Journalism is Dead

I think most everyone says "no shit" because it is just plain fact.......and has been for way too long.

Can any argument be made that the MSM construct is NOT a propaganda wing of the Democratic party? Are they not pushing the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda that the Dems clearly embrace?

Then you have Fox News and conservative talk radio doing the same crap. Total political bias.

There must be some gradual return to traditional journalism and straight news. This blatant parroting of political narrative is simply a National cancer. Opinion media is the most corrosive IMO.

Agree. Unfortunately the 30 year olds and younger have never seen anything but biased reporting and opinion added journalism. What we have now is the new norm.

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Originally Posted by MADXSTER

Agree. Unfortunately the 30 year olds and younger have never seen anything but biased reporting and opinion added journalism. What we have now is the new norm.

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And that’s scary as fuck.


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It's also scary that no one reads anymore. You ask someone of that age to read something like the Constitution and they'll say they don't need to (because they know everything).

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

because they know everything.

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Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

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Yeah, but most grew out of it. The under 40 crowd is still "adulting"....

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah, but most grew out of it. The under 40 crowd is still "adulting"....

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There a lot of irony here with how often you are confidently wrong about the constitution.

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

There a lot of irony here with how often you are confidently wrong about the constitution.

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Really, how so STL?

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Originally Posted by noteggs

Oh that phenomenon for 17 to 24 year olds has been going on for decades if not centuries! If you don’t have kids that age, just wait. ;)

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The biggest difference is they grew up actually having learned a thing or two in school, and probably at least knew what the constitution was.

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Originally Posted by UCGRAD4X

The biggest difference is they grew up actually having learned a thing or two in school, and probably at least knew what the constitution was.

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Yeah, the Howard Zinnification of America along with Dewey undermined the education system.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Really, how so STL?

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The multiple posts about the Supreme Court in the politics thread

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Originally Posted by STL_XUfan

The multiple posts about the Supreme Court in the politics thread

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Ok, what did I get wrong?

Images are far more powerful politically than anything else IMO.

Why the HELL is FNC not featuring Video from the Boarder on EVERY SHOW they have? Fox News is the only conservative "visual media" source that can effectively go up against the Big 3 and their cable news allies.

I say open every Prime Time show on FNC with LIVE VIDEO from the Boarder. Then have it continue with screen on screen throughout the show. Go even further and have LIVE video of the Big City homeless disaster every night.

Conservative take radio has very significant influence, even with Rush gone, but no visuals severely hampers them, when going up against the massive propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

I truly believe there is a large percentage of older, traditional center left, voters that have had enough of this Progressive/Socialist experiment. IF exposed to a constant VIDEO stream of the above nightmares the Democrat Party has created, there will be a huge block of registered Dem voters cast their ballots for Republicans.

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These stunts by Republican governors are built on the false idea that the migrants are in the country illegally. Technically, those on the buses and planes are asylum-seekers who have been processed by federal immigration authorities and are awaiting court dates.

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It's a tough problem. Most of the people are obviously seeking work or fleeing political unrest. Many have walked for hundreds of miles.
No good answer seems apparent.

What's sort of humorous, is that DeSantis was obviously worried about being out-done by Abbott. So, he takes Florida taxpayer dollars, hires a couple planes, sends them to Texas to pick up 50 asylum seekers, and flies them to Martha's Vineyard. I assume the people in Florida are happy with his little stunt.

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Originally Posted by paulxu

It's a tough problem. Most of the people are obviously seeking work or fleeing political unrest. Many have walked for hundreds of miles.
No good answer seems apparent.

What's sort of humorous, is that DeSantis was obviously worried about being out-done by Abbott. So, he takes Florida taxpayer dollars, hires a couple planes, sends them to Texas to pick up 50 asylum seekers, and flies them to Martha's Vineyard. I assume the people in Florida are happy with his little stunt.

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The Biden admin has been flying them all over the country (just not where TX and FL are sending them) for about a year now. The media just hasn’t covered it. Why this is being done by these Govs is to make Dems live up to their sanctimonious sanctuary city virtue signaling.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

I think most everyone says "no shit" because it is just plain fact.......and has been for way too long.

