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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee View Post
    Funny that S. Dakota, Kansas, Iowa and Oklahoma, all red states, now get more than 30% of their energy from wind power.
    If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMuskies View Post
    If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.
    And therein lies the problem with leftists. It doesn't matter if we have the technology or not. It doesn't matter if something is economically viable or reliable. Their attitude is, "I demand this form of energy NOW because I really like this other form of energy."

    It's like telling Edison in 1860, "I don't care if you will need until 1879 to invent the light bulb. We need it now. So give it to us now."

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoMuskies View Post
    If we could obtain all of our energy in an economically viable, reliable way from low-carbon, renewable sources, I'm guessing 99.99% of the world would be on board with doing so. Wind power is economically viable and reliable on the plains.
    *Maybe* in one small area.
    They have a zillion windmills in Southern Ontario. My Canadian friends tell me that their "hydro" (Canadian term for electric) bills are outrageous, plus they went up considerably after the attempted switch. If you drive in western Ontario on the 401 between London and Detroit, you'll see them, half the time not spinning at all because of lack of wind. The expense to erect one of those monstrosities is about $4 million installed, plus the "view pollution". They are NOT pretty of quaint.

    There has been this misguided move to try to install gigantic turbine windmills on man made islands IN Lake Erie. Talk about screwing up shipping lanes, more View Pollution, and the risks of more boating accidents. Plus, who is going to pay for the damn things and how would they be integrated into the present power system? Even in the Cuyahoga Socialist State that I live in, the liberal bastion of Ohio, NOBODY is stepping up to pay for the junk, plus projections are that the shortfall from any wind benefit would cause even more grid problem- and it doesn't blow everyday.

    These are Buck Rogers Pipe Dreams that will never be feasible. What a ridiculous scam. Just read this Newsweek article penned by a Utah State Professor Randy Simmons in 2015 who was terrified of Obummer's "alternative energy" policy, and who also points out that the true costs of wind power always omit the Governmental Subsidies which by 2014 under Obummer's admin had reached $30 billion. By the way, most of the beneficiaries of these subsidies are, wait for it...Foreign companies. In 2010 the wind energy sector received 42% of total federal energy subsidies while producing 2% of total electricity- and this money goes to wealthy FOREIGN wind producers.


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    If you’ve ever been to the southern end of the Big Island of Hawaii, there are a bunch of wind turbines in various stages of disrepair. Back in the late 80s and early 90s, they were new and supposed to provide a lot of the power for the island. They weren’t economically viable, so they’ve been left to fall apart.

    I agree that everyone would be on board if wind and solar could provide all of our needs at a reasonable cost. However, most people are not going to accept it if it means their monthly utility bill triples.


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    I was in Atlanta all week where it was 90...whew... too hot for May. Happy with the snow pack this year as are the 6 states that depend on it. COME on snow! As usual you are confusing current weather with warming. Pompeo thinks it's great the Artic ice pac has melted to the point that it has opened up new shipping lanes. What a moron. Anyway, my point was wind power makes sense in places where it makes sense such as the Great Plains. Those red states seem to agree. Not a great solution for Lake Erie or NJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bobbiemcgee View Post
    I was in Atlanta all week where it was 90...whew... too hot for May. Happy with the snow pack this year as are the 6 states that depend on it. COME on snow! As usual you are confusing current weather with warming. Pompeo thinks it's great the Artic ice pac has melted to the point that it has opened up new shipping lanes. What a moron. Anyway, my point was wind power makes sense in places where it makes sense such as the Great Plains. Those red states seem to agree. Not a great solution for Lake Erie or NJ.
    Bobbie. Please. Rather than just quoting stuff through your blue colored glasses, how about reading a very well researched and well written article by an academic who has zero financial skin in the alternative energy game. You might actually learn something.
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