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Originally Posted by boozehound

....I really think it's a window into how quickly Authoritarian Nationalist/Populist regimes can spread. There seems to be a relatively large portion of our population that actually wants to be ruled but a strongman, as long as he is their strongman.

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I always find it amusing when those on the Left play the “Authoritarian” card regarding Trump. What’s the party that wants anyone who disagrees with their position canceled? What’s the party that reacts with violence when they see anyone wearing a Trump hat or people at the Right just out for dinner? The authoritarian party is clearly on the Left side of the aisle.


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Originally Posted by bjf123

I always find it amusing when those on the Left play the “Authoritarian” card regarding Trump. What’s the party that wants anyone who disagrees with their position canceled? What’s the party that reacts with violence when they see anyone wearing a Trump hat or people at the Right just out for dinner? The authoritarian party is clearly on the Left side of the aisle.


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A valid point!!

Did you not notice how the Democrats underperformed in the election?? And how the main Republican who lost the election now seems to want to go to that playbook??

Shouldn't that assessment be enough to make the Republicans realize that this guy is acting very foolishly at best, and destructively at worst, and that it's now time for him to go??

I agree that Trump should concede. At the same time, there are enough questions about the integrity of the election that things should be investigated. Bags of previously uncounted ballots discovered after the election. Sworn affidavits of people who saw the same ballots being run through the counting machines multiple times. Large number of ballots with only a vote for Biden and no other races.

We all know that if these same things were being claimed, but were to the disadvantage of the Democrats, the Left and the media would be screaming about voter suppression and filing lawsuits all over the country.

Clearly there are things that should be examined. Will any of it change this election? Highly unlikely. Of course, all of the Secretaries of State are saying they have faith in the integrity of their processes. What do you expect them to say!?!?!? “Oh, damn. You caught us. Our system makes it very easy to count invalid ballots. We were hoping no one would notice.”


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Originally Posted by xubrew

Dear Republicans,

As interesting as this has all been, it's now time to speak out against the sociopathic mental patient and tell him to stop trying to defy the results of an election that he clearly lost.

I'm not saying you should do this out of decency. We are sadly to a point now where simply arguing for what's decent just isn't going to fly. I'm saying you should look at this from a selfish and rational point of view.

Republicans did very well in this election. They held onto the senate (probably), they gained seats in the house, they held on to several state legislatures that many were expecting to flip. And had anyone else other than Trump been on the ballot, you probably win the presidential election as well. If you have a weak spot here, it's him!

Also, let's suppose for a second that the sociopathic mental patient actually gets the results of this election overturned. I know he almost assuredly won't, but let's just SUPPOSE that he does. You would be just 24 short months away from him putting all his energy into trying to get a third term, and you know what that would mean?? He would turn his ire against YOUR party! How dare the Republicans try and put someone else in office other than him even though he's already been there for two terms!!?? That would be disloyal! He'd attack every elected official who spoke out against him as being disloyal. He'd start firing people in mass like he is now (and like he has for the past four years, really). It would be a shit show!

Republicans, look at the big picture! Based on how things have gone you are just four years away from having total control back! The Democrats can't do anything right! We all know that! They probably aren't going to win any more elections of consequence anytime soon. UNLESS...you don't get rid of the sociopathic mental patient! This is your chance to get the 'batshit crazy' out of your party, and if you can just hold on for 24 more short months you'll have the house back, and then the presidency 24 short months after that.

BUT YOU GOTTA TELL THE SOCIOPATHIC MENTAL PATIENT TO STOP TRYING TO DEFY OUR DEMOCRACY AND THAT IT'S TIME TO GO!!!

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It would take about two seconds for Democrats to instantly dispute all the elections they lost in retaliation should that happen.

Trump must have Epstein-like goods on Republican leaders for them not to have kicked him to the curb and invoked the 25th Amendment by now.

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Originally Posted by bjf123

I always find it amusing when those on the Left play the “Authoritarian” card regarding Trump. What’s the party that wants anyone who disagrees with their position canceled? What’s the party that reacts with violence when they see anyone wearing a Trump hat or people at the Right just out for dinner? The authoritarian party is clearly on the Left side of the aisle.