Can any argument be made that the MSM construct is NOT a propaganda wing of the Democratic party? Are they not pushing the "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda that the Dems clearly embrace?

Then you have Fox News and conservative talk radio doing the same crap. Total political bias.

There must be some gradual return to traditional journalism and straight news. This blatant parroting of political narrative is simply a National cancer. Opinion media is the most corrosive IMO.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

Images are far more powerful politically than anything else IMO.

Why the HELL is FNC not featuring Video from the Boarder on EVERY SHOW they have? Fox News is the only conservative "visual media" source that can effectively go up against the Big 3 and their cable news allies.

I say open every Prime Time show on FNC with LIVE VIDEO from the Boarder. Then have it continue with screen on screen throughout the show. Go even further and have LIVE video of the Big City homeless disaster every night.

Conservative take radio has very significant influence, even with Rush gone, but no visuals severely hampers them, when going up against the massive propaganda wing of the Democratic Party.

I truly believe there is a large percentage of older, traditional center left, voters that have had enough of this Progressive/Socialist experiment. IF exposed to a constant VIDEO stream of the above nightmares the Democrat Party has created, there will be a huge block of registered Dem voters cast their ballots for Republicans.

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The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

BYU's student newspaper showed that journalism isn't dead. Granted, they had to walk over the corpses of the NY Times, WAPO and ESPN to do so.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

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ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Bringing "as it happens" video to the American people would be the epitome of unbiased journalism. The American people deserve to see with their own eyes, ESPECIALLY as it pertains to the unprecedented current shit show at our boarder. Real time images never lie.

Sorry the optics would be devastating to the Party responsible.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

The Biden admin has been flying them all over the country (just not where TX and FL are sending them) for about a year now. The media just hasn’t covered it. Why this is being done by these Govs is to make Dems live up to their sanctimonious sanctuary city virtue signaling.

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This is a perfect example for this thread. You rarely hear this (if at all) when they report on what border states are doing. If they did, that would shoot a big hole in the human trafficking narrative.

BTW, looks like the hospitality has ended in MV. Just bused them off the island. Of course now it’s called “voluntarily”.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

The juxtaposition of these two posts is an absolute masterclass in unintended irony. Decrying the death of unbiased journalism while 8 posts later complaining that conservative media isn't propagandizing the 'Boarder' effectively enough. Sandwiched in between is a bunch of complaining about 'kids these days'. Chef's kiss.

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That is an interesting point. It could be argued that instead of spouting talking points and salacious headlines, Fox should actually go down to the border and show what it really going on.

At what point does information transform into propaganda? Context? Selective visuals? Juxtaposition?

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Originally Posted by UCGRAD4X

That is an interesting point. It could be argued that instead of spouting talking points and salacious headlines, Fox should actually go down to the border and show what it really going on.

At what point does information transform into propaganda? Context? Selective visuals? Juxtaposition?

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Yes, they should just find places where the activity is heaviest and roll live footage with very little commentary. It would be hard to criticize that as "selective visuals". Open each show with "on the border in real time" along with some kind of official number tracker on illegal crossings. They should interview as many border agents as possible. Would that not be an extremely effective way to inform the American people without being perceived as a political stunt?

Your right, Fox News does a terrible job IMO. It's literally like a broken record, especially Hannity.....I can't watch it.

This mass migration of illegals is the number 1 concern for me out of a really NASTY top 5. How can our tumbling economy and strained infrastructure continue to absorb millions more unskilled workers and their children? The number could actually approach 15 million on Biden's watch unless he somehow changes course. This is horrific folks.

Maybe a Cato Institute fellow can help you calm down:

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/ar...tion-debunked/

Or else you could just go all Tucker:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucke...b0ed021dfd2b09

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Originally Posted by paulxu

Maybe a Cato Institute fellow can help you calm down:

https://www.carnegie.org/our-work/ar...tion-debunked/

Or else you could just go all Tucker:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/tucke...b0ed021dfd2b09

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Geezus Paul, calm down?
Are you actually trying to sugar coat what Biden is allowing down there?

