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Originally Posted by Xville

If you "feel it best" not to just well because, with no medical intervention, you are putting your fellow citizens unnecessarily at risk, like my children, who wont be able to get the vaccine at this time. That's just being a selfish douchebag fucktard.

Shockingly, the same person who has made a big deal about wearing a fucking mask and trying to prove how it isnt efficient, has had covid and isnt going to get vaccinated because he basically doesnt feel like it. You and your buddy lou are on the wrong side of this...good work.

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Originally Posted by D-West & PO-Z

Seems odd to tout the greatness of Trump in regards to him getting a vaccine done that you won't even take.

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This is the significant difference between Conservatives and Democrats. Conservatives actually have freedom of thought. We don't all think alike. We question authority. We debate each other. We even have disagreements amongst ourselves. We use critical thinking skills and analyze data to determine if it makes sense or not.

Democrats, on the other hand, have completely abandoned critical thinking, reason and common sense. The Covid pandemic has placed a spotlight on this.

Ironically, it was the Democrats who pooh-poohed Trump during the early stages of the pandemic (see my timeline in the Covid thread). At some point they realized that they could use the pandemic as a cudgel against Trump, and from there the Pandemic became a Scamdemic. From that point there was no questioning or deviation whatsoever from anything that Fauci said, or any other governmental authority - whether with it was with regards to therapeutics, testing methods, reporting, case counts, death counts, masks, or vaccines. Whatever the authorities say it is, well then by-god that is 100% fact and there's no debate about it. If a doctor, medical group or study contradicts Fauci or Democrat authorities in anyway, it's immediately dismissed as garbage. There will be no debate. Even social media will shut you down if you go against the orthodoxy.

Note that my critics have never refuted the data (much of it sourced from the CDC) that I have presented that have formed my conclusions and opinions, but only demand that I "shut up and obey". Pretty curious....

This might be news to some of you, but questioning data and conclusions is part of the scientific method.

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Originally Posted by Xville

Uh such as what? Pretty sure there are none that have been found from a reputable source. I mean yeah I'd rather my daughter have a higher chance of getting cancer too. Anti vaxxers astound me.

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My sister is a nurse, pro-vaccination and a brazen Democrat. She said she will not take the CV-19 vaccine, and will resign from nursing if forced to. I’m not trying to influence- she hasn’t influenced me - but it is a data point.

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

My sister is a nurse, pro-vaccination and a brazen Democrat. She said she will not take the CV-19 vaccine, and will resign from nursing if forced to. I’m not trying to influence- she hasn’t influenced me - but it is a data point.

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I'm getting the vaccine at 9am on Thursday. First appointment of the day at my regional hospital. I would have gotten it sooner if I could. The data and structure of the studies regarding safety and efficacy is strong. I would encourage anyone who can get the vaccine to do so, without hesitation.

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Originally Posted by XU_Lou

This is the significant difference between Conservatives and Democrats. Conservatives actually have freedom of thought. We don't all think alike. We question authority. We debate each other. We even have disagreements amongst ourselves. We use critical thinking skills and analyze data to determine if it makes sense or not.

Democrats, on the other hand, have completely abandoned critical thinking, reason and common sense. The Covid pandemic has placed a spotlight on this.

Ironically, it was the Democrats who pooh-poohed Trump during the early stages of the pandemic (see my timeline in the Covid thread). At some point they realized that they could use the pandemic as a cudgel against Trump, and from there the Pandemic became a Scamdemic. From that point there was no questioning or deviation whatsoever from anything that Fauci said, or any other governmental authority - whether with it was with regards to therapeutics, testing methods, reporting, case counts, death counts, masks, or vaccines. Whatever the authorities say it is, well then by-god that is 100% fact and there's no debate about it. If a doctor, medical group or study contradicts Fauci or Democrat authorities in anyway, it's immediately dismissed as garbage. There will be no debate. Even social media will shut you down if you go against the orthodoxy.

Note that my critics have never refuted the data (much of it sourced from the CDC) that I have presented that have formed my conclusions and opinions, but only demand that I "shut up and obey". Pretty curious....

This might be news to some of you, but questioning data and conclusions is part of the scientific method.

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Lol such a fool. Just because I think you're an idiot, doesnt mean I'm a democrat, and regardless, grouping people into silos based on political affiliation is really effed up.

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Originally Posted by xuwillie

You’re a Moron. My wife is a doctor and decides not to give several.

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Sure she does. What are those long term side effects again? Lol

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Originally Posted by Muskie in dayton

My sister is a nurse, pro-vaccination and a brazen Democrat. She said she will not take the CV-19 vaccine, and will resign from nursing if forced to. I’m not trying to influence- she hasn’t influenced me - but it is a data point.

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Shes a democrat? Um, ok..good to know. Not sure what that has to do with anything.

I am not anti vaccine but I am a little concerned to give it to my kids who are not fully developed yet. We don’t know enough about these yet to see if they are safe long term for kids still developing. What is in the vaccines and how will effect hormones, fertility, and such? Maybe be completely safe but we really have no idea long term. Have they tested any adolescents and teenagers? I would like to see some long term data before I have my kids get it.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

I am not anti vaccine but I am a little concerned to give it to my kids who are not fully developed yet. We don’t know enough about these yet to see if they are safe long term for kids still developing. What is in the vaccines and how will effect hormones, fertility, and such? Maybe be completely safe but we really have no idea long term. Have they tested any adolescents and teenagers? I would like to see some long term data before I have my kids get it.

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Are you referring to the covid vaccine? If so, my understanding is that those under 18 wont be getting it for right now.

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Originally Posted by kmcrawfo

I'm getting the vaccine at 9am on Thursday. First appointment of the day at my regional hospital. I would have gotten it sooner if I could. The data and structure of the studies regarding safety and efficacy is strong. I would encourage anyone who can get the vaccine to do so, without hesitation.

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Originally Posted by xavierj

I am not anti vaccine but I am a little concerned to give it to my kids who are not fully developed yet. We don’t know enough about these yet to see if they are safe long term for kids still developing. What is in the vaccines and how will effect hormones, fertility, and such? Maybe be completely safe but we really have no idea long term. Have they tested any adolescents and teenagers? I would like to see some long term data before I have my kids get it.

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Kids aren’t getting the covid vaccine at this time.

Also please don’t fall for any of the anti-vaxx propaganda out there that is trying to make some sort of link or claims that the trials showed some concerns or link to infertility. That is completely bogus and made up.

I am also always curious what long term side effects people are expecting to show up? The trials have been going on since March is my understanding. And I am not a vaccine expert but my understanding is any adverse effects that happen with vaccines usually happen within the first 6 weeks of administering it. I’m not aware of other vaccines that have long term side effects that pop up years later. Which ones and what are the side effects?