in the rotation that year.

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    For whatever it is worth here's how he did against teams from the high major leagues this past year:

    5 pts 3 rebounds vs Vandy
    6 pts 10 rebounds vs Baylor
    9 pts 6 rebounds vs Georgia

    He had some monster efforts in league play including a 30 pt 18 rebound game but I don't know a whole lot about the MEAC.

    Maybe if brew is reading he can comment on the league.

    He is also apparently visiting Dayton tomorrow.

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    The MEAC would make a bad Division II league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MHettel View Post
    We've had alot of luck with transfers, but I think it's situational dependent. In this case, this kid would take a roster spot for 2 years and only be eligible for one. That the highest cost possible for a transfer.

    The lowest cost possible are the immediately eligible graduate transfers where you have a one-year invetsment and one year worth of returns. And, more often than not the scholarship you give to a grad transfer would likely have gone unused anyway, so the cost is essentially zero.

    Younger transfers are preferred as you get a better "return period"
    Your reasoning here is sound, but you also have to consider the situation. Xavier has two scholarships open for this next year, and we're at the point where I doubt they will fill both of them. That essentially makes him a fifth year transfer who gets a year in the system to prepare. It would obviously be different if we were down to our last scholarship, because then it would be risky. As it is, we only need to worry about whether he's worth it for 2016, and we would still have a scholarship handy for a late recruit or late transfer for 2015.

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    Plus, at least one more scholarship will come open. One always does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XUFan09 View Post
    Your reasoning here is sound, but you also have to consider the situation. Xavier has two scholarships open for this next year, and we're at the point where I doubt they will fill both of them. That essentially makes him a fifth year transfer who gets a year in the system to prepare. It would obviously be different if we were down to our last scholarship, because then it would be risky. As it is, we only need to worry about whether he's worth it for 2016, and we would still have a scholarship handy for a late recruit or late transfer for 2015.
    Got it. Now distill the entire situation down to just 2 options. We have one open scholarship and could take either;

    - A Senior transfer who would redshirt a year and then play for a year.

    or

    - A freshman big-man project that would redshirt and then be eligible for 4 years after that.

    Now, there is a pretty good chance that the transfer player would have a better year in his only season of eligibilgity than the redshirt freshman would have in their first season. But in BOTH cases your shortened your bench in the prior year becasue these guys had to sit out. However, the freshman still has 3 additional years to contribute and potentially could be a real contributor if not a star someday (think Jason Love, who if recruited by XU as a Big East member right now would most certainly be a project an dwould also just as certainly be a great big man by the time he graduates).

    Also, many projects flame out, so there is that....

    Tough decision in my mind on this one.

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    You also have to consider the relative needs:

    - In 2016-2017, we really need a legitimate big to replace Reynolds and Farr. Both are presumably gone, and the only real big is O'Mara (not combo forwards London and Gates), plus whichever freshman/freshmen the staff gets from the 2016 recruiting class. Freshman bigs are generally unreliable, though, so it's safe not to count them.
    - In 2017-2018, we don't need a legitimate big nearly as much. O'Mara will still be here, plus the big or bigs from the 2016 class will be sophomores and much better prepared for D1 ball.

    Basically, Xavier needs a stopgap for Reynolds's likely unfulfilled senior year (2016-2017) much more than they need a guy who is still around for 2017-2018. If they get a guy (like Kyle Washington) who is still around, that's just gravy but not nearly as needed. Because of that, any transfer who would still be "project-y" in 2016-2017 but eligible for year(s) beyond that would not be as valuable as a seasoned player who is only eligible for 2016-2017. The other route is to get a fifth-year transfer a year from now, but that carries risks:

    1) The fifth-year transfer rule might be getting eliminated (which is BS, but that's another issue altogether).
    2) There's a lot of unpredictability in terms of fifth-year transfers when we're still a year away, and there might not be anyone who is (a) the right position, (b) good enough to make an impact at Xavier, and (c) interested in going to Xavier. Even if they find players who fit all three criteria, they still need to get a commitment from one of them, which doesn't necessarily happen even when the player would have a great opportunity to succeed (like Alex Oriakhi back in 2013, but he chose Mizzou over Xavier).
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    Quote Originally Posted by XUFan09 View Post
    You also have to consider the relative needs:

    - In 2016-2017, we really need a legitimate big to replace Reynolds and Farr. Both are presumably gone, and the only real big is O'Mara (not combo forwards London and Gates), plus whichever freshman/freshmen the staff gets from the 2016 recruiting class. Freshman bigs are generally unreliable, though, so it's safe not to count them.
    - In 2017-2018, we don't need a legitimate big nearly as much. O'Mara will still be here, plus the big or bigs from the 2016 class will be sophomores and much better prepared for D1 ball.

    Basically, Xavier needs a stopgap for Reynolds's likely unfulfilled senior year (2016-2017) much more than they need a guy who is still around for 2017-2018. If they get a guy (like Kyle Washington) who is still around, that's just gravy but not nearly as needed. Because of that, any transfer who would still be "project-y" in 2016-2017 but eligible for year(s) beyond that would not be as valuable as a seasoned player who is only eligible for 2016-2017. The other route is to get a fifth-year transfer a year from now, but that carries risks:

    1) The fifth-year transfer rule might be getting eliminated (which is BS, but that's another issue altogether).
    2) There's a lot of unpredictability in terms of fifth-year transfers when we're still a year away, and there might not be anyone who is (a) the right position, (b) good enough to make an impact at Xavier, and (c) interested in going to Xavier. Even if they find players who fit all three criteria, they still need to get a commitment from one of them, which doesn't necessarily happen even when the player would have a great opportunity to succeed (like Alex Oriakhi back in 2013, but he chose Mizzou over Xavier).
    I agree with a lot of this.

    For what it's worth Washington is down to Marquette, UC, and Providence.

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