This situation requires no in depth analysis. NO political narrative. The approximate 5 million individuals that have crossed over illegally are going to cost the American taxpayers a shitload of money.....period.

Let's say half of these new illegals are school aged children. That is nearly 15K per kid in new education cost alone.

https://educationdata.org/public-edu...0per%20student.

I get the impression that you think a good portion of the adults in this massive illegal migration, are educated professionals or skilled blue collar workers. The stone cold reality is that these people, in any large numbers, fit that description is highly unlikely. An extremely high percentage of these illegals, if they work, will fill positions that our spoiled population refuse. Now Paul, that puts them in perfect position to qualify for food stamps, cash assistance and MEDICAID! Use your Google machine Paul, and see what those social services cost the American taxpayer.

I'll ask again Paul.....what do you think of Biden's border policy and what aspects are you in favor of?

I think Biden is doing a good job of executing the immigration laws as currently written, yes. The border control people have arrested a record number of people, and turned back a record number...notably using Title 42 which has now expired.

I'm going to leave you to wallow in the fever swamp of what the last president started with his announcement of candidacy.
It has only gotten worse with the demonization of people trying to build a better life here.
You throw numbers of 5 million and 15 million around with no support. You rail about costs with no backup, when all the data suggests otherwise.

I supply numbers from immigration control that disprove what you allege, and you just keep repeating talking points from the fevered right wing, from Rush years ago to Tucker today.
You've got to have the "other" to hate and drive emotions.
Just look at clips from Trumps rally in Youngstown where they are playing Q music and raising the Q salute while he rants on and on about the "others."
So, you'll have to continue on your own. If you'd like to read a short speech to calm yourself down about immigration, here are Merrick Garland's words to new immigrants yesterday on the anniversary of the signing of our Constitution.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/speech/a...e-and-delivers

Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.

The source of the current journalism landscape is not that complicated. Only the biggest print journalism outlets have survived. This is inherently skewed toward outlets in densely populated areas which is inherently skewed Democratic. Print journalism still drives all other news mediums leading to an outsize influence of democratic views. Pay for your news.

This describes the border situation nicely Paul.

https://freebeacon.com/?p=1636545

Senior DHS official "Either the Biden Administration is uninformed or they're LYING. We CANNOT process the numbers flooding our borders and the administration's solution is scrambling for ways to let people in FASTER"

A record 8,000 a day Paul? If just half are school aged children, at 15K per, that's $60,000,000 per day in new education costs alone. The aforementioned cost for the necessary social services and housing would just be off the chart. Where's that money coming from Paul?

Saying "Biden is doing a good job of executing our immigration laws" is laughable. Immigration law #1.....YOU CAN'T come in ILLEGALLY! So spare us the asylum crap. The vast majority are simply law breakers rushing to cross Biden's welcome mat.

I didn't think any hard working American taxpayer could view this disaster favorably...... congratulations Paul.

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Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.

The source of the current journalism landscape is not that complicated. Only the biggest print journalism outlets have survived. This is inherently skewed toward outlets in densely populated areas which is inherently skewed Democratic. Print journalism still drives all other news mediums leading to an outsize influence of democratic views. Pay for your news.

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I only view the mass migration of illegals as the top concern because it is happening in real time and apparently we'll deal with it until January 2025. We will have to borrow or print more money to pay for it, which only exacerbates my #2 concern..... Biden's recession.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

I only view the mass migration of illegals as the top concern because it is happening in real time and apparently we'll deal with it until January 2025. We will have to borrow or print more money to pay for it, which only exacerbates my #2 concern..... Biden's recession.

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"Biden Recession" is another tough sell. I'd be happy to jump on "Powell's Recession", but this sucker is global.

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Originally Posted by Caf

"Biden Recession" is another tough sell. I'd be happy to jump on "Powell's Recession", but this sucker is global.

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No hard sell at all. We are officially in a recession and Biden is the POTUS. The Global economy tends to follow our situation since everything revolves around the American Dollar.....for now. Countries have started to refuse buying our T Bonds in very disturbing numbers.

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

The Global economy tends to follow our situation since everything revolves around the American Dollar.....for now. Countries have started to refuse buying our T Bonds in very disturbing numbers.