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I find it amusing that you seem to equate a critique of Trump with having to come from someone 'on the left'. I mean, I guess it has to if it's criticizing Trump right? There's just no other option.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

A valid point!!

Did you not notice how the Democrats underperformed in the election?? And how the main Republican who lost the election now seems to want to go to that playbook??

Shouldn't that assessment be enough to make the Republicans realize that this guy is acting very foolishly at best, and destructively at worst, and that it's now time for him to go??

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Spot on. Generally if you decry someone doing something, you should't turn around and do the same thing because the bad guys 'did it first'.

I also think that if you really look at the rhetoric from Trump to his supporters, and you don't see a difference between that and anything we have ever heard from a mainstream political candidate on either side, you either aren't looking very hard or you are being intentionally obtuse because it services your chose political viewpoint. I'm sure people will say he's 'just joking', but it really doesn't seem that way, and even if he is he shouldn't be joking about jailing his political opponents, refusing to relinquish power, giving himself a 'third term', etc. He also has tried to act on a good portion of that - including his recent efforts to discredit the election.

That shit is a big deal, and it is real authoritarianism, not authoritarianism like getting someone fired for tweeting some homophobic shit or something like that.

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Originally Posted by bjf123

I agree that Trump should concede. At the same time, there are enough questions about the integrity of the election that things should be investigated. Bags of previously uncounted ballots discovered after the election. Sworn affidavits of people who saw the same ballots being run through the counting machines multiple times. Large number of ballots with only a vote for Biden and no other races.

We all know that if these same things were being claimed, but were to the disadvantage of the Democrats, the Left and the media would be screaming about voter suppression and filing lawsuits all over the country.

Clearly there are things that should be examined. Will any of it change this election? Highly unlikely. Of course, all of the Secretaries of State are saying they have faith in the integrity of their processes. What do you expect them to say!?!?!? “Oh, damn. You caught us. Our system makes it very easy to count invalid ballots. We were hoping no one would notice.”


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Here's the thing, though. NONE of that is being brought forward to the courts. Is there any reason why Trump's own lawyers would not bring any of that forward or push for the courts to order it to be looked into other than that they know that it's totally fabricated??

You can't say "We have all this evidence!!" and then when asked to present it or given the opportunity to present it, NOT present it!

If you don't think Trump is totally full of shit, and ACTUALLY believe that this election was stolen and that Trump's lawyers have the evidence to prove it, then why aren't you yelling at them for not doing so and instead only bringing forward hilariously flimsy "evidence" that is getting tossed out of court?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSPUP4siQx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKc4IzLE2T4

Let’s allow Trump the same amount of time given to Gore and immediately impeach Biden for his dealings with China. Seems fair.

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Originally Posted by xubrew

Here's the thing, though. NONE of that is being brought forward to the courts. Is there any reason why Trump's own lawyers would not bring any of that forward or push for the courts to order it to be looked into other than that they know that it's totally fabricated??

You can't say "We have all this evidence!!" and then when asked to present it or given the opportunity to present it, NOT present it!

If you don't think Trump is totally full of shit, and ACTUALLY believe that this election was stolen and that Trump's lawyers have the evidence to prove it, then why aren't you yelling at them for not doing so and instead only bringing forward hilariously flimsy "evidence" that is getting tossed out of court?

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There seem to be two options right now:

1. Support and defend everything that Trump does or says
2. You're a Democrat!

There might even be a flow chart.

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Let’s allow Trump the same amount of time given to Gore and immediately impeach Biden for his dealings with China. Seems fair.

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Drawing parallels to Bush-Gore is ridiculous for a number of reasons, including (not not limited to) the following:

1. First and foremost - that was a simple re-count centered around 1 state that was MUCH closer than any of the states being contested in this election. There is no single state that is being contested that would change the result.

2. If Trump was simply quietly pursuing a re-count while allowing for a transition in the (likely) event that he loses, it would be a different story. That's obviously not what happened.

That comparison is a logical fallacy.