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What foreign currency and government bonds should I buy then? Dollar is at a 20 year high, should be a great opportunity to sell it if that's true. What safe haven are these countries flocking to?

The US dollar is on the verge of being no longer recognized as the standard global currency. Countries that bought our T Bonds with confidence in the past, are not that comfortable now. Biden has us in a recession and we are 30+ TRILLION in debt.

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Originally Posted by Caf

Immigration as a top issue is a hard sale for me. Obviously an issue, it has been for decades, but I struggle to see how it has any impact on my life. I of course don’t live in a border state which helps.

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Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

My biggest concern at the moment is probably the ensuring that we continue to have free and fair elections, and don't slide into a system in which people refuse to accept and seek to overturn the results of elections they don't agree with. Our system of government is a big part of why America has been so successful. It's not perfect, but I still think it's the best around and we should protect it at all costs. Country ahead of party. Always.

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What foreign currency and government bonds should I buy then? Dollar is at a 20 year high, should be a great opportunity to sell it if that's true. What safe haven are these countries flocking to?

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Thank you. In the simplest terms the fed had to raise rates to quell runaway inflation that was primarily the result of shortages driven by production disruptions overseas (mostly China and COVID shutdown related), and shortages in Europe driven by Russia's War on Ukraine. That is driving a recession.

I'd like to see us less dependent of foreign production as an economic priority. What we are seeing right now are the supply chain consequences of too many key good being produced abroad. It took decades to get here, and will probably take decades to get back, but I think we need to start now, and remain committed over multiple administrations (which will be the real challenge).

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Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

My biggest concern at the moment is probably the ensuring that we continue to have free and fair elections, and don't slide into a system in which people refuse to accept and seek to overturn the results of elections they don't agree with. Our system of government is a big part of why America has been so successful. It's not perfect, but I still think it's the best around and we should protect it at all costs. Country ahead of party. Always.

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If there are truly so many "migrants" coming across the border every day, I think there will be enough for the agriculture industry for quite some time.

also

“Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others. ― Winston S. Churchill

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Originally Posted by Xuperman

The US dollar is on the verge of being no longer recognized as the standard global currency. Countries that bought our T Bonds with confidence in the past, are not that comfortable now. Biden has us in a recession and we are 30+ TRILLION in debt.

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You won't be the first person on this board to wrongly ignore every other reality because you can't get passed politics. The Fed and its handling of inflation and rates is undeniably the trigger for this recession. If you want to talk deficit spending which lead to inflation as the cause (this is your out bud), then you have to talk about every President since Clinton, even your dearly beloved. Then the conversation will go to the impossible task of landing a recovery from an economic recession/shock ('08, '20) without overheating the economy but also not losing capacity.

59% of global reserves are in USD. The next closest, the Euro, is 20% oh by the way those Euro reserves are down 11% versus the dollar since the start of the year. I'm not sure how familiar you are with FX trading but that means people are flocking to the dollar and leaving the Euro, the closest (195% gain away) currency to unseating the dollar. And yes we are in a butt ton in debt, meaning we are issuing an enormous amount of cash, and yet the value of that cash continues to rise. Not sure if you're into this kind of thing, but makes you think.

Why else might a foreign investor not be buying US Treasuries to the same degree. Spoiler alert, it's not repayment risk which does not exist in treasuries.

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Originally Posted by Caf

You won't be the first person on this board to wrongly ignore every other reality because you can't get passed politics. The Fed and its handling of inflation and rates is undeniably the trigger for this recession. If you want to talk deficit spending which lead to inflation as the cause (this is your out bud), then you have to talk about every President since Clinton, even your dearly beloved. Then the conversation will go to the impossible task of landing a recovery from an economic recession/shock ('08, '20) without overheating the economy but also not losing capacity.

59% of global reserves are in USD. The next closest, the Euro, is 20% oh by the way those Euro reserves are down 11% versus the dollar since the start of the year. I'm not sure how familiar you are with FX trading but that means people are flocking to the dollar and leaving the Euro, the closest (195% gain away) currency to unseating the dollar. And yes we are in a butt ton in debt, meaning we are issuing an enormous amount of cash, and yet the value of that cash continues to rise. Not sure if you're into this kind of thing, but makes you think.

Why else might a foreign investor not be buying US Treasuries to the same degree. Spoiler alert, it's not repayment risk which does not exist in treasuries.

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Kind of. The immense amount of spending caused the Fed to react. Source of recession is wreckless spending (and the reduction of domestic energy production).

Great, so the $ is the best looking pig of the slop.

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Kind of. The immense amount of spending caused the Fed to react. Source of recession is wreckless spending (and the reduction of domestic energy production).

Great, so the $ is the best looking pig of the slop.

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I'm pretty against profligate government spending, but do you really think that government spending (vs supply chain disruptions and shortages of goods) was what forced the fed to react?

In my line of work I deal with current and forward looking projections for a lot of commodity costs, and everything is (or at least was) up astronomically: steel, aluminum, iemi-conductors, nearly all food ingredients, etc. It's hard for me to tie that to government spending rather than a highly (perhaps dangerously) interconnected global supply chain that was severely disrupted. Goods became scarce and the people that had money were willing to pay more to get what they want.

I think that what we are seeing are some of the consequences of an over-reliance on China to produce critical goods, not just for the United States but globally as well. It's the flip side to $200 flat screen TVs. When China shuts down a major port because of 200 COVID cases, the bullwhip effect is massive.

You're right CAF,
My in depth knowledge of global finance is pretty weak. However, I can read and there is no shortage of articles like these.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/opi...ck-2439846.amp

https://www.ft.com/content/408d4065-...5-c6a8743b0d01

If you don't think a financial China/Russia alliance spells bad news for the dollar, you're not paying attention. They are actively seeking ways to keep us from "weaponizing" the USD. Just wait and see what happens when China invades Taiwan.

BTW, I never paid much attention to politics until Obama and his "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda.....it really raised an eyebrow. Now that the Democratic Party is feverishly implementing it, with the MSM in full support, I stay pretty pissed off......with good reason.

You realize that the two articles linked are (1) a Financial Times article about one person's opinion, and (2) an article from the 'New Indian Express' that consists of 3 paragraphs of broken English with no real clear message.

People have been fear mongering the 'demise of the dollar' for almost 50 years (a point acknowledged in the FT article). I don't see it happening any time soon. If anything, I think that China and Russia are weaker now than they have been for a while. COVID lockdowns in China and Russia's invasion of Ukraine of highlighted the dangers of being too reliant on potentially volatile regimes.

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Not to mention that segments of the agricultural economy are actually reliant on migrant workers to harvest crops at wages below what American worker will accept. There is obviously a 'moral hazard' argument here as well, but I'm speaking purely from an economic perspective. I'm not saying we shouldn't enforce immigration laws, just that it's hard for me to consider it a top priority.

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I grew up around commercial farming, particularly Tobacco. Typically Mexican workers would come for the season and return home after harvest.

This current, all time high, migration of illegals are not them. These people have no intention of leaving, in fact this administration is encouraging them to stay.

"Economic perspective"? My only point, and the source of my concern, is the American taxpayers can not afford 8,000 a day. The cost of supplying food, housing, education, medical for Millions is too heavy a burden. Can someone explain where this massive amount of funds are going to come from? This is nothing short of a economic disaster (not to mention the Fentanyl).....I can't believe it's even debatable.

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Originally Posted by boozehound

You realize that the two articles linked are (1) a Financial Times article about one person's opinion, and (2) an article from the 'New Indian Express' that consists of 3 paragraphs of broken English with no real clear message.

People have been fear mongering the 'demise of the dollar' for almost 50 years (a point acknowledged in the FT article). I don't see it happening any time soon. If anything, I think that China and Russia are weaker now than they have been for a while. COVID lockdowns in China and Russia's invasion of Ukraine of highlighted the dangers of being too reliant on potentially volatile regimes.

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I just posted examples.....there are scores more like them. The reality is when countries like China, Saudi Arabia, Iran start trading with currency other than the USD, it can not be viewed as a positive.